Christ was crucified because His message offended the Jewish authorities enough to have them align with the Roman government to ensure His crucifixion. The charge was treason against the Roman Empire. Likewise, I believe that the true endtime message of God will offend mainstream Churchianity to the point that they too will seek a political solution to silence and oppress dissidents. The dissidents will be called terrorists.
Will God's Endtime Message Denounce Mainstream Churchianity?
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O
Be blessed Shubee, heavy thoughts for a place were we should edify the church and the other blood-bought, why do we worry about things that we have no control over other than through prayer? Please forgive, I am not scolding you, just wondering why we worry about what in effect we will not witness? Who knows?
But to address your question, please look at God's Word, for it is written in the 2nd and 3rd chapters of the Revelation about the churches through all the ages, period of grace it is sometimes referred to. And I don't see any mention of terrorists, and as matter of fact, since it is suggested, the terrorists, would not be blood-bought would they? And therefore of no interest to us, Be blessed and why not?
And Christ was crucified because It was the Plan!?
But to address your question, please look at God's Word, for it is written in the 2nd and 3rd chapters of the Revelation about the churches through all the ages, period of grace it is sometimes referred to. And I don't see any mention of terrorists, and as matter of fact, since it is suggested, the terrorists, would not be blood-bought would they? And therefore of no interest to us, Be blessed and why not?
And Christ was crucified because It was the Plan!?
R
that 'true end time message of God' page started out with legitimate sounding exegesis and social commentary and then suddenly went on a wild detour from reality about halfway down the page...the progression of thought in the article was a lot like watching someone gradually lose their mind...
will mainstream christianity reject unrestrained insanity? i certainly hope so...
will mainstream christianity reject unrestrained insanity? i certainly hope so...
I don't see that in our churches at all They teach that through the cross, God accepts anyone and you need not do anything but say the words "I believe in Jesus" and those words are a sort of magic carpet to the entire Christian life, except you also must accept all other people with love.
The entire idea of a Torah based religion with a temple and high priest, as Christ says He is, has been eliminated, everything is new and the new wiped out all the old that was never any good.
The entire idea of a Torah based religion with a temple and high priest, as Christ says He is, has been eliminated, everything is new and the new wiped out all the old that was never any good.
P
That time is closer than you realize. obama refuses to call terrorists, terrorists, and instead does indeed call us terrorists.
This was in 2009
Homeland Security Declares Christians are Terrorists!!!!
This was in 2009
Homeland Security Declares Christians are Terrorists!!!!
I walk the walk, Christ is my savior, Christ is my high priest, Christ and the Father are one. Do you think you will be great in heaven by denying Moses ever spoke to the Father, or anything Christ said about Moses? You can't make it in this world by denying the Father, that is also denying Christ.
You also can't know the actual Christ when you refuse to know anything about the Father, or what Christ was based on. What you know of Christ is based on only a small portion of scripture, it is not real. How Christ really is takes a lot more than the tiny amount of scripture you know.
You also can't know the actual Christ when you refuse to know anything about the Father, or what Christ was based on. What you know of Christ is based on only a small portion of scripture, it is not real. How Christ really is takes a lot more than the tiny amount of scripture you know.
S
That sounds a lot like the teachings of Aliester Crowley. He was the most prolific satanist of the 20th century and wrote a book called the book of the law. He said the whole of the law was " do what thou wilt" and these days I see it everywhere and as you pointed out it's even in a so called christian doctrine of osas which is do what thou wilt and you will still be saved. It's satanism.
O
according to the writings of the prophets -
the prophets messages were usually not welcome.
like it says, they killed the prophets'.
just think about, if someone claimed to be a prophet
and said that The Lord told them to tell you,
to surrender yourselves to North Korea-Russia-Iran,
what would do? How would you react?
this was basically Jeremiah's message -
to surrender to Babylon, become their slaves.
in order to know what our Lord expects from us,
'it sure won't always be what we want to hear, or
do, or expect.
brothers and sisters, put on the mind of Christ
and be ready!
the prophets messages were usually not welcome.
like it says, they killed the prophets'.
just think about, if someone claimed to be a prophet
and said that The Lord told them to tell you,
to surrender yourselves to North Korea-Russia-Iran,
what would do? How would you react?
this was basically Jeremiah's message -
to surrender to Babylon, become their slaves.
in order to know what our Lord expects from us,
'it sure won't always be what we want to hear, or
do, or expect.
brothers and sisters, put on the mind of Christ
and be ready!
1
If there is an "end times message" that's newer than the message Jesus gave his church about 2000 years ago, then that new message better be rejected.
The core message from Jesus to his church remains the same. There is no new end times message to be listening for.
He told us to preach repentance and the forgiveness of sins, baptize, make disciples, teach people to follow everything Jesus commanded.
If that's his end time message for us, then folks better not rebel against it. If there is something NEWER, then folks better rebel against that.
The core message from Jesus to his church remains the same. There is no new end times message to be listening for.
He told us to preach repentance and the forgiveness of sins, baptize, make disciples, teach people to follow everything Jesus commanded.
If that's his end time message for us, then folks better not rebel against it. If there is something NEWER, then folks better rebel against that.
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I was referring to the message that the Father gave to Christ to give to the church:
"The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants—things which must shortly take place. And He sent and signified it by His angel to His servant John, who bore witness to the word of God, and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, to all things that he saw." Revelation 1:1-2.
"The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants—things which must shortly take place. And He sent and signified it by His angel to His servant John, who bore witness to the word of God, and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, to all things that he saw." Revelation 1:1-2.
Jesus was crucified because of the determinate will of God. He came to be the propitiation for our sins. Jesus was chosen to be the Perfect sacrifice for our sins. His message was just that. He came as the suffering Messiah and was rejected because men sought a conquering Messiah not a suffering Messiah.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
For the cause of Christ
Roger
The true prophets and apostles have already spoken in the 66 Books we call the bible, there are now and will continue to be false prophets to come...
Matthew 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
Luke 21:8 And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them.
Matthew 24:24-25 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Behold, I have told you before.
2 Peter 2:1-2 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
Acts 20:29-30 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.
1 John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
Matthew 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
Luke 21:8 And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them.
Matthew 24:24-25 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Behold, I have told you before.
2 Peter 2:1-2 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
Acts 20:29-30 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.
1 John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
Correct. And Christ’s sufferings greatly surpassed the agony of the crucifixion. The weight of the sins of the whole world was upon Christ. Christ suffered the wrath of God. However, I tend to believe that Christ would have preferred that the willful ignorance and treachery of His own people not contribute to His sufferings.
We know that our church today is not measuring up to what God asks of us. It tells us so in the first chapters of Revelation when it explains the seven churches. The examples of what is wrong started at the beginning of our Christian churches, for each of those churches actually existed soon after Christ was crucified.
After I studied these churches, I spent months on the history of the development of our church in the first 500 years after Christ, and compared each doctrine brought to the church with what scripture says. Then, it is simple to see how we went from scripture to men's ideas. We need to accept that God used the Hebrew race to explain Himself to us. Then, we need to carefully go through every line of Acts to see the exact way gentiles are to be taught. We are to use the Holy Spirit now to lead us to such as circumcision, they used rituals to lead them to circumcision, as an example.
Remember that council meeting that the brother of Christ (James) oversaw? It is in Acts. It was a completely new idea in the world that people could come to God and not have to be naturalized into the Jewish race to do it and the fight about it was fierce. Remember the outcome? Gentiles could be taught the plain gospel without being told they had to be physically circumcised or adjust their diet, those things were to be taught in spirit and truth only. At the same time, they were to learn all the Torah as it was taught in the synagogues.
Because of the laws in the synagogues, they had to do certain things to be accepted there, so they were to do those things so they could go learn.
That is still the way we are to enter in to the kingdom, that is the way the church will not go. We will hear the gospel, we go that far, but like a balky mule we won't go a step further. Scripture says to put on Christ, to die to self. Scripture says that God wants us to be one family for Him. We insist there are Jews and gentiles, not united. Jews may not keep their culture and have Christ, they say. They say Judaism has nothing to do with not honoring the temple and the high priest, but Judaism is legalism. Our church now says Christ is not the High Priest as in the OT, only superior, Christ is separate from all things of the Hebrews. They say everything the Hebrews did was a shadow and that shadow was completely cut off from what it was a shadow of, it would be terrible to see the shadow. And on and on. They are wrong!!
To help us see all of this, God let the Jews be blinded to knowing the Messiah had come and God destroyed the physical temple. We cannot use rituals and physical things to replace the reality of them, the spirit and truth. We go too far with this! We toss out Moses and everything taught before Christ about Christ. Scripture says don't do this, and we are as blind to that as Jews are to the Messiah.
It is not the way of Christ, it says so in the gospels even. The seven churches explain it to us.
After I studied these churches, I spent months on the history of the development of our church in the first 500 years after Christ, and compared each doctrine brought to the church with what scripture says. Then, it is simple to see how we went from scripture to men's ideas. We need to accept that God used the Hebrew race to explain Himself to us. Then, we need to carefully go through every line of Acts to see the exact way gentiles are to be taught. We are to use the Holy Spirit now to lead us to such as circumcision, they used rituals to lead them to circumcision, as an example.
Remember that council meeting that the brother of Christ (James) oversaw? It is in Acts. It was a completely new idea in the world that people could come to God and not have to be naturalized into the Jewish race to do it and the fight about it was fierce. Remember the outcome? Gentiles could be taught the plain gospel without being told they had to be physically circumcised or adjust their diet, those things were to be taught in spirit and truth only. At the same time, they were to learn all the Torah as it was taught in the synagogues.
Because of the laws in the synagogues, they had to do certain things to be accepted there, so they were to do those things so they could go learn.
That is still the way we are to enter in to the kingdom, that is the way the church will not go. We will hear the gospel, we go that far, but like a balky mule we won't go a step further. Scripture says to put on Christ, to die to self. Scripture says that God wants us to be one family for Him. We insist there are Jews and gentiles, not united. Jews may not keep their culture and have Christ, they say. They say Judaism has nothing to do with not honoring the temple and the high priest, but Judaism is legalism. Our church now says Christ is not the High Priest as in the OT, only superior, Christ is separate from all things of the Hebrews. They say everything the Hebrews did was a shadow and that shadow was completely cut off from what it was a shadow of, it would be terrible to see the shadow. And on and on. They are wrong!!
To help us see all of this, God let the Jews be blinded to knowing the Messiah had come and God destroyed the physical temple. We cannot use rituals and physical things to replace the reality of them, the spirit and truth. We go too far with this! We toss out Moses and everything taught before Christ about Christ. Scripture says don't do this, and we are as blind to that as Jews are to the Messiah.
It is not the way of Christ, it says so in the gospels even. The seven churches explain it to us.
Why? Christ knew that He would be rejected by His own.
Man can not conceive the magnitude of the burden Christ bore on the cross. Christ was so pure and holy yet He took upon Himself all the sins of the world. Christ became sin for us that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Man can not conceive the magnitude of the burden Christ bore on the cross. Christ was so pure and holy yet He took upon Himself all the sins of the world. Christ became sin for us that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him.
For the cause of Christ
Roger