A Jew is not one outwardly, but inward

[InSpiritInTruth]

Romans 2:28-29 "For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:[SUP]29 [/SUP]But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel.

Romans 9:6-9[SUP] "[/SUP]Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.

[SUP]8 [/SUP]That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

The Promise of the Father is the seal of the Holy Spirit....nothing to do with flesh and blood, but rather the children of faith are counted for the seed.


Galatians 3:7
Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

 

[MarcR]

If you are saying that God does not show favoritism within the Church based on ethnic considerations, I agree with you.

If you are saying that, from God's point of view, the Church is now included in Israel by adoption, I agree with you.

If you are saying that God's promises to ethnic Israel are withdrawn, I disagree and Scripture supports my disagreement.

Please clarify your intent.

 

[JesusIsAll]

If you are saying that God does not show favoritism within the Church based on ethnic considerations, I agree with you.

If you are saying that, from God's point of view, the Church is now included in Israel by adoption, I agree with you.

If you are saying that God's promises to ethnic Israel are withdrawn, I disagree and Scripture supports my disagreement.

Please clarify your intent.

God's promises to Israel are forever and irrevocable. Which part of this people don't understand, especially the "for," or perhaps the "ever" part? Replacement theology is often a centerpiece of cults, who are a day late and a dollar short of Bible understanding. (Surprise, surprise, eh? Never ceases to amaze, all those who believe the Bible says anything, but what it says.) Not to derail, but Mr. Netanyahu reiterated, in an article I saw today, that Jerusalem will not be divided again, this in the face of a whole world, with carving knives out these days. May just may remind people a little of,

Zechariah 12:2 Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem.

 

[crossnote]

Rom 9:1 I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost,
Rom 9:2 That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart.
Rom 9:3 For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:
Rom 9:4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;
Rom 9:5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
Rom 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
Rom 9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
Rom 9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.


The whole context of this is Israel...not the Church. It is a comparison between natural Israel which had faith in the promise and natural Israel without faith. The former is the true Israel....and so on and so forth.

 

[JesusIsAll]

The viciousness in these times in unparalleled of anything I've seen, against Israel, the raging antisemitism. I don't know how much global news commentary people read, but Zionism is a dirty word. It is used as an insult. But think about it. God is a Zionist. It is He who promised the land to Israel, in an everlasting covenant. It is He who brings Israel back to the land, and to Jerusalem, because prophecies of this and the millennial kingdom are all over the Old Testament, as well as in the eschatology of the New Testament.

This is to say, you're sitting in a world of people who are very anti-God, what amounts to sitting down for tea with Hitler, in the daily news anymore, subscribing to Satan's plan to destroy Israel. It's as if nothing was learned from WWII. Now, we're sucking Iran's kneecaps. It's just in-your-face Satanism, and I believe most of this hatred is something people don't even know that evil spiritual forces are driving them. I've here and there, mischievous and up to no good in a way, just made a statement of believing in Zionism on some news site, that Israel is God's will, to see what happens. I'd not doubt if a few died of the paroxysms of hatred they spewed, exclamation mark keys clean worn off, you'd have to imagine! It's plain, rabid unnatural, demonic out there, and it's working its way into all the politicians.

 

[SeaBass]

Romans 2:28-29 "For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:[SUP]29 [/SUP]But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel.

Romans 9:6-9[SUP] "[/SUP]Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.

[SUP]8 [/SUP]That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

The Promise of the Father is the seal of the Holy Spirit....nothing to do with flesh and blood, but rather the children of faith are counted for the seed.


Galatians 3:7
Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

inward, spiritual Jew = Christian [Rom 2:28,29]
Spiritual Israel = church [Gal 6:16]

 

[jahsoul]

Rom 9:1 I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost,
Rom 9:2 That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart.
Rom 9:3 For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:
Rom 9:4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;
Rom 9:5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
Rom 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
Rom 9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
Rom 9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.


The whole context of this is Israel...not the Church. It is a comparison between natural Israel which had faith in the promise and natural Israel without faith. The former is the true Israel....and so on and so forth.

So if we cross reference this with Galatians 3, are we just reading one huge contradiction?

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

If you are saying that God does not show favoritism within the Church based on ethnic considerations, I agree with you.

If you are saying that, from God's point of view, the Church is now included in Israel by adoption, I agree with you.

If you are saying that God's promises to ethnic Israel are withdrawn, I disagree and Scripture supports my disagreement.

Please clarify your intent.

The Lord does not judge a man by appearances, or outwardly by the flesh, but looks on the heart.

1 Samuel 16:7
But the Lord said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused him: for the Lord seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the Lord looketh on the heart.

John 8:15
Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man.

 

[Blain]

Jew Christian believer whatever one wants to be called, But my favorite is child of God.

 

[crossnote]

So if we cross reference this with Galatians 3, are we just reading one huge contradiction?

Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.
(Gal 3:7-9)

nope.

 

[passing_through]

I am tired of the whole Christians are Jews now thing, it get real old.

 

[sltaylor]

The viciousness in these times in unparalleled of anything I've seen, against Israel, the raging antisemitism. I don't know how much global news commentary people read, but Zionism is a dirty word. It is used as an insult. But think about it. God is a Zionist. It is He who promised the land to Israel, in an everlasting covenant. It is He who brings Israel back to the land, and to Jerusalem, because prophecies of this and the millennial kingdom are all over the Old Testament, as well as in the eschatology of the New Testament.

This is to say, you're sitting in a world of people who are very anti-God, what amounts to sitting down for tea with Hitler, in the daily news anymore, subscribing to Satan's plan to destroy Israel. It's as if nothing was learned from WWII. Now, we're sucking Iran's kneecaps. It's just in-your-face Satanism, and I believe most of this hatred is something people don't even know that evil spiritual forces are driving them. I've here and there, mischievous and up to no good in a way, just made a statement of believing in Zionism on some news site, that Israel is God's will, to see what happens. I'd not doubt if a few died of the paroxysms of hatred they spewed, exclamation mark keys clean worn off, you'd have to imagine! It's plain, rabid unnatural, demonic out there, and it's working its way into all the politicians.

Ezekiel 34
*"I will tend them in a good pasture, and the mountain heights of Israel*will be their grazing land. There they will lie down in good grazing land, and there they will feed in a rich pasture*on the mountains of Israel."

Now if he is the gate into heaven, and we are his sheep and his kingdom was not of this earth, what promised pasture land is this Ezekiel is speaking of?

The mountain heights of Israel....this is the GOOD PASTURE.
"You have come to Mt. Zion, the heavenly JERUSALEM"

 

[crossnote]

So if we cross reference this with Galatians 3, are we just reading one huge contradiction?

In detail...


"Some will argue that all this is mere semantics and will use certain biblical texts to show that in some way Gentiles become Jews, whether by a spiritual transformation or by some other mystical act.

One of these is Galatians 3:6–9:
Even as Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned unto him for righteousness. Know therefore that they that are of faith, the same are sons of Abraham. And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the Gospel beforehand unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all the nations be blessed. So then they that are of faith are blessed with the faithful Abraham.

Thus, if Gentile believers become the children of Abraham by faith, does that not make them “spiritual Jews?” Not at all. Even in the physical realm not all the children of Abraham are Jews. Arabs are as much the descendants of Abraham as Jews, but in no way can they be classified as Jews. What is true of the physical is also true of the spiritual realm; being children of Abraham by faith is not enough to make one a Jew.
What then is the meaning of this passage? To begin with, it should be noted that the context is concerned with the question of whether salvation is by works or by grace through faith. The Hebrew concept of “children” or “sons” often has the meaning of “followers.” The point is that Abraham was declared righteous on the basis of faith and not on that of works. The true followers of Abraham, then, are those who are considered righteous on the same basis as Abraham, who practiced faith rather than works to attain salvation. The Gentile Galatians were never said to become Jews, but rather children of Abraham. Being a child of Abraham alone is not enough to make one a Jew. As shown earlier, one must be a child of Jacob to be a Jew."


Fruchtenbaum, A. G. (1994). Israelology: the missing link in systematic theology (Rev. ed., pp. 700–701). Tustin, CA: Ariel Ministries.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

I am tired of the whole Christians are Jews now thing, it get real old.

Maybe you would like these verses better....

Galatians 3:27-29[SUP]27 [/SUP]For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

 

[Desdichado]

In detail...


"Some will argue that all this is mere semantics and will use certain biblical texts to show that in some way Gentiles become Jews, whether by a spiritual transformation or by some other mystical act.

One of these is Galatians 3:6–9:
Even as Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned unto him for righteousness. Know therefore that they that are of faith, the same are sons of Abraham. And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the Gospel beforehand unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all the nations be blessed. So then they that are of faith are blessed with the faithful Abraham.

Thus, if Gentile believers become the children of Abraham by faith, does that not make them “spiritual Jews?” Not at all. Even in the physical realm not all the children of Abraham are Jews. Arabs are as much the descendants of Abraham as Jews, but in no way can they be classified as Jews. What is true of the physical is also true of the spiritual realm; being children of Abraham by faith is not enough to make one a Jew.
What then is the meaning of this passage? To begin with, it should be noted that the context is concerned with the question of whether salvation is by works or by grace through faith. The Hebrew concept of “children” or “sons” often has the meaning of “followers.” The point is that Abraham was declared righteous on the basis of faith and not on that of works. The true followers of Abraham, then, are those who are considered righteous on the same basis as Abraham, who practiced faith rather than works to attain salvation. The Gentile Galatians were never said to become Jews, but rather children of Abraham. Being a child of Abraham alone is not enough to make one a Jew. As shown earlier, one must be a child of Jacob to be a Jew."


Fruchtenbaum, A. G. (1994). Israelology: the missing link in systematic theology (Rev. ed., pp. 700–701). Tustin, CA: Ariel Ministries.

To quote the great theologian, Lady Gaga:

I'm on the right track, baby
I was born this way



Tribe of Levi. Accept no imitations.

 

[DesiredHaven]

Might mean Galation verses which speaks of the Son of God (Son of promise) Abrahams seed (Christ) and those who belong to Christ according to the promise (Spirit) of Jesus Christ

Gal 3:16

Now to Abraham and his seed
were the promises made.

He saith not,

And to seeds, as of many;

but as of one, And to thy seed,

which is Christ.

To Abraham and Christ (the son) of the promise (the Spirit)

Luke 24:49 And, behold, (likewise)

I send the promise of my Father (upon you):...

Acts 2:33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted,

and having received of the Father the promise of ( the Holy Ghost)

he hath shed forth ( this )
which (ye) now see and hear.

Again...

He saith not, And to seeds,

as of many;

but as of one,

And to thy seed,

which is Christ.

If you are Christ's ye are Abrahams seed

Gal 3:29
And if ye be Christ's,
(then) are ye Abraham's seed,
and heirs according to the promise (The Spirit)

Romans 8:9...
Now if any man have not (the Spirit) of Christ,
he is (none) of his.

Romans 8:16
(The Spirit) itself beareth witness with our spirit,
that we are the children (of God):

Romans 8:17
And if children,
then heirs; heirs (of God ),
and joint-heirs with Christ;
if so be that we suffer with him,
that we may be also glorified together.

Gal 4:28 Now we, brethren,
as Isaac was, are the children (of promise).

Gal 4:29 But as then he that was born after (the flesh)
persecuted him that was born after (the Spirit)
even so it is now.

Romans 8:9...
Now if any manhave not (the Spirit) of Christ,
he is (none) of his.

 

[crossnote]

To quote the great theologian, Lady Gaga:

I'm on the right track, baby
I was born this way

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Tribe of Levi. Accept no imitations.

No fair, ya got a head start.

 

[Desdichado]

No fair, ya got a head start.

All men are made equal...but some are more equal than others.

 

[crossnote]

All men are made equal...but some are more equal than others.

“The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.” -Orwell

 

[DesiredHaven]

Romans 2:28-29
For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly;
neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
But he is a Jew,
which is one inwardly;
and circumcision is that of the heart,
in the spirit, and not in the letter;
whose praise is not of men,
but of God.

For they are not
all Israel,
which are of Israel.

Romans 9:6-9[SUP]
[/SUP]Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect.
For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham,
are they all children:
but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.

That is,
They which are the children of the flesh,
these are not the children of God:
but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

The Promise of the Father is the seal of the Holy Spirit....
nothing to do with flesh and blood,
but rather the children of faith are counted for the seed.

Galations 3:7
Know ye therefore that they which are of faith,
the same are the children of Abraham.


1 Corinth 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body,
whether we be Jews or Gentiles,
whether we be bond or free;
and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Great verses!
(P.S love the coloring/style)
(LOL!) Just messing.

I kept the verses the same I was just thinking of what to add and I got brain freeze