False Doctrine Is Like An Herbicide

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This is a true story.

We live in a subdivision, and grow gardens in our back yard. Along the chain link fence we have grown pole beans for years and they have done very well. Last year, and the first part of this year, our neighbor on the northwest side of us had a lawn service spray and fertilize his lawn. It looks very nice. Even some of the over-spray came onto our yard and the grass looks very nice next to the property line. After planting the beans (they take about 8 to 9 weeks to start producing beans) we noticed that there were no beans being produced. From day to day, we would look at the plants and wonder why. We began to notice that as soon as the blossoms appeared they would shrink up and vanish, even though (at first) the bean plant looked very healthy. After a time, one by one, the plants would die off for no reason, as it seemed. We talked with the neighbor, and he agreed not to use the lawn service next year, because the herbicides they used killed off things like dandelions etc. If there are no blossoms on most plants, there is no cross-pollination, and then there is no seed produced for the next year. Within a bean itself, the seeds are produced.

We go to church and call it service when God is serving us. We go to church to experience the Holy Spirit, when we should be bringing Christ and the Spirit of God with us before we even walk through the front door. The music is great. The air is permeated with good smelling perfume. The apparel is explicit. The tone of voice is welcoming, and the preaching is pleasant to hear concerning the promises of God through the Salvation offered through Christ Jesus. We hear the beckoning to be born again, but the congregation is not taught how to blossom and grow the fruit God would have them to produce. And next year it is the same thing. Numbers may grow, and the church appears as flourishing, and truly blessed by God, but that is done with programs and attractive influences outside of the people that are the church.

Satan sprays his herbicides in the wind, for he is the prince and power of the air. It looks good to the carnal eye, but doesn't bear any fruit.

Ephesians 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
 

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Programs are needed to fill the void that God is not allowed to fill. Study the first century gathering and you'll discover that what we call church today isn't even close.
 

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boy...........sure glad I don't go to whatever church it is you go to............. :)
 
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False doctrine is speaking a language that no one can understand, not even the speaker.
False doctrine is not having a choice to respond to the call of God through Christ.
False doctrine is being exhorted into believing that what God has said in the past that is recorded in the Bible is irrelevant to the Gentiles because of Christ.
False doctrine is being exhorted to accept the sins of others and calling it loving your neighbor.
False doctrine is being exhorted that the old covenant isn't incorporated into the new in a Spiritual manner.
False doctrine is passing oneself off as a prophet and not using the gift to edify the body of Christ, and only using it to promote oneself.

It goes on and on. Anything to distort the truth, and rob the true peace from God's elect replacing the truth with a false peace.

Mark 13:22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise , and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce , if it were possible, even the elect.

Philippians 4:8-9
8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.
9 Those things, which ye have both learned , and received , and heard , and seen in me, do : and the God of peace shall be with you.
 
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False doctrine is being taught that Jesus Christ is our high Priest, and at the same time the teaching prohibits the understanding of the work that the High Priest did, according to God's will that was spoken to Moses. Both were anointed. That's what Messiah means.... The anointed One.

False doctrine teaches that the wine in the old bottle/wineskin is no good to consume any longer. False doctrine teaches that we must throw both the bottle/wineskin and its contents away.
 
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False doctrine is arguing about things to no avail and calling it edification, then using the Word of God as an excuse to promote denomination without saying that it is really the goal. This promotes self righteousness no different than the Pharisees during the time that Jesus walked this earth as a human..
 
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False doctrine promotes a pre-tribulation "rapture" "in those days" when Jesus said the opposite. That doctrine causes apathy opposite the great commission.

Matthew 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately , saying , Tell us, when shall these things be ? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened , and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken :
 
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The "name it and claim it" doctrine is false. We are led to believe that because we didn't get our prayers answered and preformed as we asked, that we don't have enough faith.

Isiah 55:8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
 
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False doctrine teaches that salvation is a signal act of the past, and is not a way of life in Christ Jesus.

Philippians 2:12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed , not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

Hebrew 4:1 Let us therefore fear , lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it .
 
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False doctrine inverts these 2 scriptures, rendering a person ineffective to call into question a difference between righteousness and corruption.

Matthew 7:1-2
1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

John 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

One is condemnation, and the other is figuring out the truth, enabling us to treat others as Jesus did accordingly.

Judge=2919. krino kree'-no properly, to distinguish, i.e. decide (mentally or judicially); by implication, to try, condemn, punish:--avenge, conclude, condemn, damn, decree, determine, esteem, judge, go to (sue at the) law, ordain, call in question, sentence to, think.

The difference is the carnal mind versus the spiritual mind even though they are the same word in both scriptures.

Usually "calling into question" another's actions are immediately met with a tone of condemnation in reverse, saying we are not to judge, or we are being judgmental when Jesus said not to judge.
 

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False Teaching - Telling Believers They're Under the Law Renders Them Impotent

I actually agree with most of what you wrote in the OP, but you have used your OP to push a Law-keeping agenda (again).

Scripture is clear about the believer's relationship to the Law:

And Romans 7:1-6 is especially interesting, because it is only when one dies to the Law that one can bear fruit unto God in Christ.

The Law is an impotent husband; we who are in Christ die to that old husband:

4 Likewise, my brothers, you also have died to the law through the body of Christ, so that you may belong to another, to him who has been raised from the dead, in order that we may bear fruit for God.

Legalists will tell us that too much Grace leads to license, but the Scriptures say that Grace teaches us to say no to ungodliness (Tit. 2:11) and that the Law stirs up sinning (Rom. 5, 7, and 1 Cor. 15:56).

When the Corinthians were sinning (and some pretty blatant stuff, too!), Paul didn't put Law on them but reminded them who they were in Christ - he reinforced the Gospel of Grace to them. He reminded them that sinning is dumb and destructive and distracts from the will of God in our lives, but he never warns us to 'be careful' with 'too much' Grace!

So according to the Scriptures, Grace teaches us to say no to ungodliness, law stirs up sinning, and Paul built up those who were actively sinning in Corinth about who they were in Christ *as* he exhorted them to stop sinning.

Having a good grasp on our identity in Christ along with a good grasp on Old Covenant vs. New Covenant issues is key in walking in victory over sinning.

Legalists lie to believers about who they are in Christ and try to put them back under Law. Every false belief system does those two things.

Both of those things result in dysfunction and an increase in sinning along with turning the believer's focus in on themselves and their performance rather than on Christ and letting Him produce His Fruit through them.

Putting the believer under the Law (joining them back to their old husband, metaphorically, as Rom. 7 teaches) renders the believer impotent - unable to reproduce and bear fruit unto God. That doesn't mean the believer loses their salvation, it just means they are unable grow to maturity and to help to bring other people into the Kingdom of God.

-JGIG
 

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False Teaching - Telling Believers They're Under the Law Renders Them Impotent

False doctrine is being taught that Jesus Christ is our high Priest, and at the same time the teaching prohibits the understanding of the work that the High Priest did, according to God's will that was spoken to Moses. Both were anointed. That's what Messiah means.... The anointed One.

False doctrine teaches that the wine in the old bottle/wineskin is no good to consume any longer. False doctrine teaches that we must throw both the bottle/wineskin and its contents away.

Seriously. You need to read Hebrews chapters 7-10.

Christ Jesus IS our High Priest.

Not only that, but Christ Jesus is our Perfect High Priest.

Christ Jesus is the Forever High Priest.

Christ Jesus is the Perfect, Forever High Priest by an oath MADE BY GOD.

Christ Jesus' Perfect, Forever High Priesthood is maintained by His Indestructible Life (the old priesthood is never comin' back!).

Christ Jesus, being our Perfect, Forever High Priest by the Power of an Indestructible Life is of the Tribe of Judah, and according to the Law itself, cannot mediate the Old Covenant.

That is why the Scriptures are clear: When there is a change in the priesthood, there is therefore necessarily a change of the Law. Not IN the Law. OF the Law.

Christ Jesus made clear at the Last Supper that His Blood ratified the New Covenant.

New Covenant Scriptures do not say to 'throw away' old wine and old wine skins, but that you cannot put old wine into new wineskins, or you lose BOTH.

Live in the Old Covenant (the ministry of death - 2 Cor. 3) if you wish, but quit trying to live out the New Covenant (which, make NO mistake, IS the Covenant in effect now, with Christ Jesus as its Perfect, Forever High Priest) using the Old Covenant. THAT is putting Old Wine into the New Wineskin.

-JGIG
 
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False doctrine is being exhorted into believing that what God has said in the past that is recorded in the Bible is irrelevant to the Gentiles because of Christ.
sir, if your church maintains this posture, you should leave it. :)

i've never been to a church that claims this. (she said gratefully)
in the past year we've been through Genesis, Jonah, Job, and Isaiah in our church.
also not a few of the Psalms, and parts of Exodus.

the entire Bible is a Christian book, and it all speaks of the Lord Jesus. :)
 
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Just to the OP....

Makes me think of an event that happened to a guy who was friends with the owner of a Machine Shop where I worked....

He had worked for a railroad in Arkansas and had stolen some herbicide that the average (JOE) can't get and accidentally spilled some on his leg on a Saturday and was drunk and did not immediately wash it off......

By Sunday he was in the hospital and would not say what had happened because he was a week from retirement and had they found out he had stolen it he would have lost his retirement.

By Monday it killed him dead as a door knob!

False doctrine will do the same if you do not (wash) it off immediately as it will make you spiritually sick and then KILL you and your false witness!.....as well as all of those who it splashes upon!

I can still see his face and tragic as he was a drunk that had no use for God!
 
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Re: False Teaching - Telling Believers They're Under the Law Renders Them Impotent

Originally Posted by just-me

False doctrine is being taught that Jesus Christ is our high Priest, and at the same time the teaching prohibits the understanding of the work that the High Priest did, according to God's will that was spoken to Moses. Both were anointed. That's what Messiah means.... The anointed One.

False doctrine teaches that the wine in the old bottle/wineskin is no good to consume any longer. False doctrine teaches that we must throw both the bottle/wineskin and its contents away.



Seriously. You need to read Hebrews chapters 7-10.

Christ Jesus IS our High Priest.

Not only that, but Christ Jesus is our Perfect High Priest.

Christ Jesus is the Forever High Priest.

Christ Jesus is the Perfect, Forever High Priest by an oath MADE BY GOD.

Christ Jesus' Perfect, Forever High Priesthood is maintained by His Indestructible Life (the old priesthood is never comin' back!).

Christ Jesus, being our Perfect, Forever High Priest by the Power of an Indestructible Life is of the Tribe of Judah, and according to the Law itself, cannot mediate the Old Covenant.

That is why the Scriptures are clear: When there is a change in the priesthood, there is therefore necessarily a change of the Law. Not IN the Law. OF the Law.

Christ Jesus made clear at the Last Supper that His Blood ratified the New Covenant.

New Covenant Scriptures do not say to 'throw away' old wine and old wine skins, but that you cannot put old wine into new wineskins, or you lose BOTH.

Live in the Old Covenant (the ministry of death - 2 Cor. 3) if you wish, but quit trying to live out the New Covenant (which, make NO mistake, IS the Covenant in effect now, with Christ Jesus as its Perfect, Forever High Priest) using the Old Covenant. THAT is putting Old Wine into the New Wineskin.

-JGIG
Good point,
So in your opinion, what is the detailed function of our High Priest, I think it can be found with the spiritual understanding of Leviticus. What do you think?

John 3:9-12
9 Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be ?
10 Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?
11 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know , and testify that we have seen ; and ye receive not our witness.
12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe , if I tell you of heavenly things?


 
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Re: False Teaching - Telling Believers They're Under the Law Renders Them Impotent

Post #12

Live in the Old Covenant (the ministry of death - 2 Cor. 3) if you wish, but quit trying to live out the New Covenant (which, make NO mistake, IS the Covenant in effect now, with Christ Jesus as its Perfect, Forever High Priest) using the Old Covenant. THAT is putting Old Wine into the New Wineskin.

-JGIG
According to the teaching of Jesus concerning the wine. It was putting "New Wine" into old skins that wouldn't work. The "Old Wine" can easily be put into the new skins for it has already expanded. So your comment of " THAT is putting Old Wine into the New Wineskin." actually works just fine.
 
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According to the teaching of Jesus concerning the wine. It was putting "New Wine" into old skins that wouldn't work. The "Old Wine" can easily be put into the new skins for it has already expanded. So your comment of " THAT is putting Old Wine into the New Wineskin." actually works just fine.
Perhaps one should taste the new wine, Jesus proved it was better than the old, in fact, you can't even compare the taste.
 

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Re: False Teaching - Telling Believers They're Under the Law Renders Them Impotent

Perhaps one should taste the new wine, Jesus proved it was better than the old, in fact, you can't even compare the taste.
really? I just came across this vs....interesting...

No one who has been drinking old wine wants new wine, because he says, 'The old wine is good enough!'"
(Luk 5:39)

Maybe that's just a picture of those who are deluded into thinking the Mosaic system is better?
 

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Re: False Teaching - Telling Believers They're Under the Law Renders Them Impotent

really? I just came across this vs....interesting...

No one who has been drinking old wine wants new wine, because he says, 'The old wine is good enough!'"
(Luk 5:39)

Maybe that's just a picture of those who are deluded into thinking the Mosaic system is better?

Yep.

-JGIG .
 
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This thread was not just about the law that God gave Moses. I am not saying to obey it in the flesh, I am saying NOT to deny it as substantial for this day. It's Spiritual bread.

Matthew 4:4 But he answered and said , It is written , Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
Satan sprays his herbicides in the wind, for he is the prince and power of the air. It looks good to the carnal eye, but doesn't bear any fruit.

Ephesians 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid : yea, we establish the law.

Romans 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be .
 
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