A continually surrendered life.

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Pisteuo

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The continually surrendered life is the easiest way to define exactly what NT saving Faith is.

The application of NT saving Faith is communicated to us by the use of the Greek word pisteuo, 248 times in the NT.

Pisteuo is defined in the Vines Greek dictionary as, " A personal surrender to Him and a life inspired by such surrender. Producing a full acknowledgement of God's revelation of truth."

The Strong's Greek dictionary gives us an important disclaimer, it states," pisteuo means NOT just to believe!" The words the English language should have had for the translators are faithe, faither, and faithing.

The problem is the English language doesn't have a corresponding verb to the noun Pistis, where we get our English word Faith, like the Greek does. So the translators were forced to choose a different word to translate possibly the most important word in the Holy Scriptures. They chose the words believe, believer, and believing, which are a part of NT saving Faith, but taken on their own is error.

True NT saving Faith, pisteuo, is a verb, "an act based upon a Belief, sustained by confidence." We fulfill hundreds of acts of pisteuo or faithing every day all day. Each act of pisteuo or faithing is a specific act, based upon a specific belief, sustained by a specific kind of confidence.

NT saving Faith or pisteuo is specifically surrendering our life and will to Him. Based upon the specific belief that God will accept, maintain, sustain, transform the surrendered life. Sustained by a specific kind of confidence, in making the many daily decisions that support the fact our lives are not ours anymore but His now.

The question was asked, " what does the surrendered life look like in the Temporal.?"

To keep the surrender genuine, I can only show you what the beginning looks like, or how to start it.

God, I offer myself to thee, to have with me and to build with me as thou wills. Relieve me from the bondage of self, that victory over this may bear witness to those I would help of thy power, thy love, and thy way of life. May I do thy will always. Amen

My creator, I am now willing that you should have all of me, the good and the bad. I pray that you now remove from me every single defect of character that stands in the way of my usefulness to you and my fellows. Grant me strength, as í go out from here to do thy bidding. Amen.

This is what the surrendered life begins like, is maintained like, and is completed like, putting everything in His hands continually.

As a tool to maintain the covenant, the contract, the personal relationship with God, the surrendered life or offering of ourselves to Him must be done a new every day. All day sometimes if needed.

When we see our surrendered life starts to look like what's being recited in those prayers, we know He is doing His part!

Questions?
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TheDivineWatermark

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Did you see where it states, all this stands in contrast to Belief

Here's how I'm seeing the sentence he put:

[quoting from Vine's (Vol. 2, pg 71, of 1981 copy ["...of OT and NT Words"]); with bold, underline and bracketed insert/comment mine, and slight difference of arrangement, so show my point; parenthesis original]

"All this stands in contrast to belief in its purely natural exercise, which consists of an opinion held in good faith without necessary reference to its proof. The object of Abraham's faith was

--not God's promise (that was the occasion of its exercise); [my comment: this would correspond to the underlined, above]

--his faith rested on God Himself, Rom. 4:17, 20, 21. See ASSURANCE, BELIEF, FAITHFULNESS, FIDELITY."

[end quoting]
 

calibob

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That's not saving Faith.

Go back and read all my posts including the OP.
No thanks I've just read (after dinner) Balaam's oracles from Numbers and the testimony of Steven before the Sanhedrin from Acts. What I've already written is plenty for Salvation. Nothing valid has been written regarding salvation, since the Revelation of John. Go read your own Bible and stop spreading heresy like fertilizer to the saved.
 
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UnderGrace

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I did word for word out of the Vines. Even Google gets that one right.

Done playing your games. I had hoped you were serious about the first question, turns out your just playing.

You've had your fun, now you get to be seen by God asa dishonest reporter. Congrats!
I have no idea what you are talking about...I have read through the thread twice.

Where did you post word for word?

What is the number of the post.... I did not see it sourced?
 
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Faith - Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words

Faith


The main elements in "faith" in its relation to the invisible God, as distinct from "faith" in man, are especially brought out in the use of this noun and the corresponding verb, pisteuo; they are

(1) a firm conviction, producing a full acknowledgement of God's revelation or truth, e.g., 2 Thessalonians 2:11-12;

(2) a personal surrender to Him, John 1:12;

(3) a conduct inspired by such surrender, 2 Corinthians 5:7. Prominence is given to one or other of these elements according to the context. All this stands in contrast to belief in its purely natural exercise, which consists of an opinion held in good "faith" without necessary reference to its proof. The object of Abraham's "faith" was not God's promise (that was the occasion of its exercise); his "faith" rested on God Himself, Romans 4:17, Romans 4:20-Romans 4:21. See ASSURANCE, BELIEF, FAITHFULNESS, FIDELITY

This is the way I see it.
 

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"By faith [Pistei - G4102 - noun] Abraham, being tested, has offered up Isaac. Even the one having received the promises was offering up his only begotten son, as to whom it was said, "In Isaac your offspring will be reckoned," having reasoned [G3049 - logisamenos / logizomai] that God was able even to raise him out from the dead, from where he received him also in a simile." - Hebrews 11:17-19.
 
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Here's how I'm seeing the sentence he put:

[quoting from Vine's (Vol. 2, pg 71, of 1981 copy ["...of OT and NT Words"]); with bold, underline and bracketed insert/comment mine, and slight difference of arrangement, so show my point; parenthesis original]

"All this stands in contrast to belief in its purely natural exercise, which consists of an opinion held in good faith without necessary reference to its proof. The object of Abraham's faith was

--not God's promise (that was the occasion of its exercise); [my comment: this would correspond to the underlined, above]

--his faith rested on God Himself, Rom. 4:17, 20, 21. See ASSURANCE, BELIEF, FAITHFULNESS, FIDELITY."

[end quoting]
With all undue respect Vines is an English word dictionary using Strongs numbering. It is not a Greek lexicon.

This is a Greek lexicon:

http://lareopage.free.fr/a&g/main.htm
 

TheDivineWatermark

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With all undue respect Vines is an English word dictionary using Strongs numbering. It is not a Greek lexicon.

This is a Greek lexicon:
I was only endeavoring to comment on "[member] Pisteuo's" partial quoting of the sentence in the Vine's (that he was using to try to make his point, which [entire sentence] I'm thinking didn't support his point, from what I can tell.)
 
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con·trast




Contrast
noun
/ˈkänˌtrast/
  1. 1.
    the state of being strikingly different from something else in juxtaposition or close association.
    "the day began cold and blustery, in contrast to almost two weeks of uninterrupted sunshine"
    synonyms:difference, dissimilarity, disparity, dissimilitude, distinction, contradistinction, divergence, variance, variation, differentiation; More






verb
/ˈkänˌtrast,kənˈtrast/
  1. 1.
    differ strikingly.
    "his friend's success contrasted with his own failure"
    synonyms:differ from, be at variance with, be contrary to, conflict with, go against, be at odds with, be in opposition to, disagree with, clash with More

 

TheDivineWatermark

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Yeah, but I don't even think that's the point being made by Vine's there.
 
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My other question is do you also surrender the little details of what outfit to put on in the morning ...etc., etc.,
Maybe surrender also "which side of the bed should I get up from" :LOL:

You know the saying "don't want to get up on the wrong side of the bed"
 
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Pisteuo

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The continually surrendered life is the easiest way to define exactly what NT saving Faith is.

The application of NT saving Faith is communicated to us by the use of the Greek word pisteuo, 248 times in the NT.

Pisteuo is defined in the Vines Greek dictionary as, " A personal surrender to Him and a life inspired by such surrender. Producing a full acknowledgement of God's revelation of truth."

The Strong's Greek dictionary gives us an important disclaimer, it states," pisteuo means NOT just to believe!" The words the English language should have had for the translators are faithe, faither, and faithing.

The problem is the English language doesn't have a corresponding verb to the noun Pistis, where we get our English word Faith, like the Greek does. So the translators were forced to choose a different word to translate possibly the most important word in the Holy Scriptures. They chose the words believe, believer, and believing, which are a part of NT saving Faith, but taken on their own is error.

True NT saving Faith, pisteuo, is a verb, "an act based upon a Belief, sustained by confidence." We fulfill hundreds of acts of pisteuo or faithing every day all day. Each act of pisteuo or faithing is a specific act, based upon a specific belief, sustained by a specific kind of confidence.

NT saving Faith or pisteuo is specifically surrendering our life and will to Him. Based upon the specific belief that God will accept, maintain, sustain, transform the surrendered life. Sustained by a specific kind of confidence, in making the many daily decisions that support the fact our lives are not ours anymore but His now.

The question was asked, " what does the surrendered life look like in the Temporal.?"

To keep the surrender genuine, I can only show you what the beginning looks like, or how to start it.

God, I offer myself to thee, to have with me and to build with me as thou wills. Relieve me from the bondage of self, that victory over this may bear witness to those I would help of thy power, thy love, and thy way of life. May I do thy will always. Amen

My creator, I am now willing that you should have all of me, the good and the bad. I pray that you now remove from me every single defect of character that stands in the way of my usefulness to you and my fellows. Grant me strength, as í go out from here to do thy bidding. Amen.

This is what the surrendered life begins like, is maintained like, and is completed like, putting everything in His hands continually.

As a tool to maintain the covenant, the contract, the personal relationship with God, the surrendered life or offering of ourselves to Him must be done a new every day. All day sometimes if needed.

When we see our surrendered life starts to look like what's being recited in those prayers, we know He is doing His part!

Questions?
A surrendered life can have no expectation of something in return. Just as the prayers I shared, there's nothing in it for us.
 
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