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simple not easy.
Cutting your arm off is simple.. Ok :rolleyes:

its not me that is defining which sins. i said in my message that its God who does it. this is why its fundamental to study the tanakh. read what the books of Moses have to say. its sinning with a high-hand willful sin that hebrrews 10:26 refers to, (in numbers if im not mistaken) and there are presumptuous sins:
Num 15:28 And the priest shall make atonement before the LORD for the person who makes a mistake, when he sins unintentionally, to make atonement for him, and he shall be forgiven.

Num 15:30 But the person who does anything with a high hand, whether he is native or a sojourner, reviles the LORD, and that person shall be cut off from among his people.

see? its God defining it not me. this is what paul was quoting in hebrews. sinning with a high hand. and you are wrong there are unintentional sins, all sin is not willful as you claimed.

will you accept the truth or persist in this mistake? i hope you admit the truth my friend. God's spirit leads to all truth. lead us Lord Jesus to all truth amen. open all the seeking eyes
Jesus defined what sin is, A failure to love others (including your enemy) and God with all your heart.

All have sinned and fall short of the glory. If we say we have no sin we deceive ourselves

The law can not tell you what sin is, it was not made for that purpose. It was made to PROVE you were a sinner. And show WHAT must be done to atone for those sins (sacrifice and burnt offering)

The law was given to condemn us, as a tutor to lead us to christ. if you still need to rely on the law. You have not yet found christ because he is the end of the law on ALL who believe.


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Mar 28, 2019
Yeah, Jesus is GREATER than Moses or the Law. He is the fulfillment of the Law. That is PRECISELY why we can be righteous in Him. And just to make crystal clear just how impossible it is for YOU not to follow the Law Jesus lays it out in the Sermon on the Mount: So lowering God's standard of perfection is what we do when we parse sin. And you are wrong about Hebrews. The whole point of chapter 10 is dealing with HEBREWS wanting to back to the animal sacrifices to atone for sin. That is what they willingly sin about. They CONTINUED sinning willfully denying Jesus was the SOLE, SUFFICIENT, ONE TIME NECESSARY Sacrifice for Sin.

Sinless perfectionists have to constantly redefine sin, and or lower God's standard, which IS perfection. You willingly sin all the time. We don't even have to talk about the willing sins of omission. There are plenty made of commission. How many "willing" sins does one have to commit before somehow losing the Sealed Holy Spirit and Salvation? Go examine those laundry lists of sins chronicled in Galatians and elsewhere, and honestly ask yourself if you've EVER engaged in ANY of them, and don't forget the AND THE LIKE, since you became a Christian. And remember, as Jesus says below, EVEN just THINKING about them is the same as committing them.

Murder Begins in the Heart
21 “You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not murder, and whoever murders will be in danger of the judgment.’ 22 But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment. And whoever says to his brother, ‘Raca!’ shall be in danger of the council. But whoever says, ‘You fool!’ shall be in danger of hell fire.23 Therefore if you bring your gift to the altar, and there remember that your brother has something against you, 24 leave your gift there before the altar, and go your way. First be reconciled to your brother, and then come and offer your gift. 25 Agree with your adversary quickly, while you are on the way with him, lest your adversary deliver you to the judge, the judge hand you over to the officer, and you be thrown into prison. 26 Assuredly, I say to you, you will by no means get out of there till you have paid the last penny.

Adultery in the Heart
27 “You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ 28 But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29 If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell. 30 And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell.

Marriage Is Sacred and Binding
31 “Furthermore it has been said, ‘Whoever divorces his wife, let him give her a certificate of divorce.’ 32 But I say to you that whoever divorces his wife for any reason except sexual immorality causes her to commit adultery; and whoever marries a woman who is divorced commits adultery.

Jesus Forbids Oaths
33 “Again you have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not swear falsely, but shall perform your oaths to the Lord.’ 34 But I say to you, do not swear at all: neither by heaven, for it is God’s throne; 35 nor by the earth, for it is His footstool; nor by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the great King. 36 Nor shall you swear by your head, because you cannot make one hair white or black. 37 But let your ‘Yes’ be ‘Yes,’ and your ‘No,’ ‘No.’ For whatever is more than these is from the evil one.
unfortunately my point was not even discussed in this message. you couldnt just say oh yes it looks like the bible did divide sins like that in the OT, which the hebrews knew obviously. you had to be right so you skipped over the verses and stood behind your idea, discarding the verses. :cry:

Jesus' words are not law of moses. nor is obedience to God being under the law, that is faith, not law.