Grace and Law are married....
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Bizarre, would have to agree, as it's a very simple question. So, in the interest of helping the, what, shy out of a shell, I'll step up to the plate and contribute an answer. Jesus Christ is equal with God the Father, is very much deity. It even gets worse for Jehovah's Witnesses, Jesus Christ was the Creator, Almighty God of the Old Testament! (Oh my! I can hear the convulsing at the Kingdom Hall, which, incidentally, isn't a church, churches evil...)
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. ... 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Sorry. I've gone into the rabbit hole and back around with Jehovah's Witnesses, heard the Lord Jesus near reduced to a shepherd boy in the scheme of things. In the end, they can only fall back on changing the meaning of Bible words. I've never quite related to rewriting the Bible to suit us, I mean, what about reality?
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. ... 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Sorry. I've gone into the rabbit hole and back around with Jehovah's Witnesses, heard the Lord Jesus near reduced to a shepherd boy in the scheme of things. In the end, they can only fall back on changing the meaning of Bible words. I've never quite related to rewriting the Bible to suit us, I mean, what about reality?
Re: Grace and Law are married or Divorced? or Dead to the First Husband (Law)?
I'm not going to spend too much time responding to your rhetoric because you are too heavily influenced by the great apostasy. I will entertain you one more time.
God's Law on stone teaches principles of loving God and loving others, that will never go away. The problem is that they are written on stone which means they are an outward influence on man. The motive for obeying them was the fear of punishment. That is not how God wants to relate to us. Under the New Covenant God is going take the Law on stone and write it in our heart.
2 Corinthians 3:3 clearly you are an epistle of Christ, ministered by us, written not with ink but by the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of flesh, that is, of the heart.
When this is done we will experience an inward change where our desires start to change and we find yourself obeying from the heart, rather than obeying from an outside influence.
Ephesians 6:6 not with eyeservice, as men-pleasers, but as bondservants of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart.
If you were to see someone obeying God under the Old Covenant it would look just like someone obeying God who is under the New Covenant but what you can't see is the motive behind their obedience. You don't know the motive until you spend some time with them. I like to use the soup kitchen analogy. You have two people serving at a soup kitchen. One is doing for college credits and the other is doing because he loves God and others. If you were standing in line to eat you would see two people serving but you wouldn't know why they are serving until they tell you.
Remember, sin will never be right in God's eyes nor will sin ever bring life. God defines sin to help us watch out for it so that we can live. God pointing out sin is not what makes sin sinful, sin is sinful so God points it out to us.
I'm not going to spend too much time responding to your rhetoric because you are too heavily influenced by the great apostasy. I will entertain you one more time.
God's Law on stone teaches principles of loving God and loving others, that will never go away. The problem is that they are written on stone which means they are an outward influence on man. The motive for obeying them was the fear of punishment. That is not how God wants to relate to us. Under the New Covenant God is going take the Law on stone and write it in our heart.
2 Corinthians 3:3 clearly you are an epistle of Christ, ministered by us, written not with ink but by the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of flesh, that is, of the heart.
When this is done we will experience an inward change where our desires start to change and we find yourself obeying from the heart, rather than obeying from an outside influence.
Ephesians 6:6 not with eyeservice, as men-pleasers, but as bondservants of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart.
If you were to see someone obeying God under the Old Covenant it would look just like someone obeying God who is under the New Covenant but what you can't see is the motive behind their obedience. You don't know the motive until you spend some time with them. I like to use the soup kitchen analogy. You have two people serving at a soup kitchen. One is doing for college credits and the other is doing because he loves God and others. If you were standing in line to eat you would see two people serving but you wouldn't know why they are serving until they tell you.
Remember, sin will never be right in God's eyes nor will sin ever bring life. God defines sin to help us watch out for it so that we can live. God pointing out sin is not what makes sin sinful, sin is sinful so God points it out to us.
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If your heart doesn't tell you adultery is wrong, you are not born again.
And if your lifestyle is one of habitual sin, you are not born again.
BTW: Is Jesus God, equal with God the Father?
Yes, or no. . .
It's a question that cannot be answered with conditions, ifs, ands, buts, or maybes.
Jesus either is God, equal with God the Father, or he is not.
It's either an unequivocal "yes" or an unequivocal "no."
And if your lifestyle is one of habitual sin, you are not born again.
BTW: Is Jesus God, equal with God the Father?
Yes, or no. . .
It's a question that cannot be answered with conditions, ifs, ands, buts, or maybes.
Jesus either is God, equal with God the Father, or he is not.
It's either an unequivocal "yes" or an unequivocal "no."
Have you ever seen such ignorance of the NT,
such loose sliding around in and out of texts,
with no regard for their actual wording or meaning,
and that includes the statements of others,
such misleading misstatements of others' statements,
and in general just gaming the discussion,
and no clue as to what such intellectual dishonesty reveals about a person?
The intellectually dishonest methodology reveals more than I really care to know.
such loose sliding around in and out of texts,
with no regard for their actual wording or meaning,
and that includes the statements of others,
such misleading misstatements of others' statements,
and in general just gaming the discussion,
and no clue as to what such intellectual dishonesty reveals about a person?
The intellectually dishonest methodology reveals more than I really care to know.
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Then again
My turn, (rhetorical question), from a day ago.
Elins quick response with a minute delay after my post.
no response from me, silence.
Elins response with added text 18 hrs
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still no response from me
Then crossnote who doesn't like to be dragged into others problems, feels the need to respond with assertion, assumption, so called born again brother characteristics, and assure without doubt I am not born again. 14 hrs ago
Crossnote, first of all I've seen you interact in other threads, I've seen you "like" comments from people whose character are/is questionable, and yes I am referring particularly to Elins. If by your definition you've experienced a radical change and are a born again christian you would not be displaying appalling behavior as she has done, I am repulsed by her comments as much as I am by yours.
And if Christ is your first love you, would be following his example and not be worried if I am or not a born again christian, and let alone condoning appalling behavior of other so called born again believers.
I don't define being born again by your standard I follow the example of Christ. By their fruits they will be known. Your fruits are being shown online, I can imagine in person.
Ah then the main instigator 3 hrs ago with more added text
Elin, you must be going crazy without a response from me, find something to do, something edifying instead of trying to stir trouble. Your questions have no purpose but to instigate division and tear people down. I don't have time to answer questions without edifying purpose and moreover any questions that come from you, go read the OLD TESTAMENT OR SOMETHING.