If you keep Lev 15:22, how do you go about doing it?

[Dan_473]

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus+15&version=KJV


hi! I was interested in talking about Lev 15:22 with anyone who feels it applies today... KohenMatt http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/96677-what-does-law-really-say-21.html post 409 suggested we open a new thread... so, if you keep that law, how do you go about doing it? how soon after sitting do you wash your clothes?

 

[KohenMatt]

I still sleep in the same bed as my wife, but at the end of her cycle, we wash all of the sheets and towels from the last week. She and I are also showering every night and washing our clothes every night.

 

[chubbena]

I still sleep in the same bed as my wife, but at the end of her cycle, we wash all of the sheets and towels from the last week. She and I are also showering every night and washing our clothes every night.

That's the benefit of living in the 21st century when sanctuary pads are at every drugstore, not the old menstrual clothe and water is at the tap so no need to line up at the stone. That's technology. Imagine what the new heaven and earth will be like!

 

[crossnote]

I still sleep in the same bed as my wife, but at the end of her cycle, we wash all of the sheets and towels from the last week. She and I are also showering every night and washing our clothes every night.

Matt, I take it you are observing this because you 'want to', not 'in order to' keep the Commandments?

 

[chubbena]

Matt, I take it you are observing this because you 'want to', not 'in order to' keep the Commandments?

Wash your hands before you eat is a command. If one does not understand the reason behind it could be a harsh one. Here some are to find out the reason. Here some think washing your hands would make you legalist though...

 

[JimmieD]

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus+15&version=KJV


hi! I was interested in talking about Lev 15:22 with anyone who feels it applies today... KohenMatt http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/96677-what-does-law-really-say-21.html post 409 suggested we open a new thread... so, if you keep that law, how do you go about doing it? how soon after sitting do you wash your clothes?

The Law here is pretty straight forward. If you touch furniture that a woman sits on during cycle, you have to wash your clothes and wash yourself. So how do you keep this law if you want to abide by Israelite Law? By washing yourself and washing your clothes if you touch said furniture. This one is pretty easy to understand.

Another option is to see the principle in play here - basic sanitation - and just practice the principle on which the law is based. So, be sanitary rather than unsanitary. If you become dirty, unclean, nasty, smelly, bloody, etc.. take a shower and wash your clothes. This isn't exactly following the law though because the law is explicit in it's instruction/application; in this case you're following a principle on which the law is based - that being sanitation.

 

[KohenMatt]

Matt, I take it you are observing this because you 'want to', not 'in order to' keep the Commandments?

Both. They are 1 in the same to me.

 

[RedTent]

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus+15&version=KJV


hi! I was interested in talking about Lev 15:22 with anyone who feels it applies today... KohenMatt http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/96677-what-does-law-really-say-21.html post 409 suggested we open a new thread... so, if you keep that law, how do you go about doing it? how soon after sitting do you wash your clothes?

There are lots of ways to look at this command. You can see it as a command to do something in a legalistic way, a sort of just tell your body what to do it is enough. You can do it in a spiritual way, saying Lord, I agree with you, I will pray about it, just don't ask me to follow through with any actual doing. You can tell the Lord that you will make a trade with Him over this, you will do this unreasonable thing God dares ask of you, but He better give you eternal life for doing it. You could say that Lord, I don't understand, but if you ask it, I love you enough and trust you enough to follow what you say. You could even use this command as something to thank the Lord for, showing you a way to live in His kingdom better. It is up to each individual what to do about the suggestions God gives for living. The only thing absolute that must be followed is to know God is supreme, God is God, and only God has the power to forgive and God does this through our faith in Him and His grace. Telling God you know better than anything God tells you is a threat to His being able to offer you that grace.

 

[just-me]

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus+15&version=KJV


hi! I was interested in talking about Lev 15:22 with anyone who feels it applies today... KohenMatt http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/96677-what-does-law-really-say-21.html post 409 suggested we open a new thread... so, if you keep that law, how do you go about doing it? how soon after sitting do you wash your clothes?

Leviticus 15:22 And whosoever toucheth any thing that she sat upon shall wash his clothes, and bathe himself in water, and be unclean until the even.

Did you comprehend the spiritual meaning of the menstrual period? The egg is not fertilized, and there needs be a renewing for conception in the cycle. As the church conceives newborns (being born again) so in Spiritual reality the church must be renewed to conceive the seed of Christ. It's called revival in short.

Ephesians 5:30-32
30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.
31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.
32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

 

[JGIG]

Leviticus 15:22 And whosoever toucheth any thing that she sat upon shall wash his clothes, and bathe himself in water, and be unclean until the even.

Did you comprehend the spiritual meaning of the menstrual period? The egg is not fertilized, and there needs be a renewing for conception in the cycle. As the church conceives newborns (being born again) so in Spiritual reality the church must be renewed to conceive the seed of Christ. It's called revival in short.

Ephesians 5:30-32
30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.
31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.
32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

That was very creative.

Hooey, but creative.

The command means what it says and says what it means.

For Israel, under the Law, whosoever toucheth any thing that she (a menstruating woman) sat upon shall wash his clothes, and bathe himself in water, and be unclean until the even.

Good grief.

-JGIG

 

[JGIG]

There are lots of ways to look at this command. You can see it as a command to do something in a legalistic way, a sort of just tell your body what to do it is enough. You can do it in a spiritual way, saying Lord, I agree with you, I will pray about it, just don't ask me to follow through with any actual doing. You can tell the Lord that you will make a trade with Him over this, you will do this unreasonable thing God dares ask of you, but He better give you eternal life for doing it. You could say that Lord, I don't understand, but if you ask it, I love you enough and trust you enough to follow what you say. You could even use this command as something to thank the Lord for, showing you a way to live in His kingdom better. It is up to each individual what to do about the suggestions God gives for living. The only thing absolute that must be followed is to know God is supreme, God is God, and only God has the power to forgive and God does this through our faith in Him and His grace. Telling God you know better than anything God tells you is a threat to His being able to offer you that grace.

Or you could realize that you are, if you are in Christ, dead to the Law and be thankful that our lives do not center around, "Do not touch, do not taste!", but we are free and led by the Spirit. God no longer relates to mankind through Law, but through Grace.

Walking in the Old Covenant, HOWEVER you choose to interpret/apply it, is dead works.

"If you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law." Gal. 5:18​

-JGIG

 

[crossnote]

Matt, I take it you are observing this because you 'want to', not 'in order to' keep the Commandments?

Both. They are 1 in the same to me.

To 'keep' one, they must all be 'kept' otherwise you are not keeping them at all.I was hoping you would say only 'because I want to'.

James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

Galatians 5:3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.

 

[just-me]

That was very creative.

Hooey, but creative.

The command means what it says and says what it means.

For Israel, under the Law, whosoever toucheth any thing that she (a menstruating woman) sat upon shall wash his clothes, and bathe himself in water, and be unclean until the even.

Good grief.

-JGIG

So this law is Spiritual as every other part. Since you are so learned on scripture what is your take on the spiritual meaning of this verse?

Leviticus 15:22 And whosoever toucheth any thing that she sat upon shall wash his clothes, and bathe himself in water, and be unclean until the even.

Romans 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

1 Corinthians 2:But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned .

Romans 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be .

 

[just-me]

To all who read and can understand the spiritual implications of the law given to Moses.

This is a very good example of understanding the Spiritual concepts of the law. King David loved the law of God, but there was one spiritual principle that he didn't understand until it was explained to him by the prophet Nathan.

Exodus 22:1 If a man shall steal an ox, or a sheep, and kill it, or sell it; he shall restore five oxen for an ox, and four sheep for a sheep.

Psalm 119:97 O how love I thy law! it is my meditation all the day.

David didn't understand the spiritual principles of the four sheep when he took Bathsheba for his own.

2 Samuel 12:1-10
1 And the LORD sent Nathan unto David. And he came unto him, and said unto him, There were two men in one city; the one rich, and the other poor .
2 The rich man had exceeding many flocks and herds:
3 But the poor man had nothing, save one little ewe lamb, which he had bought and nourished up : and it grew up together with him, and with his children; it did eat of his own meat, and drank of his own cup, and lay in his bosom, and was unto him as a daughter.
4 And there came a traveller unto the rich man, and he spared to take of his own flock and of his own herd, to dress for the wayfaring man that was come unto him; but took the poor man's lamb, and dressed it for the man that was come to him.
5 And David's anger was greatly kindled against the man; and he said to Nathan, As the LORD liveth, the man that hath done this thing shall surely die:
6 And he shall restore the lamb fourfold, because he did this thing, and because he had no pity .
7 And Nathan said to David, Thou art the man. Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, I anointed thee king over Israel, and I delivered thee out of the hand of Saul;
8 And I gave thee thy master's house, and thy master's wives into thy bosom, and gave thee the house of Israel and of Judah; and if that had been too little, I would moreover have given unto thee such and such things.
9 Wherefore hast thou despised the commandment of the LORD, to do evil in his sight? thou hast killed Uriah the Hittite with the sword, and hast taken his wife to be thy wife, and hast slain him with the sword of the children of Ammon.
10 Now therefore the sword shall never depart from thine house; because thou hast despised me, and hast taken the wife of Uriah the Hittite to be thy wife.

 

[Kerry]

What this does is take your faith from the work of the cross and put it in what you do. I'm sorry but God will not accept that. If He did then there is no need of the cross because we can become righteous by our own means. In fact it spits in the face of Christ and denies Him.

 

[JGIG]

So this law is Spiritual as every other part. Since you are so learned on scripture what is your take on the spiritual meaning of this verse?

Leviticus 15:22 And whosoever toucheth any thing that she sat upon shall wash his clothes, and bathe himself in water, and be unclean until the even.

Romans 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

1 Corinthians 2:But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned .

Romans 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be .

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You've cherry-picked verses that seem to support your position of spiritualizing away the very real and fleshly demands of the Law.

What you've actually done is given more support to what the New Covenant tells us, and that is that we who are in Christ are DEAD to the Law. It has NOTHING more to do with us.

There is no need to pick and choose or try to figure out how to keep spiritually that which cannot (or is not convenient to) be kept. We are DEAD to the Law (Rom. 7).

You guys are cracking me up with your versions of niddah - do you realize that the proper observance of the cleanliness laws means that you go without sex for 12-14 days EVERY month, unless your wife is post-menopausal, depending on the length of time the woman bleeds?

When she becomes clean of her discharge, she shall count off seven days, and after that she shall be clean (Leviticus 15:18).​

Please don't misunderstand; I'm not advocating for sex during menses (yuk), or not cleaning properly during/after menses or sexual relations or waiting an appropriate amount of time after childbirth (and I'm one who has birthed seven babies!). These things are common sense today.

But we are not required by Old Covenant Law to do the ritual bathing and not touching, sitting, etc. during menses. Our relationship with God is not affected one way or the other by the performance or non-performance of Old Covenant laws.

-JGIG

 

[p_rehbein]

I can only come to the conclusion that those who profess we Christians today must obey ALL THE LAW are tiring.........for this sudden concept that somehow a woman's menstrual cycle is one of the most "spiritually deep" events in all of Scripture is astounding.............oh my goodness............

So, I was picking my nose, and I began to consider the "spiritual" aspect of nose picking...........you wouldn't believe how enlightening of a moment that was.

 

[Kerry]

I can only come to the conclusion that those who profess we Christians today must obey ALL THE LAW are tiring.........for this sudden concept that somehow a woman's menstrual cycle is one of the most "spiritually deep" events in all of Scripture is astounding.............oh my goodness............

So, I was picking my nose, and I began to consider the "spiritual" aspect of nose picking...........you wouldn't believe how enlightening of a moment that was.

But if you ate it then your going to hell. It's okay to pick but not eat that's unlawful according to Hezekiah 4:23.

 

[Kerry]

Okay show of hands and be truthful. How many went to bible gateway and looked up Hezekiah 4:23?

 

[RedTent]

Or you could realize that you are, if you are in Christ, dead to the Law and be thankful that our lives do not center around, "Do not touch, do not taste!", but we are free and led by the Spirit. God no longer relates to mankind through Law, but through Grace.

Walking in the Old Covenant, HOWEVER you choose to interpret/apply it, is dead works.

"If you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law." Gal. 5:18​

-JGIG

So are you saying you have a special spirit that is leading you away from anything God suggests for a way for you to live? Or do you mean that God goes back on anything He once promised so God cannot be trusted? A covenant God makes means nothing to Him so He can change it anytime He chooses? That there are words God spoke that are now dead? How do you know this untrustworthy God you have will stand by the covenant He now made if he can cancel covenants?

I am not under law for salvation, I am under grace only. Still, I love the Lord and listen when the Lord speaks. That is how the spirit from God works, I don't understand the spirit you are following.