A Lesson in Love

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I think you’ll find that the thirteenth chapter of First Corinthians is a great lesson in love. I will copy it into the end of this post in case you want to review it.

I recently was told that if someone disagrees with me, that it is good to ignore the Apostle Paul’s teachings regarding love, and use insults and sarcasm to make my point. The same person then says we are not Christians unless we follow Paul. So which is it? Are we supposed to ignore his teachings when we find them inconvenient or are we to follow him?

When you use sarcasm and insults to win people over to the Lord, you just hurt their feelings and motivate them to do the opposite as you want them to. It is counterproductive.

A tool that actually works is truth. When you use truth, countering each of their faulty arguments with truthful ones, they eventually run out of arguments and have to admit that you are right.


1 Corinthians 13 (RSV):

[1] If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal.
[2] And if I have prophetic powers, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing.
[3] If I give away all I have, and if I deliver my body to be burned, but have not love, I gain nothing.


[4] Love is patient and kind; love is not jealous or boastful;
[5] it is not arrogant or rude. Love does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful;
[6] it does not rejoice at wrong, but rejoices in the right.
[7] Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.


[8] Love never ends; as for prophecies, they will pass away; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will pass away.
[9] For our knowledge is imperfect and our prophecy is imperfect;
[10] but when the perfect comes, the imperfect will pass away.
[11] When I was a child, I spoke like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child; when I became a man, I gave up childish ways.
[12] For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall understand fully, even as I have been fully understood.
[13] So faith, hope, love abide, these three; but the greatest of these is love.

 
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I learned that one by heart once just to put it in my written exam :D One of my favorite bible verses ^^
 

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My mom had this written and hung in front of the toilet in our bathroom growing up. Seemed weird to some but we all read it several times daily. I have done the same in my home. Since the greatest comandment is that we should love the Lord Our God, with all our mind, soul and streangth. And to love our neighbors as ourselves Jesus also said opon this all the law is based. I believe this is a very important scripture also. It is a beautiful discription of the acts of love. God bless, pickles
 
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Quote your pet verses 1 Cor 13 all your like but it doesn't mean that you aren't being loving if you offend someone.

The Jesus of the bible did offend people and did use insults. Did he contradict 1 Cor 13? Of course not.

Somehow you have twisted 1 Cor 13 to mean a general lovey dovey to everyone verse, when you'll note that it is spoken to a church which had a problem of division and disunity due to misuse of the spiritual gifts. Jesus was not lovey dovey to the pharisees and sadducees who opposed him. Quote me one verse where Jesus said "I love you" to a Pharisee opponent. Rather, Jesus called them vipers and white washed tombs. So when we say to a hardened unbeliever "jesus loves you" , are we really following in the footsteps of Christ, who would rather call them something else?
 
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There is one aspect of the love verses where offense in truth falls under:

1Co 13:6
love is not happy with evil, but is happy with the truth.


Love is not happy with evil - sometimes it is being loving by standing for the truth and that often can involve offense. The bible is full of irony and sarcasm. It's all part of not being happy with evil.
 
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The bible says God mocks and derides the wicked, and being God, so did Christ in his encounters with his opponents. And I can't see that we are not being loving if we do it too as led by the Spirit and following Christ. If we are following Christ we may mock and deride the wicked too. The problem is your idea of love comes from the hippies and Dalai Lama not from the true meaning of 'agape' spoken of in 1 Cor 13 which is not kissy kissy love towards others or avoiding to hurt their feelings no matter who they are. That's why the KJV renders it as 'charity'.

Psa 2:3 Let us break their bands in two and cast away their cords from us.

Psa 2:4 He who sits in the heavens shall laugh; Jehovah shall mock at them.

Psa 37:12 The wicked plots against the just, and gnashes on him with his teeth.

Psa 37:13 Jehovah laughs at him; for He sees that his day is coming.
 

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Quote your pet verses 1 Cor 13 all your like but it doesn't mean that you aren't being loving if you offend someone.

The Jesus of the bible did offend people and did use insults. Did he contradict 1 Cor 13? Of course not.

Somehow you have twisted 1 Cor 13 to mean a general lovey dovey to everyone verse, when you'll note that it is spoken to a church which had a problem of division and disunity due to misuse of the spiritual gifts. Jesus was not lovey dovey to the pharisees and sadducees who opposed him. Quote me one verse where Jesus said "I love you" to a Pharisee opponent. Rather, Jesus called them vipers and white washed tombs. So when we say to a hardened unbeliever "jesus loves you" , are we really following in the footsteps of Christ, who would rather call them something else?
Hey Mahagony, no one here said that one has to be all lovey dovey. We were just sharing our joy in one of the scriptures. You are correct, there are many about being tough in the word. Just because one mentions one , doesnt mean we forgot the rest. I have to remind myself daily about the Love of Our Lord God, otherwise it would be all to easy to let the wrongs of the world harden my heart. Every one of us carries the truth in our hearts. I think we just have to learn and respect that in Jesus's name.
Smiles and God bless, pickles
ps, one of these days I have to learn how to use the Icons. smile again and God bless, pickles
 
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