A Basic Summary of the Seven Laws of Noah Versus the Ten Comandments of God

[RachelBibleStudent]

the noachide laws are a favorite target of the anti semites and conspiracy theorists who come here to spread fear and hate among christians...

for people who know what they are talking about the whole subject is really pretty boring...

the noachide laws are not anti christian...there is nothing in these laws that christians of sound mind would object to...

however these laws don't all actually go back to noah as the rabbinic tradition claims... the one prohibiting murder and the one prohibiting the eating of animals while they are still alive are the only noachide laws that actually go back to noah...with the latter being an obvious consequence of the scriptural prohibition God gave to noah against eating blood...

regarding the relation of the noachide laws to the mosaic law...the prohibitions of idolatry and blasphemy and murder and sexual immorality and theft clearly overlap with the ten commandments...the prohibition of eating animals that are still alive is a consequence of the mosaic prohibition against eating blood...and the courts of law were established by moses for the enforcement of the mosaic law...

the mosaic law is most likely the actual origin of the noachide laws...talmudic rabbis wanted to determine what moral principles gentiles were obligated to follow...so they selected from the mosaic law the seven laws that they regarded as basic moral principles...as opposed to specific ceremonial or civil requirements for the israelite nation...

though there is some overlap between the noachide laws and the requirements specified for gentile christians in the book of acts...there is probably no actual connection between the two... judaizers in the church at that point in time apparently believed that gentiles had to obey -all- the mosaic laws in order to be righteous...an idea they must have gotten from the jews themselves...so the noachide laws had to have developed -after- the new testament era...

the talmud actually derives six of the seven noachide laws from genesis 2:16 through various clever textual hand waving arguments...but exegetical sleight of hand is a topic for another thread...

 

[Mediate]

ALL the law, all the instruction, and all the word, has the same message when looked at properly.

Simple. One word. One simple word. Love.

Lovr with intent.

Love with charity.

Love without condition

Love with sacrifice for the good of others.

Love, and respect, for the God who loves more than any man can fathom.

My best love is nothing compared.to Gods. this is why are deeds are as filthy rags.

But still we must.

 

[Mediate]

Rachel speaks truth. Clearly love is prominent in her mind. Or at least sound knowledge.

 

[cenallen]

the noachide laws are a favorite target of the anti semites and conspiracy theorists who come here to spread fear and hate among christians...

did Christians come up with the Noahide Laws?
are they antisemites and 'conspiracy theorists' for examining them?

the noachide laws are not anti christian...there is nothing in these laws that christians of sound mind would object to....

oh yes.
another deceiver.
familiar enough with them to lie about them.

and the courts of law were established by moses for the enforcement of the mosaic law...

the mosaic law is most likely the actual origin of the noachide laws

the talmud actually derives six of the seven noachide laws from genesis 2:16 through various clever textual hand waving arguments...but exegetical sleight of hand is a topic for another thread...

you decide that, do you?


Christianity and Noahide Law
Within Judaism it is a matter of debate whether all Christians should be considered Noahides.

While Christianity appears to conform to six of the seven Noahide laws, an informal comparison of the Nicene Creed and Noahide Law reveals that three major theological teachings may involve a violation of the Noahide prohibition against idolatry.

Equating Jesus with G-d
Equating the Holy Spirit with G-d
Jesus as Savior (in his proposed capacity as G-d)

However, these theological issues do not fit the classical Jewish definition of idolatry. This has caused disagreement among rabbinic authorities on the question of the permissibility of Christianity for non-Jews. (All authorities forbid Christianity for Jews).

Another consideration would be that even if Christians are considered at least partially observant Noahides, are they Chasidei Umos HaOlam or Chochmei Umos HaOlam? The former are considered to have a share in the world to come because they recognize Noahide Law as being revealed through mosaic (rabbinic) tradition, the latter are not considered to have a share in the world to come because they follow Noahide Law based on intellectual expediency.[1]

In summary, classical idolatry has been clearly defined by Jewish Law. Christianity, however, has been defined as something less. The problem is defining how much less, and for what purposes.



Forbidden
The strict view, typified by Maimonides, is that Christian theology is considered avodah zarah (loosely translated as "idolatry") for all people, both Jew and non-Jew, as it subscribes to the Trinity. Therefore most Christians could not be considered Noahides. However, Unitarian Christians and other followers of Jesus who do not believe that Jesus is a deity would still be considered Noahides.


It is implied by Maimonides in his "Laws of Kings":
Even Jesus the Christian, who imagined himself as messiah, and was executed by the court -- was already prophesied about by Daniel "Those who are violent among your own people will rise up in confirmation of the vision, but they will falter." (Daniel 11:14). There was a great stumbling in this. All the prophets spoke of messiah as redeemer and saviour of the Jewish people, who will gather the exiles, and strengthen their laws. But this one has caused the destruction of Israel by the sword, the dispersal of the remnant, the exchange of the Torah for another, the misleading of most of the world to worship a god other than the L-rd.[6]


Christianity and Noahide Law - English WikiNoah

the noachide laws are not anti christian...there is nothing in these laws that christians of sound mind would object to....

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

did Christians come up with the Noahide Laws?
are they antisemites and 'conspiracy theorists' for examining them?



oh yes.
another deceiver.
familiar enough with them to lie about them.







you decide that, do you?


Christianity and Noahide Law
Within Judaism it is a matter of debate whether all Christians should be considered Noahides.

While Christianity appears to conform to six of the seven Noahide laws, an informal comparison of the Nicene Creed and Noahide Law reveals that three major theological teachings may involve a violation of the Noahide prohibition against idolatry.

Equating Jesus with G-d
Equating the Holy Spirit with G-d
Jesus as Savior (in his proposed capacity as G-d)

However, these theological issues do not fit the classical Jewish definition of idolatry. This has caused disagreement among rabbinic authorities on the question of the permissibility of Christianity for non-Jews. (All authorities forbid Christianity for Jews).

Another consideration would be that even if Christians are considered at least partially observant Noahides, are they Chasidei Umos HaOlam or Chochmei Umos HaOlam? The former are considered to have a share in the world to come because they recognize Noahide Law as being revealed through mosaic (rabbinic) tradition, the latter are not considered to have a share in the world to come because they follow Noahide Law based on intellectual expediency.[1]

In summary, classical idolatry has been clearly defined by Jewish Law. Christianity, however, has been defined as something less. The problem is defining how much less, and for what purposes.



Forbidden
The strict view, typified by Maimonides, is that Christian theology is considered avodah zarah (loosely translated as "idolatry") for all people, both Jew and non-Jew, as it subscribes to the Trinity. Therefore most Christians could not be considered Noahides. However, Unitarian Christians and other followers of Jesus who do not believe that Jesus is a deity would still be considered Noahides.


It is implied by Maimonides in his "Laws of Kings":
Even Jesus the Christian, who imagined himself as messiah, and was executed by the court -- was already prophesied about by Daniel "Those who are violent among your own people will rise up in confirmation of the vision, but they will falter." (Daniel 11:14). There was a great stumbling in this. All the prophets spoke of messiah as redeemer and saviour of the Jewish people, who will gather the exiles, and strengthen their laws. But this one has caused the destruction of Israel by the sword, the dispersal of the remnant, the exchange of the Torah for another, the misleading of most of the world to worship a god other than the L-rd.[6]


Christianity and Noahide Law - English WikiNoah

there is nothing wrong with examining the noachide laws...most christians follow them already anyway...

there is something wrong with lying about them...just as it is wrong to lie about anything else...

if you actually -read- the relevant portions of the talmud...which is the ultimate authority on what the noachide laws actually -mean-...with all post talmud jewish scholars being merely commentators...then you will find that the noachide law against idolatry applies only to the literal act of bowing down to a graven image...which christians shouldn't do anyway... the noachide laws as explained in the talmud do not prohibit belief in the divinity of jesus...any more than they prohibited belief in the divinity of zeus or apollo or anyone else... they only prohibit people from bowing down to a statue of jesus...or zeus or apollo or anyone else...

if all of your knowledge of the noachide laws comes from wiki quotations...then i regret to inform you that you are pretty much ignorant on the subject...

 

[cenallen]

there is nothing wrong with examining the noachide laws...most christians follow them already anyway...

there is something wrong with lying about them...just as it is wrong to lie about anything else...

so why are you lying about them?

if you actually -read- the relevant portions of the talmud...which is the ultimate authority on what the noachide laws actually -mean-...with all post talmud jewish scholars being merely commentators...then you will find that the noachide law against idolatry applies only to the literal act of bowing down to a graven image...which christians shouldn't do anyway... the noachide laws as explained in the talmud do not prohibit belief in the divinity of jesus...any more than they prohibited belief in the divinity of zeus or apollo or anyone else... they only prohibit people from bowing down to a statue of jesus...or zeus or apollo or anyone else...

bolded is another lie.

also, who interpets what the Talmud says today, Rachel?
are the Rabbis making a point of deciding on Christianity/Jesus and idolatry?

what are they saying today?

if all of your knowledge of the noachide laws comes from wiki quotations...then i regret to inform you that you are pretty much ignorant on the subject...

i thought i'd keep it simple.

but we can go directly to the Talmud if you like.
you read it. so do i.

might as well go directly to it, seeing the thread is here.

feel free to back up your claims from the Talmud Rachel. in any language you like.
and show us all how this is good for christians.

 

[Maccabaeus]

Re: A Basic Summary of the Seven Laws of Noah Versus the Ten Comandments of God Just curious Maccabaeus, are you in an environment where someone is actually preaching the noachide laws to you or your group?

The reason that I wonder is because most modern christians have never heard of them.

And of course, there's the question of why they were even penned as 7 laws when they were mostly covered in the 10 already, and even more than those, in the instruction to "love as I have loved"

Unless there was ulterior motive in the talmud. (tongue in cheek)

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Hail and Salutations, my Christian brother. Your question is excellent and very insightful. I'll make my story short. It starts around 16 or so years ago when the inernet was still just a baby in diapers. Here is goes:

(~ 1996) I typed in 'Satanic' in the search box, around a week after surfing the web for the 1st time, and to my surprise they were TONS o this Jew-hating sites, many of them quoting the Talmud, thus 'proving' that Judaism was 'Satanic' and that the Jews were evil enemies of Christianity and all those who practiced the faith.

(~ 1996-2000) Both bothered and intriqued about it, but having had some seriously good friendships with both male and female Jews for 4 years of University on the North Shore of Chicago, I tried to ignore the whole issue, but kept reading more and more literature that I assumed to be innocent, but looking back I now realize there are different, subtle types of Jew-haters that 'initiate' you into thinking like they do and BELIEVING that you are good person who can STILL be a good person after KNOWING that Judaism = Satanism and that the Jews are evil as hell.

(~ 2000-2001) Finally, I decided to do the right thing and read the Talmud (Soncino Edition) for myself and I did, all 2,700 pages of it. It took awhile, let me tell you. Most importantly, by reading this ancient Jewish text for myself, I was finally able to break the spell of doubting the goodness of the Jew (who is also a fellow human being). You can call it a transforming experience if you like, but instead discovering even more 'evil' the more Talmud O was able to study, I instead began to see only good. You see, the dirty, little secret about the Talmud that Jew-haters do not want you to know is that, the quotes they repeat over and over again represent .001% of the entire set of documents. Now, think about that for a second. This means that all the rest of the Talmud, the 99.99% remainder of the text, which nobody but fellow Jews ever reads anyway, happens to be good, righteous, noble, honorable, and basically compatible with the Christian religion (Gentiles).

(~ 2001-2012) Throughout this period of time, I have been fighting against and trying to prevent any other God-fearing Christians from having any misinformed or even uninformed opinions about the Jews and Judaism in general. I also fight the real Jew-haters head-on throught Facebook, Twitter, and a sprinklin of deates and forums found throughout the internet. Anyone harboring paranoid aor delusional fantasies about Jewish anti-Christs and Global, Zionist 'New World Orders' should be foreced, by simple logic and reason alone, that their superstitions and very deranged world-views are NOT at all campitable with Christian faith at all.

Nearly 16 year later, I am strong enought to talk about it and admit it- I am a recovering anti-Semite and my God have mercy upon my soul. After the fear and loathing for the very real brothers and sisteers of Jesus Christ fianally disappear, then you may finally SEE the enemies of Gentile Christianity are, in fact, FELLOW Gentiles who either secretly, or openly, mock the 'stupidity' of worshipping some dead, Jewish nobody from Nazareth, rather them wroshipping themselves instead.

God bless and Shalom, Jason Cornng (My real name, Judas Maccabaeus is simply the name of the Catholic Saint I chose as my Confimration name)

Good luck sir!

 

[Maccabaeus]

don't do a hit and run, now Maccabaeus; stick around and defend your position.
my guess is the majority here who are already Judaized will remain silent under this SATANIC attack on Jesus Christ (for fear of the jews....as they see your tired old weapon wielded - " hysterical, Jew-hating fanatics").

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In those days, when there was still no King in Israel, men did that which was right in their own eyes.

- Judges 21:25

Everyone's got their own pet peeves and preferences, their own petty interests and grievances. All men are quick to develop their own angle on the same story, their own way of viewing the same phenomena yet always in a unique way. Anti-Semitism is useless delusion and paranoia and those who suffer from it will only end up harming themselves. My story is boring. I decided that I don't hate Jews or Judaism and those who do need help, sometimes even mental health treatment,

Be not afraid, my Christian brother. For is not Jesus Chrsit a Jew? That for me, says it all, unless you're saying Christianity is the ultiimate strategy of teh Synagogue of Satan still busy being wicked and evil after all these years.

 

[Maccabaeus]

Here, here, my good Christian sister! Obviously you've still got a good head on your shoulders along with the perrtinent Jewish versus Christian interests that have been, and will continue to be, involved in these Judeo/Christian times of ours. When I look back at say, when I was still a Freshman at University (1990) little did I EVER believe I woul live to see teh day that Berlin would soon come tumbling down, while barely a year later, the powers that be in the Soviet Union would see themselves disobeyed, then ignored, and finallty removed from power forever. I tell you no lie when I say, as a Ukrainain Catholic, whose grandparents were able flee the mother countury, and the Bolsheviks who had seized power, just before it was too late. As you can imagine, I was a raving anti-Communist from the cradle onward, and for it was personal, not political for me.

Yet, somehow I can't really recall ever havning the chance the savor the victory over evil. Now, 12 years later, I see yet another milestone reached in this country. For just as I thought the USSR and its global eempier would see me live, grow old, and die, I was even more convinced that I would never, ever see a Black president in my lifetime. With all this change, I get kind of giddy, and think to myself that perhaps, just perhaps, I will live to see the 3rd unimaginable take place while I am still above ground rather than sleeping six feet below in my coffin. Now what would that 3rd occurrenec be about? It's simple, really. I'm jhoping and I do pray that I indeed survive to see the day when Christianity truly surrender their heart an dmind to God. Call me a dreamer, call me a fool, but perhaps we all shall see a new dawn suddenly find ourselves waking to a world whre the entire religion of Christianity doesn't hate the Jews anymore.

God bless and Shalom..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Here, here, my good Christian sister! Obviously you've still got a good head on your shoulders along with the perrtinent Jewish versus Christian interests that have been, and will continue to be, involved in these Judeo/Christian times of ours. When I look back at say, when I was still a Freshman at University (1990) little did I EVER believe I woul live to see teh day that Berlin would soon come tumbling down, while barely a year later, the powers that be in the Soviet Union would see themselves disobeyed, then ignored, and finallty removed from power forever. I tell you no lie when I say, as a Ukrainain Catholic, whose grandparents were able flee the mother countury, and the Bolsheviks who had seized power, just before it was too late. As you can imagine, I was a raving anti-Communist from the cradle onward, and for it was personal, not political for me.

Yet, somehow I can't really recall ever havning the chance the savor the victory over evil. Now, 12 years later, I see yet another milestone reached in this country. For just as I thought the USSR and its global eempier would see me live, grow old, and die, I was even more convinced that I would never, ever see a Black president in my lifetime. With all this change, I get kind of giddy, and think to myself that perhaps, just perhaps, I will live to see the 3rd unimaginable take place while I am still above ground rather than sleeping six feet below in my coffin. Now what would that 3rd occurrenec be about? It's simple, really. I'm jhoping and I do pray that I indeed survive to see the day when Christianity truly surrender their heart an dmind to God. Call me a dreamer, call me a fool, but perhaps we all shall see a new dawn suddenly find ourselves waking to a world whre the entire religion of Christianity doesn't hate the Jews anymore.

God bless and Shalom..

you wont see that till Christ returns.

 

[Crossfire]

I don't understand how certain people will argue that the book of Revelation was fulfilled roughly 2000 years ago yet teach that certain aspects are yet to come. Scripture clearly states that the Antichrist comes before the Millennium and the great apostasy before that thus, if we are truly living in the Millennial kingdom as some teach, then various claims of an Antichrist led world wide Jewish regime makes absolutely no sense what so ever in light of scripture. To me, it is just another form of Antisemitism. However, the question that needs to be why?

Why is the devil still trying to destroy the Jewish people even though the Messiah has already come? I believe the answer can be found in Matthew 23:37-39 :

“Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing. Look, your house is left to you desolate. For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.'”

While I am neither a Dispensationist or a Zionist, I'm a firm believer that all is not lost in Israel and scripture provides 144,000 reasons as to why.