What does the Law REALLY say?
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C
He must have very good reasons for these two laws. I believe they are for the goodness of the land for it's written in 2 Chronicles 36:21 The land enjoyed its sabbath rests; all the time of its desolation it rested, until the seventy years were completed in fulfillment of the word of the Lord spoken by Jeremiah.
I recently visited an organic farm. The representative gave us a lecture on farming in which amazing enough (for a city guy like me) he said resting is vital for a land.
I recently visited an organic farm. The representative gave us a lecture on farming in which amazing enough (for a city guy like me) he said resting is vital for a land.
Yep, that's why a lot of farmers let their land lie fallow for a year to replenish itself. When you keep using using the land year after year with no rest, it looses a lot of its nutrients. That's why you see a lot of farms in the midwest very dry and poor where the farmers have to add the fertilizers and nutrients to help things grow.
The neat thing is that you can still eat off the food during that year, you just can't harvest it. (Lev 25:5-7)
The neat thing is that you can still eat off the food during that year, you just can't harvest it. (Lev 25:5-7)
C
The neat thing is we have fridge and freezer now 
Seriously I find fruits taste different (not better nor worse, just different) from way back when grapes and watermelons had seeds. Even now my body reacts differently between seeded grapes and seedless ones. Are fruits without seed still good in His eyes? I don't know.
Seriously I find fruits taste different (not better nor worse, just different) from way back when grapes and watermelons had seeds. Even now my body reacts differently between seeded grapes and seedless ones. Are fruits without seed still good in His eyes? I don't know.
The neat thing is we have fridge and freezer now
Seriously I find fruits taste different (not better nor worse, just different) from way back when grapes and watermelons had seeds. Even now my body reacts differently between seeded grapes and seedless ones. Are fruits without seed still good in His eyes? I don't know.
Seriously I find fruits taste different (not better nor worse, just different) from way back when grapes and watermelons had seeds. Even now my body reacts differently between seeded grapes and seedless ones. Are fruits without seed still good in His eyes? I don't know.
Genesis 1:29 - "Then God said, "Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the surface of all the earth, and every tree which has fruit yielding seed; it shall be food for you;"
I suppose you could say that fruits/veggies without seeds have been modified and have lost some of their naturally intended health benefits. (My wife is health food nut. I just eat whatever she puts on the table.)
C
A sister in our group is, or soon to be, a holistic nutritionist (that's a debatable topic right here) who has influenced much of our diet (as if our diet is not weird in the eyes of many). We were depressed after she went through our fridge and cabinets some time ago because most, if not all foods were GMO. Even the seemingly innocent flour contains much bad stuff.
The latest organic food trend is probably the biggest scam since bottled water - there's no denying something fishy is going on with our food industry.
To me Genesis 1:29 is no debate. Someone is in control of food by controlling the source i.e. seed. Independent farmers are not truly independent but then it's quite another topic.
The latest organic food trend is probably the biggest scam since bottled water - there's no denying something fishy is going on with our food industry.
To me Genesis 1:29 is no debate. Someone is in control of food by controlling the source i.e. seed. Independent farmers are not truly independent but then it's quite another topic.
C
That is what I am and have been saying. Do according to the conscious which has the Law written upon it by the Lord Himself.
God's Law has always been: to love. The Spirit convicts us to do God's spoken Will through Love. Love fulfills that Law which God has expressed concerning what He deems good. There is but one Law and that is God's Law. Of Old, man tried to walk pleasingly before God through deeds of his flesh and quite assuredly failed miserably. God said that it was not working out, so He sent His Son with a new Law to follow and a new method to follow what God has spoken of His Will. That Law which came with Christ also tells us that the essence of what God spoke is to still be fulfilled.
So, if we do not love, have we not offended? If we do not love, have we not done evil? Yes, if we do not love, have we not done harm? Then certainly, the Law which was brought to us through Christ teaches us to be in compliance to God's will, just as He did. Jesus did not come to destroy the Law, but to satisfy (fulfill) it so that we could die to the Law and marry Him as the One who leads to God.
Even we Christians cannot live lasciviously and if we do, does not the Spirit convict us of sin which is in need of forgiveness? If not by the Law, then by what does He convict us? By Love? Even love will say that we have offended God, that we have caused harm to another. And is this not what we call our conscious? So then, the Law upon our conscious is even in agreement to God's spoken will.
So you say.
Never said it was, JGIG. Please let us continue as we were and not any of this assumption. I have, on numerous occasions, said that Love is. Does love offend? Does love do harm? Does love hate? I have said that Love THEN fulfills God's will which is: do no sin, no evil, do love.
Are we not responsible to walk pleasingly before God? Do we not do that through love? If we are not responsible to walking pleasingly before God then we have been liberated to live as we desire and we know that is not true. Yes, we are to believe in the One He sent and to love God and others, But, a faith without love is meaningless with Jesus. Love for God will cause one to please and not grieve Him as a rebellious son.
What is God's will? Is it outdated? Are we not told to walk according to the Spirit and if not, He convicts us? Does not the Lord chastise us when we misbehave? Does that not imply that His eternal will still does not approve of those things which goes against what He has spoken?
Love is the new method which He has given us to fulfill His will. What will? Has He not told us what is good in His sight? How then, do I please my Lord as my Lord has?
This I leave you all with:
Eph 5:2 And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour. 3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; 4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks. 5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. 6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. 7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them. 8 For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light: 9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth; )
Eph 5:10 Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord.
God's Law has always been: to love. The Spirit convicts us to do God's spoken Will through Love. Love fulfills that Law which God has expressed concerning what He deems good. There is but one Law and that is God's Law. Of Old, man tried to walk pleasingly before God through deeds of his flesh and quite assuredly failed miserably. God said that it was not working out, so He sent His Son with a new Law to follow and a new method to follow what God has spoken of His Will. That Law which came with Christ also tells us that the essence of what God spoke is to still be fulfilled.
So, if we do not love, have we not offended? If we do not love, have we not done evil? Yes, if we do not love, have we not done harm? Then certainly, the Law which was brought to us through Christ teaches us to be in compliance to God's will, just as He did. Jesus did not come to destroy the Law, but to satisfy (fulfill) it so that we could die to the Law and marry Him as the One who leads to God.
Even we Christians cannot live lasciviously and if we do, does not the Spirit convict us of sin which is in need of forgiveness? If not by the Law, then by what does He convict us? By Love? Even love will say that we have offended God, that we have caused harm to another. And is this not what we call our conscious? So then, the Law upon our conscious is even in agreement to God's spoken will.
So you say.
Never said it was, JGIG. Please let us continue as we were and not any of this assumption. I have, on numerous occasions, said that Love is. Does love offend? Does love do harm? Does love hate? I have said that Love THEN fulfills God's will which is: do no sin, no evil, do love.
Are we not responsible to walk pleasingly before God? Do we not do that through love? If we are not responsible to walking pleasingly before God then we have been liberated to live as we desire and we know that is not true. Yes, we are to believe in the One He sent and to love God and others, But, a faith without love is meaningless with Jesus. Love for God will cause one to please and not grieve Him as a rebellious son.
What is God's will? Is it outdated? Are we not told to walk according to the Spirit and if not, He convicts us? Does not the Lord chastise us when we misbehave? Does that not imply that His eternal will still does not approve of those things which goes against what He has spoken?
Love is the new method which He has given us to fulfill His will. What will? Has He not told us what is good in His sight? How then, do I please my Lord as my Lord has?
This I leave you all with:
Eph 5:2 And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour. 3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; 4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks. 5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. 6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. 7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them. 8 For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light: 9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth; )
Eph 5:10 Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord.
Obviously, the temple laws are physically applicable today because there is no temple, but I think there is a spiritual insight and application for us today.
While I think it would be best to talk about specific laws and their applications in a separate thread, I will say that I believe all of the laws have at least a spiritual application or lesson for us today. Many of the laws do not apply physically to me (I don't have a farm or livestock. I don't go out to war, etc.), while some of them might be applicable to others. Each command, while part of a whole, can stand on its own for physical and/or spiritual application.
While I think it would be best to talk about specific laws and their applications in a separate thread, I will say that I believe all of the laws have at least a spiritual application or lesson for us today. Many of the laws do not apply physically to me (I don't have a farm or livestock. I don't go out to war, etc.), while some of them might be applicable to others. Each command, while part of a whole, can stand on its own for physical and/or spiritual application.
CONCERNING ANIMALS FOR CONSUMPTION
143 Deuteronomy 18:3 - The Cohen's (Priest’s) due in the slaughter of every clean animal.
And this shall be the priest's due from the people, from them that offer a sacrifice, whether it be ox or sheep; and they shall give unto the priest the shoulder, and the two cheeks, and the maw.
144 Deuteronomy 18:4 - On the first of the fleece to be given to the Cohen (Priest).
The firstfruit also of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the first of the fleece of thy sheep, shalt thou give him.
145 Leviticus 27:21 - (Cherem vow) one devoted thing to God, other to Cohanim(Priest).
But the field, when it goeth out in the jubile, shall be holy unto the LORD, as a field devoted; the possession thereof shall be the priest's.
146 Deuteronomy 12:21 - Slaughtering animals, according to Torah, before eating.
If the place which the LORD thy God hath chosen to put his name there be too far from thee, then thou shalt kill of thy herd and of thy flock, which the LORD hath given thee, as I have commanded thee, and thou shalt eat in thy gates whatsoever thy soul lusteth after.
147 Leviticus 17:13 - Covering with earth the blood of slain fowl and beast.
And whatsoever man there be of the children of Israel, or of the strangers that sojourn among you, which hunteth and catcheth any beast or fowl that may be eaten; he shall even pour out the blood thereof, and cover it with dust.
148 Deuteronomy 22:7 - On setting free the parent bird when taking the nest.
But thou shalt in any wise let the dam go, and take the young to thee; that it may be well with thee, and that thou mayest prolong thy days.
149 Leviticus 11:2 - Searching for prescribed signs in beasts, for eating.
Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, These are the beasts which ye shall eat among all the beasts that are on the earth.
150 Deuteronomy 14:11 - Searching for the prescribed signs in birds, for eating.
Of all clean birds ye shall eat.
151 Leviticus 11:21 - Searching for prescribed signs in locusts, for eating.
Yet these may ye eat of every flying creeping thing that goeth upon all four, which have legs above their feet, to leap withal upon the earth;
152 Leviticus 11:9 - Searching for the prescribed signs in fish, for eating.
These shall ye eat of all that are in the waters: whatsoever hath fins and scales in the waters, in the seas, and in the rivers, them shall ye eat.
143 Deuteronomy 18:3 - The Cohen's (Priest’s) due in the slaughter of every clean animal.
And this shall be the priest's due from the people, from them that offer a sacrifice, whether it be ox or sheep; and they shall give unto the priest the shoulder, and the two cheeks, and the maw.
144 Deuteronomy 18:4 - On the first of the fleece to be given to the Cohen (Priest).
The firstfruit also of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the first of the fleece of thy sheep, shalt thou give him.
145 Leviticus 27:21 - (Cherem vow) one devoted thing to God, other to Cohanim(Priest).
But the field, when it goeth out in the jubile, shall be holy unto the LORD, as a field devoted; the possession thereof shall be the priest's.
146 Deuteronomy 12:21 - Slaughtering animals, according to Torah, before eating.
If the place which the LORD thy God hath chosen to put his name there be too far from thee, then thou shalt kill of thy herd and of thy flock, which the LORD hath given thee, as I have commanded thee, and thou shalt eat in thy gates whatsoever thy soul lusteth after.
147 Leviticus 17:13 - Covering with earth the blood of slain fowl and beast.
And whatsoever man there be of the children of Israel, or of the strangers that sojourn among you, which hunteth and catcheth any beast or fowl that may be eaten; he shall even pour out the blood thereof, and cover it with dust.
148 Deuteronomy 22:7 - On setting free the parent bird when taking the nest.
But thou shalt in any wise let the dam go, and take the young to thee; that it may be well with thee, and that thou mayest prolong thy days.
149 Leviticus 11:2 - Searching for prescribed signs in beasts, for eating.
Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, These are the beasts which ye shall eat among all the beasts that are on the earth.
150 Deuteronomy 14:11 - Searching for the prescribed signs in birds, for eating.
Of all clean birds ye shall eat.
151 Leviticus 11:21 - Searching for prescribed signs in locusts, for eating.
Yet these may ye eat of every flying creeping thing that goeth upon all four, which have legs above their feet, to leap withal upon the earth;
152 Leviticus 11:9 - Searching for the prescribed signs in fish, for eating.
These shall ye eat of all that are in the waters: whatsoever hath fins and scales in the waters, in the seas, and in the rivers, them shall ye eat.
C
But then does the law in our conscious has to align with the written law? Otherwise how do we define the law of "love"?
If only they had but scripture told us most of them never did. For the few who did their faith was the same as Christians, albeit from a distance, and made complete by Christ.
John said it's new yet it's old from the beginning, is it not?
Some interpret "die to the law" being "die to the law spoken by the Word of God through Moses". I would say it's die to the law of "if one sins, one dies" for He has died for those who believe.
Couldn't agree more!
If only they had but scripture told us most of them never did. For the few who did their faith was the same as Christians, albeit from a distance, and made complete by Christ.
John said it's new yet it's old from the beginning, is it not?
Some interpret "die to the law" being "die to the law spoken by the Word of God through Moses". I would say it's die to the law of "if one sins, one dies" for He has died for those who believe.
Couldn't agree more!
Thanks for the answer... I opened up a new thread to talk about Lev 15:22... http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...22-how-do-you-go-about-doing.html#post1651029
FESTIVALS – Part 1 of 2
153 Exodus 12:2 - Sanhedrin to sanctify New Moon, and reckon years and seasons.
This month shall be unto you the beginning of months: it shall be the first month of the year to you.
154 Exodus 23:12 - On resting on the Shabbat.
Six days thou shalt do thy work, and on the seventh day thou shalt rest: that thine ox and thine ass may rest, and the son of thy handmaid, and the stranger, may be refreshed.
155 Exodus 20:8 - On declaring Shabbat holy at its onset and termination.
Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
156 Exodus 12:15 - On removal of chametz (leaven), on (Nisan 14th) Pesach(Passover).
Seven days shall ye eat unleavened bread; even the first day ye shall put away leaven out of your houses: for whosoever eateth leavened bread from the first day until the seventh day, that soul shall be cut off from Israel.
157 Exodus 13:8 - Tell of Exodus from Egypt 1st night Pesach (Passover), (Nisan 15th).
And thou shalt shew thy son in that day, saying, This is done because of that which the LORD did unto me when I came forth out of Egypt.
158 Exodus12:18 - On eating Matzah the first night of Pesach (Passover), (Nisan 15th).
In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month at even, ye shall eat unleavened bread, until the one and twentieth day of the month at even.
159 Exodus 12:16 - On resting on the first day of Pesach (Passover).
And in the first day there shall be an holy convocation, and in the seventh day there shall be an holy convocation to you; no manner of work shall be done in them, save that which every man must eat, that only may be done of you.
160 Exodus 12:16 - On resting on the seventh day of Pesach (Passover).
And in the first day there shall be an holy convocation, and in the seventh day there shall be an holy convocation to you; no manner of work shall be done in them, save that which every man must eat, that only may be done of you.
153 Exodus 12:2 - Sanhedrin to sanctify New Moon, and reckon years and seasons.
This month shall be unto you the beginning of months: it shall be the first month of the year to you.
154 Exodus 23:12 - On resting on the Shabbat.
Six days thou shalt do thy work, and on the seventh day thou shalt rest: that thine ox and thine ass may rest, and the son of thy handmaid, and the stranger, may be refreshed.
155 Exodus 20:8 - On declaring Shabbat holy at its onset and termination.
Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
156 Exodus 12:15 - On removal of chametz (leaven), on (Nisan 14th) Pesach(Passover).
Seven days shall ye eat unleavened bread; even the first day ye shall put away leaven out of your houses: for whosoever eateth leavened bread from the first day until the seventh day, that soul shall be cut off from Israel.
157 Exodus 13:8 - Tell of Exodus from Egypt 1st night Pesach (Passover), (Nisan 15th).
And thou shalt shew thy son in that day, saying, This is done because of that which the LORD did unto me when I came forth out of Egypt.
158 Exodus12:18 - On eating Matzah the first night of Pesach (Passover), (Nisan 15th).
In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month at even, ye shall eat unleavened bread, until the one and twentieth day of the month at even.
159 Exodus 12:16 - On resting on the first day of Pesach (Passover).
And in the first day there shall be an holy convocation, and in the seventh day there shall be an holy convocation to you; no manner of work shall be done in them, save that which every man must eat, that only may be done of you.
160 Exodus 12:16 - On resting on the seventh day of Pesach (Passover).
And in the first day there shall be an holy convocation, and in the seventh day there shall be an holy convocation to you; no manner of work shall be done in them, save that which every man must eat, that only may be done of you.
I could name a lot more based on the heart disposition given in the new covenant.
I don't need a written code to tell me
to drive my elderly neighbor to the doctor, or grocery store,
or invite her over to eat with us.
Don't need a written code to tell me
to take my neighbor's dog home when he gets out.
Don't need a written code to tell me
to care for my sick sibling.
Dont' need a written code to tell me
to give my employer a full day's work.
Don't need a written code to tell me
to tutor a kid having trouble in school.
Don't need a written code to tell me
to be kind and patient.
Etc., etc., etc.
Do you?
Do I also hear a bravo for the law of Christ written on my heart by his Holy Spirit?
I don't need a written code to tell me
to drive my elderly neighbor to the doctor, or grocery store,
or invite her over to eat with us.
Don't need a written code to tell me
to take my neighbor's dog home when he gets out.
Don't need a written code to tell me
to care for my sick sibling.
Dont' need a written code to tell me
to give my employer a full day's work.
Don't need a written code to tell me
to tutor a kid having trouble in school.
Don't need a written code to tell me
to be kind and patient.
Etc., etc., etc.
Do you?
Do I also hear a bravo for the law of Christ written on my heart by his Holy Spirit?
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FESTIVALS - Part 2 of 2
161 Leviticus 23:15 - Count the Omer (Counting) 49 days from day of first sheaf, Nisan 16.
And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete:
162 Leviticus 23:21 - On resting on Shavuot (Pentecost).
And ye shall proclaim on the selfsame day, that it may be an holy convocation unto you: ye shall do no servile work therein: it shall be a statute for ever in all your dwellings throughout your generations.
163 Leviticus 23:24 - On resting on Rosh HaShannah (Head of Year).
Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, In the seventh month, in the first day of the month, shall ye have a sabbath, a memorial of blowing of trumpets, an holy convocation.
164 Leviticus 16:29 - On fasting on Yom Kippur (Day of Atonement).
And this shall be a statute for ever unto you: that in the seventh month, on the tenth day of the month, ye shall afflict your souls, and do no work at all, whether it be one of your own country, or a stranger that sojourneth among you:
165 Leviticus 16:29 - On resting on Yom Kippur.
And this shall be a statute for ever unto you: that in the seventh month, on the tenth day of the month, ye shall afflict your souls, and do no work at all, whether it be one of your own country, or a stranger that sojourneth among you:
166 Leviticus 23:35 - On resting on the first day of Sukkot.
On the first day shall be an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.
167 Leviticus 23:36 - On resting on (the 8th day) Shemini Atzeret.
Seven days ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD: on the eighth day shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD: it is a solemn assembly; and ye shall do no servile work therein.
168 Leviticus 23:42 - On dwelling in a Sukkah (Booths) for seven days.
Ye shall dwell in booths seven days; all that are Israelites born shall dwell in booths:
169 Leviticus 23:40 - On taking a Lulav (the four species) on Sukkot.
And ye shall take you on the first day the boughs of goodly trees, branches of palm trees, and the boughs of thick trees, and willows of the brook; and ye shall rejoice before the LORD your God seven days.
170 Numbers 29:1 - On hearing the sound of the Shofar on Rosh HaShannah(Head of Year).
And in the seventh month, on the first day of the month, ye shall have an holy convocation; ye shall do no servile work: it is a day of blowing the trumpets unto you.
161 Leviticus 23:15 - Count the Omer (Counting) 49 days from day of first sheaf, Nisan 16.
And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete:
162 Leviticus 23:21 - On resting on Shavuot (Pentecost).
And ye shall proclaim on the selfsame day, that it may be an holy convocation unto you: ye shall do no servile work therein: it shall be a statute for ever in all your dwellings throughout your generations.
163 Leviticus 23:24 - On resting on Rosh HaShannah (Head of Year).
Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, In the seventh month, in the first day of the month, shall ye have a sabbath, a memorial of blowing of trumpets, an holy convocation.
164 Leviticus 16:29 - On fasting on Yom Kippur (Day of Atonement).
And this shall be a statute for ever unto you: that in the seventh month, on the tenth day of the month, ye shall afflict your souls, and do no work at all, whether it be one of your own country, or a stranger that sojourneth among you:
165 Leviticus 16:29 - On resting on Yom Kippur.
And this shall be a statute for ever unto you: that in the seventh month, on the tenth day of the month, ye shall afflict your souls, and do no work at all, whether it be one of your own country, or a stranger that sojourneth among you:
166 Leviticus 23:35 - On resting on the first day of Sukkot.
On the first day shall be an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.
167 Leviticus 23:36 - On resting on (the 8th day) Shemini Atzeret.
Seven days ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD: on the eighth day shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD: it is a solemn assembly; and ye shall do no servile work therein.
168 Leviticus 23:42 - On dwelling in a Sukkah (Booths) for seven days.
Ye shall dwell in booths seven days; all that are Israelites born shall dwell in booths:
169 Leviticus 23:40 - On taking a Lulav (the four species) on Sukkot.
And ye shall take you on the first day the boughs of goodly trees, branches of palm trees, and the boughs of thick trees, and willows of the brook; and ye shall rejoice before the LORD your God seven days.
170 Numbers 29:1 - On hearing the sound of the Shofar on Rosh HaShannah(Head of Year).
And in the seventh month, on the first day of the month, ye shall have an holy convocation; ye shall do no servile work: it is a day of blowing the trumpets unto you.