Grace and Law are married....

[prove-all]

Re: Graced and Law are married....

Yes, Jesus said the the principles contained in the law are two:
love God with all you heart, soul, mind and strength,
and love your neighbor as yourself (Mt 22:37-40).

if you loved God with all youre heart and mind,

would not that include to keep Gods Holy things holy ?

 

[Elin]

Re: Graced and Law are married....

if you loved God with all youre heart and mind,

would not that include to keep Gods Holy things holy ?

Anything that is unloving to God or man is wrong under the new covenant (Mt 22:37-40).

 

[Elin]

Is Jesus God, equal with God the Father?

Yes, or no. . .

He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning.
For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

"My Father is greater than I" (John 14:28).

“Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone. mark10:18

Jesus Christ came to Earth to declare the Father (John 1:18)

Jesus Christ said He came specifically to “reveal” the Father(Matthew 11:27; Luke 10:22).

“I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him” (John 8:26).

For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me,
he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.John 12:49

the word which you hear is not Mine but the Father's who sent Me" (John 14:24).

Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father:
but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father;
and to my God, and your God. (John 20:17 KJV)

That is not an unequivocal "Yes," and is, therefore, a "No."

You are not an orthodox Christian. You belong to a non-Christian sect,
which denies the deity of Jesus Christ.

 

[prove-all]

That is not an unequivocal "Yes," and is, therefore, a "No."

You are not an orthodox Christian. You belong to a non-Christian sect,
which denies the deity of Jesus Christ.

this is why i did not answer you with a yes or no,

anything i said you would have disagreeded with.

so i post some scripture to youre question,

and you say i deny Jesus Christ, with out one word of my own

how do you come to this conclusion from verses from bible i posted

 

[prove-all]

That is not an unequivocal "Yes," and is, therefore, a "No."

You are not an orthodox Christian. You belong to a non-Christian sect,
which denies the deity of Jesus Christ.

how do you know what denomation i am, are you seeing vision about me

 

[Elin]

That is not an unequivocal "Yes," and is, therefore, a "No."

You are not an orthodox Christian. You belong to a non-Christian sect,
which denies the deity of Jesus Christ.

i post some scripture to youre question,

and you say i deny Jesus Christ, with out one word of my own

how do you come to this conclusion from verses from bible i posted

Specific deception discovered. . .former indication of deceptiveness proven to be true.

 

[prove-all]

Specific deception discovered. . .former indication of deceptiveness proven to be true.

can you explain this you say i decieve you

 

[prove-all]

can you explain this you say i decieve you

no reply must mean deception right ?

thats what you keep telling me

bring youre charges please so all can see

 

[JesusIsAll]

That is not an unequivocal "Yes," and is, therefore, a "No."

Bizarre, would have to agree, as it's a very simple question. So, in the interest of helping the, what, shy out of a shell, I'll step up to the plate and contribute an answer. Jesus Christ is equal with God the Father, is very much deity. It even gets worse for Jehovah's Witnesses, Jesus Christ was the Creator, Almighty God of the Old Testament! (Oh my! I can hear the convulsing at the Kingdom Hall, which, incidentally, isn't a church, churches evil...)

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. ... 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Sorry. I've gone into the rabbit hole and back around with Jehovah's Witnesses, heard the Lord Jesus near reduced to a shepherd boy in the scheme of things. In the end, they can only fall back on changing the meaning of Bible words. I've never quite related to rewriting the Bible to suit us, I mean, what about reality?

 

[prove-all]

That is not an unequivocal "Yes," and is, therefore, a "No."

You are not an orthodox Christian. You belong to a non-Christian sect,
which denies the deity of Jesus Christ.

so only orthodox christians sects get saved ?

 

[BlackPlatypus]

so only orthodox christians sects get saved ?

If you can't do good works to get saved, how do those detractors of Christs words prove you can do bad works in order to get 'unsaved' ?

 

[crossnote]

People keep saying that its written in our hearts, and and mind. What does that even mean? People commit adultery say its written in our heart we know its not right, Christ forgives us, repent and do it again. What does written in our hearts and mind really mean?

Have you never had a radical change of nature? From doing out of coercion to serving out of delight and love? Where the words of Scripture came alive for the first time and Jesus (not Moses) became your first love? If you don't know what that is, maybe you haven't been born again.

 

[crossnote]

You tend to speak through others such as what you did with Elin. Atwood believes we are not bound to obeying the Law and, according to your post, you agree with him and even liked what he said. You also testify of your expertise on this matter in Romans.

Atwood was just quoting Romans 7:1-11.
Am I to not 'like' Scripture?
You've never answered my question about being born again so don't expect any more replies from me.

 

[crossnote]

Re: Grace and Law are married or Divorced? or Dead to the First Husband (Law)?

Scuba,
This is resurrected from post #110...awaiting your long awaited reply....zzzzz

Uh uh. My turn...

Are you born again?
Is God's nature (law) written on your heart through the new birth?
Do you have the indwelling Holy Spirit?
Do you follow the written code on stone or the one in your heart?

Is the following true of you?

But when one turns to the Lord, the veil is removed. Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. And we all, with unveiled face, beholding the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from one degree of glory to another. For this comes from the Lord who is the Spirit.
(2Co 3:16-18)

 

[Scuba]

Re: Grace and Law are married or Divorced? or Dead to the First Husband (Law)?

Scuba,
This is resurrected from post #110...awaiting your long awaited reply....zzzzz

I'm not going to spend too much time responding to your rhetoric because you are too heavily influenced by the great apostasy. I will entertain you one more time.

God's Law on stone teaches principles of loving God and loving others, that will never go away. The problem is that they are written on stone which means they are an outward influence on man. The motive for obeying them was the fear of punishment. That is not how God wants to relate to us. Under the New Covenant God is going take the Law on stone and write it in our heart.

2 Corinthians 3:3 clearly you are an epistle of Christ, ministered by us, written not with ink but by the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of flesh, that is, of the heart.


When this is done we will experience an inward change where our desires start to change and we find yourself obeying from the heart, rather than obeying from an outside influence.

Ephesians 6:6 not with eyeservice, as men-pleasers, but as bondservants of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart.

If you were to see someone obeying God under the Old Covenant it would look just like someone obeying God who is under the New Covenant but what you can't see is the motive behind their obedience. You don't know the motive until you spend some time with them. I like to use the soup kitchen analogy. You have two people serving at a soup kitchen. One is doing for college credits and the other is doing because he loves God and others. If you were standing in line to eat you would see two people serving but you wouldn't know why they are serving until they tell you.

Remember, sin will never be right in God's eyes nor will sin ever bring life. God defines sin to help us watch out for it so that we can live. God pointing out sin is not what makes sin sinful, sin is sinful so God points it out to us.

 

[Elin]

People keep saying that its written in our hearts, and and mind. What does that even mean? People commit adultery say its written in our heart we know its not right, Christ forgives us, repent and do it again.
What does written in our hearts and mind really mean?

If your heart doesn't tell you adultery is wrong, you are not born again.

And if your lifestyle is one of habitual sin, you are not born again.

BTW: Is Jesus God, equal with God the Father?

Yes, or no. . .

It's a question that cannot be answered with conditions, ifs, ands, buts, or maybes.

Jesus either is God, equal with God the Father, or he is not.

It's either an unequivocal "yes" or an unequivocal "no."

 

[Elin]

Bizarre, would have to agree, as it's a very simple question. So, in the interest of helping the, what, shy out of a shell, I'll step up to the plate and contribute an answer.

Jesus Christ is equal with God the Father, is very much deity.

It even gets worse for Jehovah's Witnesses,

Jesus Christ was the Creator, Almighty God of the Old Testament! (Oh my! I can hear the convulsing at the Kingdom Hall, which, incidentally, isn't a church, churches evil...)

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and
the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. ...
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Sorry. I've gone into the rabbit hole and back around with Jehovah's Witnesses, heard the Lord Jesus near reduced to a shepherd boy in the scheme of things. In the end,
they can only fall back on changing the meaning of Bible words. I've never quite related to rewriting the Bible to suit us, I mean, what about reality?

Have you ever seen such ignorance of the NT,
such loose sliding around in and out of texts,
with no regard for their actual wording or meaning,
and that includes the statements of others,
such misleading misstatements of others' statements,
and in general just gaming the discussion,

and no clue as to what such intellectual dishonesty reveals about a person?

The intellectually dishonest methodology reveals more than I really care to know.

 

[LEPIDUS]

Uh uh. My turn...


Are you born again?
Is God's nature (law) written on your heart through the new birth?
Do you have the indwelling Holy Spirit?
Do you follow the written code on stone or the one in your heart?


Is the following true of you?


But when one turns to the Lord, the veil is removed. Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. And we all, with unveiled face, beholding the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from one degree of glory to another. For this comes from the Lord who is the Spirit.
(2Co 3:16-18)

Then again

The law is written on our hearts as born again believers and our High Priest intercedes on our behalf in the heavenlies.
The law on our hearts is the new nature given us...you have received that new nature , right?

My turn, (rhetorical question), from a day ago.

People keep saying that its written in our hearts, and and mind. What does that even mean? People commit adultery say its written in our heart we know its not right, Christ forgives us, repent and do it again. What does written in our hearts and mind really mean?

Elins quick response with a minute delay after my post.

If you heart doesn't tell you adultery is sin, you are not born again.


And if your lifestyle is one of habitual sin, you are not born again.

no response from me, silence.


Elins response with added text 18 hrs

If your heart doesn't tell you adultery is sin, you are not born again.


And if your lifestyle is one of habitual sin, you are not born again.


BTW: Is Jesus God, equal with God the Father?


Yes, or no. . .

.


still no response from me


Then crossnote who doesn't like to be dragged into others problems, feels the need to respond with assertion, assumption, so called born again brother characteristics, and assure without doubt I am not born again. 14 hrs ago

Have you never had a radical change of nature? From doing out of coercion to serving out of delight and love? Where the words of Scripture came alive for the first time and Jesus (not Moses) became your first love? If you don't know what that is, maybe you haven't been born again.

Crossnote, first of all I've seen you interact in other threads, I've seen you "like" comments from people whose character are/is questionable, and yes I am referring particularly to Elins. If by your definition you've experienced a radical change and are a born again christian you would not be displaying appalling behavior as she has done, I am repulsed by her comments as much as I am by yours.


And if Christ is your first love you, would be following his example and not be worried if I am or not a born again christian, and let alone condoning appalling behavior of other so called born again believers.


I don't define being born again by your standard I follow the example of Christ. By their fruits they will be known. Your fruits are being shown online, I can imagine in person.


Ah then the main instigator 3 hrs ago with more added text

If your heart doesn't tell you adultery is wrong, you are not born again.


And if your lifestyle is one of habitual sin, you are not born again.


BTW: Is Jesus God, equal with God the Father?


Yes, or no. . .


It's a question that cannot be answered with conditions, ifs, ands, buts, or maybes.


Jesus either is God, equal with God the Father, or he is not.


It's either an unequivocal "yes" or an unequivocal "no."

Elin, you must be going crazy without a response from me, find something to do, something edifying instead of trying to stir trouble. Your questions have no purpose but to instigate division and tear people down. I don't have time to answer questions without edifying purpose and moreover any questions that come from you, go read the OLD TESTAMENT OR SOMETHING.

 

[LEPIDUS]

This is being addressed to JesusIsAll:

Have you ever seen such ignorance of the NT,
such loose sliding around in and out of texts,
with no regard for their actual wording or meaning,
and that includes the statements of others,
such misleading misstatements of others' statements,
and in general just gaming the discussion,

and no clue as to what such intellectual dishonesty reveals about a person?

The intellectually dishonest methodology reveals more than I really care to know.

I think twice before aggreeing, commenting on this statement.

 

[LEPIDUS]

Bizarre, would have to agree, as it's a very simple question. So, in the interest of helping the, what, shy out of a shell, I'll step up to the plate and contribute an answer.

If you have not kept up with her posts, I would not be agreeing to a statement that has no edifying purpose, whos questions are not to edify but to cause division and tear people down. He's decision not to answer is not because he is shy but rather being wise and keeping silent.