A golden key to understand the book of Revelations

[LactoseIntolerant]

What you write will be declared as MYTH by billions of believers. It is all the word of God and the word of TRUTH.

Why should I worry about a billion "believers" of false doctrines all held together by political correctness and ecumenical fervor. I (and everyone) should worry about what God wants and follow the Scriptures faithfully. In your prison of the fables and fantasies, to which synagogue do you belong?

Rapture, RFID chips? Why not go full retard and say flying spaghetti monsters. Revelation is an oracle against Christians, not some fantasy puzzle that you piece together on a hope and whim.

Right now I see alot of leftover manna at the dinner party.

 

[DavidTree]

The book came without a title, the title was added to it. The opening line should read.

The revelation to John, the revelation of Jesus Christ which God gave him [John] to show unto His servants and He made it known by sending His angel to His servant John.

It is not revelations it is revelation, the revelation of Jesus Christ, that is to say His revelation from heaven or His coming again.

John says he was in the Spirit on the Lord's day. It is not Sunday [quaint] it is the day of the Lord. John was taken to witness what all would happen in that period of time known as the day of the Lord.

Look here the church will not be here, after chapter 4 John hears a voice saying come up here and he is taken into heaven, from there on he is watching from heaven which is where the church will be.

The rest of the book concerns the then converted Jews and God's dealings with the nations.

The Body of Christ is throughout Revelation from chapter 1 thru to 22

It is a terrible sin to separate the Body of Christ.

This false teaching of separation comes from the lie of pre-trib rapture as once a lie is embraced it spreads to more lies.

The Golden KEY to understanding Revelation was commanded by God: Deut 4:1-2 , Proverbs 30:5-6 , Revelation 22:18-19

For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

Revelation chapter 1 Opens with
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants—things which must shortly take place. And He sent and signified it by His angel to His servant John, who bore witness to the word of God, and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, to all things that he saw. Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written in it; for the time is near.

Write the things which you have seen, and the things which are, and the things which will take place after this.

Revelation chapter 22 Ends with the SAME Message as it Opened with = to the churches/saints/overcomers who are the Body of Christ

Then he said to me, “These words are faithful and true.” And the Lord God of the holy prophets sent His angel to show His servants the things which must shortly take place.

“Behold, I am coming quickly! Blessed is he who keeps the words of the prophecy of this book.”
“I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things in the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, the Bright and Morning Star.”


REPENT from believing and promoting a lie of separation of the Body of Christ

Whoever holds to the false teaching of pre-trib rapture and the separating of the Body of Christ is in sin.

No lie is of the Truth - 1 John 2:21

pre-trib rapture is a vile lie that never came out of the mouth of God.

REPENT and turn your hearts to Christ - Do not add to God's words what HE never said.

 

[DavidTree]

but soon after John arrived in heaven he saw the church in heaven. They had come out of great tribulation.

John witnessed the souls/spirits of all Saints who have died in Christ - not one raptured Saint is in Revelation until chapters 19 -20.

The Golden KEY to Understanding
For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

 

[DavidTree]

That's clear as day to me. As a "type" of the rapture it fails miserably.

1. There's no church, only John; so you have to imagine John is a figure for the whole church.

2. John is "in the spirit," he's not taken bodily into heaven.

3. You have to imagine that the first three chapters figuratively represent all the church ages up until the rapture.

4. You have to imagine that "the things which must be after this" (Rev. 4:1) refers to things that occur after the end of the church age and the rapture.

5. There's no trumpet (1 Thess. 4:16). Revelation 4:1 says the voice was "like" a trumpet but it doesn't say there was a trumpet.

6. It doesn't say the voice was like that of an archangel (1 Thess. 4:16).

7. The Lord doesn't descend (1 Thess. 4:16); there's only a voice coming from heaven.

You have to do a whole lot of wishful thinking to make Revelation 4:1-2 into the rapture. I know it's comforting to people to think they won't have to go through the tribulation. I get that. It's a lot less depressing than the alternative. But I'd rather be depressed for a season and know the truth than deceive myself.

You said: "You have to do a whole lot of wishful thinking to make Revelation 4:1-2 into the rapture. I know it's comforting to people to think they won't have to go through the tribulation. I get that. It's a lot less depressing than the alternative.
But I'd rather be depressed for a season and know the truth than deceive myself."

Dear Brother, this is the truth of the fellowship in His sufferings - the world/religion hate the truth and those who speak truth.

It is easier t believe the comfort of a lie then the hard reality of truth.

the Apostle Paul was hated and despised by most at the end of his ministry. Religion had sprung forth - again.

 

[DavidTree]

"Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. [...] And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise." - Galatians 3:16&29 KJV

The concept you present is not scripturally sound.

AMEN AMEN AMEN.

There is a vile lie of satan being perpetuated today that separates the Body of Christ.

What God has joined together let no man separate - Mark 10:9

 

[lamad]

AMEN AMEN AMEN.

There is a vile lie of satan being perpetuated today that separates the Body of Christ.

What God has joined together let no man separate - Mark 10:9

The body of Christ on earth today is all those who are born again.

You speak of separation: what is God to do? He cannot override people's wills. If someone chooses to believe they will see the Antichrist Beast, He, God, will honor that faith and they will not be found worthy to escape what is coming. On the other hand, those that believe in His coming FOR His saints will be praying to be found worthy to escape. See how easy God made this?

At Christ's coming to Armageddon, all those that are His will be coming with Him, all in Resurrection bodies—New Testament saints and Old Testament saints. But some of they will have been beheaded by the Beast system because they chose not to take God's escape plan. The "first resurrection" will be completed as He leave's heaven on the white horse.

 

[lamad]

John witnessed the souls/spirits of all Saints who have died in Christ - not one raptured Saint is in Revelation until chapters 19 -20.

The Golden KEY to Understanding
For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

That is a theory, but it does not fit all end times scriptures. By the time Jesus gets on the white horse, after the marriage and supper, all saints will be mounting white horses to come with Him - all with resurrection bodies. By the time of the marriage and supper, the "first resurrection" will be complete.

 

[lamad]

The Body of Christ is throughout Revelation from chapter 1 thru to 22

It is a terrible sin to separate the Body of Christ.

This false teaching of separation comes from the lie of pre-trib rapture as once a lie is embraced it spreads to more lies.

The Golden KEY to understanding Revelation was commanded by God: Deut 4:1-2 , Proverbs 30:5-6 , Revelation 22:18-19

For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

Revelation chapter 1 Opens with
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants—things which must shortly take place. And He sent and signified it by His angel to His servant John, who bore witness to the word of God, and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, to all things that he saw. Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written in it; for the time is near.

Write the things which you have seen, and the things which are, and the things which will take place after this.

Revelation chapter 22 Ends with the SAME Message as it Opened with = to the churches/saints/overcomers who are the Body of Christ

Then he said to me, “These words are faithful and true.” And the Lord God of the holy prophets sent His angel to show His servants the things which must shortly take place.

“Behold, I am coming quickly! Blessed is he who keeps the words of the prophecy of this book.”
“I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things in the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, the Bright and Morning Star.”


REPENT from believing and promoting a lie of separation of the Body of Christ

Whoever holds to the false teaching of pre-trib rapture and the separating of the Body of Christ is in sin.

No lie is of the Truth - 1 John 2:21

pre-trib rapture is a vile lie that never came out of the mouth of God.

REPENT and turn your hearts to Christ - Do not add to God's words what HE never said.

You are going to be SO EMBARRASSED when you find out Jesus comes pretrib and you are left behind. WHY will you be left behind? Simply because you have NO FAITH in His pretrib coming. You won't be "looking" for His coming.

How many times must I remind you that John saw the great crowd too large to number, and wrote of it in chapter 7. NOT IN CHAPTER 19! The church will be in heaven before the 7th seal starts the 70th week.

You just keep digging a deeper hole.

 

[lamad]

Why should I worry about a billion "believers" of false doctrines all held together by political correctness and ecumenical fervor. I (and everyone) should worry about what God wants and follow the Scriptures faithfully. In your prison of the fables and fantasies, to which synagogue do you belong?

Rapture, RFID chips? Why not go full retard and say flying spaghetti monsters. Revelation is an oracle against Christians, not some fantasy puzzle that you piece together on a hope and whim.

Right now I see alot of leftover manna at the dinner party.

Your posts are not worth responding too. You believe what you believe and will have to live with the consequences. We ALL reap what we sow.

 

[DavidTree]

The body of Christ on earth today is all those who are born again.

You speak of separation: what is God to do? He cannot override people's wills. If someone chooses to believe they will see the Antichrist Beast, He, God, will honor that faith and they will not be found worthy to escape what is coming. On the other hand, those that believe in His coming FOR His saints will be praying to be found worthy to escape. See how easy God made this?

At Christ's coming to Armageddon, all those that are His will be coming with Him, all in Resurrection bodies—New Testament saints and Old Testament saints. But some of they will have been beheaded by the Beast system because they chose not to take God's escape plan. The "first resurrection" will be completed as He leave's heaven on the white horse.

You really desire lies and to embelish them - complete lack of the fear of God

God will do what HE said, HE always has and always will.

What a man sows that also shall he reap - you will reap from "adding to and taking away from God's words."

When you stand before Him HE will ask you why, and HE will bring before you His Words and the words of Saints who warned you.

This is how HE judges, always has, HE does not change neither is there any shadow of turning with Him.

It is in your best interest to obey Christ: Deut 4:1-2 , Proverbs 30:5-6 , Revelation 22:18-19

No lie is of the truth - 1 John 2:21

 

[lamad]

He was taken in the spirit to the Lord's so there is your rapture ...

Wrong. the church is the one who takes the gospel to the world as represented by the first seal. And the church is still on earth at the 5th seal, and member after member is picked off and made a martyr.

You can be sure of this: the rapture will certainly come before Jesus opens the 6th seal that starts the Day of His wrath.

 

[lamad]

That's clear as day to me. As a "type" of the rapture it fails miserably.

1. There's no church, only John; so you have to imagine John is a figure for the whole church.

2. John is "in the spirit," he's not taken bodily into heaven.

3. You have to imagine that the first three chapters figuratively represent all the church ages up until the rapture.

4. You have to imagine that "the things which must be after this" (Rev. 4:1) refers to things that occur after the end of the church age and the rapture.

5. There's no trumpet (1 Thess. 4:16). Revelation 4:1 says the voice was "like" a trumpet but it doesn't say there was a trumpet.

6. It doesn't say the voice was like that of an archangel (1 Thess. 4:16).

7. The Lord doesn't descend (1 Thess. 4:16); there's only a voice coming from heaven.

You have to do a whole lot of wishful thinking to make Revelation 4:1-2 into the rapture. I know it's comforting to people to think they won't have to go through the tribulation. I get that. It's a lot less depressing than the alternative. But I'd rather be depressed for a season and know the truth than deceive myself.

Right: it is only a lot of imagination.

 

[lamad]

"Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. [...] And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise." - Galatians 3:16&29 KJV

The concept you present is not scripturally sound.

In a way he is right: we will be judges for the Jews that are enjoying the Millennial Reign of Christ.

 

[DavidTree]

That is a theory, but it does not fit all end times scriptures. By the time Jesus gets on the white horse, after the marriage and supper, all saints will be mounting white horses to come with Him - all with resurrection bodies. By the time of the marriage and supper, the "first resurrection" will be complete.

Deut 4:1-2 , Proverbs 30:5-6 , Revelation 22:18-19 are One Eternal Commandment

Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. - Matthew 24:35

Matthew chapter 24 - His words will never pass away - your words will burn up.

Now if anyone builds on this foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw, 13each one’s work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one’s work, of what sort it is. 14If anyone’s work which he has built on it endures, he will receive a reward. 15If anyone’s work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.

 

[DavidTree]

You are going to be SO EMBARRASSED when you find out Jesus comes pretrib and you are left behind. WHY will you be left behind? Simply because you have NO FAITH in His pretrib coming. You won't be "looking" for His coming.

How many times must I remind you that John saw the great crowd too large to number, and wrote of it in chapter 7. NOT IN CHAPTER 19! The church will be in heaven before the 7th seal starts the 70th week.

You just keep digging a deeper hole.

The bottonless hole is for those who "add to and take away" from God's words, as satan did in the Garden and does so now today.

My words AGREE with Christ's and never add to them or take away from them - i am CLEAN by the washing of His Word.

i bow my knee before His Word, for it is LIFE to all who do.

 

[DavidTree]

You are going to be SO EMBARRASSED when you find out Jesus comes pretrib and you are left behind. WHY will you be left behind? Simply because you have NO FAITH in His pretrib coming. You won't be "looking" for His coming.

How many times must I remind you that John saw the great crowd too large to number, and wrote of it in chapter 7. NOT IN CHAPTER 19! The church will be in heaven before the 7th seal starts the 70th week.

You just keep digging a deeper hole.

Then one of the elders addressed me: “These in white robes,” he asked, “who are they, and where have they come from?”
“Sir,” I answered, “you know.”
So he replied, “These are the ones who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. For this reason,

These Saints/Body pf Christ/Bride of Christ came "OUT OF Great Tribulation" = Revelation 6:9-11 = they are Christ's witnesses.

NO pre-trib rapture Saints - they do not exist in Revelation or Scripture.

Anyone who adds pre-trib rapture to Scripture is lying.

REPENT

 

[lamad]

Do YOU know? there is a variety of opinions on who and what is restraining the mystery of iniquity, the working of Satan. the who and the what are connected.

Some of us do not think it is proper to say "the Holy Spirit will be taken out of the way" which is what you believe.

What is the mystery of iniquity and what restrains it? is it not the law? and the custodians of the law are angels and the chief of the angels is Michael. We see in the garden how God set the angel with the flaming sword to guard the tree of life lest man should stretch forth his hand and eat of it. The mystery of iniquity is man's striving for everlasting life ... without repentance.

The truth is, Paul TOLD US, but did it in a cloaked manner, perhaps so if his letter fell into Roman hands they would not understand. It seems he wrote it so only those who had his first letter would understand.

Did you notice how the earliest translations did verse 3?

1384 Wycliffe N.T.
That no man deceyue you in any maner / for no but departynge aweye (or dissencon) schal come firste & the man of synne schall be schewid [shewed] the sone of perdicioune.

1534 Tyndale N.T.
Let no ma deceave you by eny meanes for the lorde commeth not excepte ther come a departynge fyrst and that that synfnll man be opened ye sonne of perdicion

1535 Coverdale Bible
Let no man disceaue you by eny meanes. For the LORDE commeth not, excepte the departynge come first, and that Man of Synne be opened, even the sonne of perdicion.

1539 Cranmer Great Bible
Let no man deceaue you by any meanes, for the Lorde shall not come excepte there come a departinge fyrst, & that that synfull man be opened, the sonne of perdicion.

1549 Matthew's Bible
Let no man deceyue you by any meanes, for the Lord commeth not, except there come a departyng first, and that, that sinful man be opened, the sonne of perdicyon

1565 Beza Bible
Let no man deceiue you by any meanes: for [that day shall not come,] except there come a departing first, and that man of sinne be disclosed, [euen] the son of perdition.

1575 Geneva Bible
Let no man deceiue you by any meanes for that day shal not come, except there come a departing first, and that man of sinne be disclosed, euen the sonne of perdition.

Considering Paul's theme, the gathering (which will be departed from the earth as they are called up) which will be at His coming.

In short, the church is who is "taken out of the way" at this significant departing. It is the Holy Spirit, working through the church who is the restraining power. And it will be the power of the Holy Spirit that will empty the graves and catch us up.

Paul's argument is that this significant departing (the departing of the church) must come FIRST, then the man of sin will be revealed. And then, whoever sees these two events will have positive proof they are in the Day of the Lord - that it has already started.

Of course, some will say that it is the falling away (or the lack thereof before it happens) that is the restraining force. But if that were Paul's meaning, then where is his theme satisfied? (there can be no doubt the way Paul wrote this passage that the restraining force restraining, then taken out of the way has to be in that Greek word, Apostasia.

 

[DavidTree]

The truth is, Paul TOLD US, but did it in a cloaked manner, perhaps so if his letter fell into Roman hands they would not understand. It seems he wrote it so only those who had his first letter would understand.

Did you notice how the earliest translations did verse 3?

1384 Wycliffe N.T.
That no man deceyue you in any maner / for no but departynge aweye (or dissencon) schal come firste & the man of synne schall be schewid [shewed] the sone of perdicioune.

1534 Tyndale N.T.
Let no ma deceave you by eny meanes for the lorde commeth not excepte ther come a departynge fyrst and that that synfnll man be opened ye sonne of perdicion

1535 Coverdale Bible
Let no man disceaue you by eny meanes. For the LORDE commeth not, excepte the departynge come first, and that Man of Synne be opened, even the sonne of perdicion.

1539 Cranmer Great Bible
Let no man deceaue you by any meanes, for the Lorde shall not come excepte there come a departinge fyrst, & that that synfull man be opened, the sonne of perdicion.

1549 Matthew's Bible
Let no man deceyue you by any meanes, for the Lord commeth not, except there come a departyng first, and that, that sinful man be opened, the sonne of perdicyon

1565 Beza Bible
Let no man deceiue you by any meanes: for [that day shall not come,] except there come a departing first, and that man of sinne be disclosed, [euen] the son of perdition.

1575 Geneva Bible
Let no man deceiue you by any meanes for that day shal not come, except there come a departing first, and that man of sinne be disclosed, euen the sonne of perdition.

Considering Paul's theme, the gathering (which will be departed from the earth as they are called up) which will be at His coming.

In short, the church is who is "taken out of the way" at this significant departing. It is the Holy Spirit, working through the church who is the restraining power. And it will be the power of the Holy Spirit that will empty the graves and catch us up.

Paul's argument is that this significant departing (the departing of the church) must come FIRST, then the man of sin will be revealed. And then, whoever sees these two events will have positive proof they are in the Day of the Lord - that it has already started.

Of course, some will say that it is the falling away (or the lack thereof before it happens) that is the restraining force. But if that were Paul's meaning, then where is his theme satisfied? (there can be no doubt the way Paul wrote this passage that the restraining force restraining, then taken out of the way has to be in that Greek word, Apostasia.

You said: "Paul's argument is that this significant departing (the departing of the church) must come FIRST"

This is complete LIE = REPENT from lying by "adding to God's words as satan did in the Garden - REPENT

Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition,

Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, 1 Timothy 4:1

Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour.
They went out/departed from us(faith in Christ), but they were not of us;
for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us;
but they went out/departed that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us.
2 John 2:18-19

the LORD Jesus Christ says: "At that time many will fall away and will betray and hate one another," - Matthew 24:10

 

[LactoseIntolerant]

I think I will let the Scriptures have the last word.

2 Timothy 4:2Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. 3For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

Can't wait till babylon falls!

 

[ResidentAlien]

He was taken in the spirit to the Lord's so there is your rapture ...