A look at Isaiah 40:3-41:16 and a few more verses

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BenAvraham

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ISAIAH 40:3 -41:16


The prophet echoes the future voice of Yochanan the Baptizer; “Prepare the Way of YHVH” Isn’t it interesting that one of the titles of Mashiach is “The Way?” So, could we say that this verse, in a way, is saying; “Prepare to meet Yeshua, who is the WAY, and who is YHVH in the flesh?”

“All flesh is grass and beauty likened unto a flower” are the words of the prophet, who speaks as the Ruach leads him. The grass withers away and so do flowers, the grass dries up and ends up “hay” which is eaten by cows, and flowers, well, they are thrown away or “pressed” between book pages. Kind of like having a picture of grandma and grandpa when they were young, yet, it tells the truth that our bodies wear down and our beauty and handsomeness go downhill. The only thing that remains is our soul, our spirit. Our soul and spirit receive the Word of Elohim, which is forever, and the “Living WORD” who is forever.

“He feeds His flock like a shepherd. He gathers the lambs with His arm, and carries them in His bosom, gently leading those who are with young” (vs 11)

What could the prophet be saying here? Adonai feeds the “flock” (us, we are his “b’nei Elohim) “sons (and daughters) of God, with His Word. We are his sheep and lambs. A lamb is a young sheep under a year old. He cares for ALL believers, both young in the faith and mature in the faith. He has us next to his “bosom” the “bosom” of a woman who gives forth milk to her child, and the Torah is His “milk” that nourishes us. He leads those who are young. We might liken that statement to congregations that have both young and old believers, not age-wise but “spiritual maturity” wise. Or…could we say pastors and rabbis and their congregation members? Something to think about.

“It is He who sits above the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers, who stretches out the heavens like a curtain and spreads them out like a tent to dwell in” (vs 22)

Wow, here is a revelation of the awesomeness of our God. A tent and a curtain are materials and fabric which can be folded and that can bend. Does this say that the universe has a curved structure? Does this explain how we can see starlight which comes from millions of light-years away, in a matter of seconds?

If you take a curtain or a tent, flatten them out, and mark one end with “A” and the other end with “B” and ask your friend, “What is the quickest way to get from point “A” to point “B”? your friend might say; “Draw a straight line from “A” to “B”. Well, that might be one of the ways, but not the quickest way. But if you “fold” the tent or curtain, from their “spread out” position, so that points “A” and “B” touch each other, then, you have simultaneous contact.

Time itself is affected. So, it might explain why we can see that starlight so far away, right away, by the bending of space-time, through the bending of the “curtain-tent” like expanse of the heavens. It might be that earth, where we “the grasshoppers (at least a grasshopper is a Kosher insect) live, is at the center of a possible wormhole in space where “A” and “B” touch? Only YHVH knows for sure. It’s something to think about.

The prophet is encouraging Israel saying that YHVH will support them, will protect them. Israel has been through a lot, they are weary of being persecuted, well, they went away from the LORD and went after false gods, yet, when they repent, YHVH will be there.

They are weary, weak, tired. Yes, when we do it in our own strength, yet when we go in the strength of YHVH, HE is our strength. We are not talking about physical strength, but spiritual strength. The physical is and always be physical. We can be strong physically by eating right, exercise, etc.…but we can be spiritually strong through prayer, reading God’s word, and just trusting in HIM for our needs.

“Thou art my servant, I have chosen thee and not cast thee away, fear not, for I am with thee, be not dismayed for I am thy God, I strengthen thee, help thee, uphold thee… (41:10)

What better promise from God do we have? He has chosen us as HIS people, through Yeshua, we become an active part of the commonwealth of Israel, and, as our LORD, and Master, He will provide.

MATT 5:1-48

There is a lot of meat in this chapter, besides the Beatitudes, which are “blessed are the…” poor in spirit, those who mourn, the meek (or humble) etc.… these we can understand, Yeshua is explaining this quite clearly. But there is another part which needs explanation. 5:17-18

“Think not that I am come to destroy the law or the prophets. I am not come to destroy but to fulfill. For verily I say unto thee, till heaven and earth pass, not one yod or tittle shall in no wise pass from the law till all be fulfilled”

This has been a misunderstood verse in many if not all Bible churches today. What is “Law?” in Latin we have the word “legis” which when translated into English, we get “law”. The problem is when we go into the original Hebrew the word in “Torah” which means “instruction, teaching". When translated correctly into Latin, it would have been; “disciplinam”, “educatio” “instructio” “mandatum” Any of these words would have been better than “legis”

In ancient Hebrew, when worded “destroy” and “fulfill” meant that “destroying” is “erroneous interpretation” and “fulfilling” meant “correctly interpreting”. Yeshua did indeed “fulfill” the Torah, the biggest and most important fulfillment was dying for our sins. He fulfilled the Old Testament sacrificial system of animal blood, using his own blood.

The Torah consists of commandments, 613 to be exact. If we say, “we no longer have to live by those old-fashioned laws, the “law” is over, finished, ended, then…why don’t we go out to rob a house, to take your neighbor’s wife, to murder someone you don’t like? Those commandments are part of the “law”, aren’t they? So, if it is over with, well, why not? Because Yeshua himself said so! That he didn’t come to “end “or “get rid of, or “abrogate” as some translations have.

Of course, many of the 613 commandments are not for today, since there is no more animal sacrifice nor Levitical priesthood, but many are STILL for today. That is the reason for Bible study, which ones are or not.

As our rabbi (now in heaven) once said; “Let’s not throw the baby out with the bathwater” Now, someone is going to write a comment saying; “But doesn’t the Word say if we break one commandment it is like breaking them all?” we are guilty then of breaking the entire “law”

The answer is that if one is trusting in obedience to the commandments as our method of gaining eternal life and acceptance by God, then, YES, we are guilty, since YHVH demands PERFECT holiness, Yet, our salvation does NOT depend on our obedience to the commandments, but in accepting Yeshua’s sacrifice, and trusting HIM as LORD and Savior. Our obedience to the commandments comes AS A RESULT OF our renewed relationship with YHVH through Yeshua

Are the heavens passed away yet? NO! is the earth still here? YES, is the WORD of God still here in our midst? YES, is the LIVING WORD in our hearts? YES!

ROMANS 4:1-25

“Abraham believed and it was reckoned to him for righteousness”

It wasn’t by the works of Abraham that he was considered “in right standing” before Adonai, (another way of saying; righteousness) It wasn’t because he was circumcised, it was that he “Believed” in the promise of Adonai, and his belief, he followed His lead to the Land of Canaan. He believed even before he became circumcised.

Same in our case. When we believe and accept the free gift of “Yeshuah” (salvation) by “Yeshua” (seems like a play on names) and believe that His one-time-only sacrifice for our sins, we receive HIS righteousness, we come into “right-standing” before our God and King, our Creator, and our Father.

Our “good works” which are our adherence to the commandments, follow our “right standing” and not the other way around. We are made “righteous” to perform “righteous works” our faith leads to our good works, which, in the end, will bring us rewards in Heaven.



Shavua Tov

Ben Avraham

The Western Wall from a short distance away. 023_03a.jpg
 

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What I find cool and also edifying is when we see prophecy

“The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God. Every valley shall be exalted, and every mountain and hill shall be made low: and the crooked shall be made straight, and the rough places plain: and the glory of the LORD shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it. The voice said, Cry. And he said, What shall I cry? All flesh is grass, and all the goodliness thereof is as the flower of the field: the grass withereth, the flower fadeth: because the spirit of the LORD bloweth upon it: surely the people is grass. The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭40:3-8‬ ‭

and then receive revelation of the prophecies fulfillment after Jesus came and spoke the gospel

“Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently: being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. For All flesh is as grass, And all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away: But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.”
‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭1:22-25‬ ‭KJV‬‬

we now realize what words are eternal

“Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:35‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and which words would eventually come to an end being fulfilled

“and not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished: but their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament;

which vail is done away in Christ. But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭3:13-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

To see clearly we have to take off the veil of the ot. when we realize prophecy and the gospel and New Testament work together to create fuller message of what God has done light comes on . The prophets are speaking hidden things the gospel is revealing and clarifying those things

what was said before Jesus came to earth and what was said by Jesus when he came witness the gospel by which we are saved the gospel is fully sufficient and requires us to let go of the veil of Moses law meant to last u til Jesus bc and forth preaching the gospel

The law and the prophets were until John:

since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭16:16‬ ‭

another example of its expiration date

“Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; ( Jesus ) and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:19, 23-25‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the law was meant to bring the world to Jesus and his word when we accept the gospel the law has no more purpose and finction for a dead and buried person it condemned then fornthier sins now they need a savior thier works failed them now they need faith which cannot come from the law of Moses

“For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:10-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The law has an important finction on scripture it brings us to our knees in humility teaching us about our sins and the death penalty we deserve

“Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭3:19-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬


after that part we have to go to the gospel to fine repentance and remission of sins and salvation through faith which is what’s the word of Christ is

“But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;”( that’s why the le says what it says )
‭‭Romans‬ ‭3:21-23‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. ( note even the Jews needed the gospel to be saved the law didn’t do it )

For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭1:16-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

And the law is not of faith

“And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

We have to convert from the e Old Testament to the new
 
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which vail is done away in Christ. But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭3:13-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬
2 Corinthians 3:16 >>>>>>Terrible translation in KJV>>>>>>>(....it....)
King James Bible
Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.

New King James Version
Nevertheless when one turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away.

New American Standard Bible
but whenever someone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away.

Possibly the 'heart' should be considered in this verse. The 15th verse speaks of the '......vail is upon their heart.'

Possibly the verse is speaking about the 'Jewish People'. Possibly as individuals. Possibly as a nation.

If the verse implies the 'Jewish People' as a nation, could it be prophetical of the time when all 'Israel', '...turns to the Lord,...'?
 
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“Abraham believed and it was reckoned to him for righteousness”
NT records this 3 times. Something significant to be recorded so.

Romans 4:3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

Galatians 3:6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.

James 2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
 

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2 Corinthians 3:16 >>>>>>Terrible translation in KJV>>>>>>>(....it....)
King James Bible
Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.

New King James Version
Nevertheless when one turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away.

New American Standard Bible
but whenever someone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away.

Possibly the 'heart' should be considered in this verse. The 15th verse speaks of the '......vail is upon their heart.'

Possibly the verse is speaking about the 'Jewish People'. Possibly as individuals. Possibly as a nation.

If the verse implies the 'Jewish People' as a nation, could it be prophetical of the time when all 'Israel', '...turns to the Lord,...'?
yeah some folks don’t prefer the kjv it’s a personal choice

when we try to see a verse by itself and then wonder what it could mean it makes it hard to understand but if we look at the chapter it’s self explainitory

what I mean is let what’s being said leading up to each verse flow into it

“who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.


But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was ( past tense ) glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:

how shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious? For if that which is done away was glorious,
much more that which remaineth is glorious.

Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech: and not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished: but their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament;

which vail is done away in Christ.( New Testament )

But even unto this day, when Moses ( ot law ) is read, the vail is upon their heart.

Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.”( New Testament )
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭3:6-8, 11-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It’s not a bad translation it’s saying when your heart is blinded by the Old Testament law , the ministration of death written on stone tablets

you have to turn to the gospel the New Testament in order to have that veil removed and have your eyes opened and start to Know God

The Corinthians letters are written to the Corinthians church it consisted of former Jew and gentile just as all the regional churches did

nothing in the New Testament is specific to israel or gentiles they are the same group on Christ everything written to the churches is applicable to any believer is the thing

that section of scriptire couldn’t be clearer to be honest but if we try to take one verse nd then interpret what it could mean without the rest of what he’s saying it’s going to become complicated

at he bible explains what it means if we read it in context
 
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It’s not a bad translation it’s saying when your heart is blinded by the Old Testament law
So you accept the word 'it' in that verse to refer to the 'heart'. Here is the post

2 Corinthians 3:16 >>>>>>Terrible translation in KJV>>>>>>>(....it....)
King James Bible
Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.

New King James Version
Nevertheless when one turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away.

New American Standard Bible
but whenever someone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away.

Possibly the 'heart' should be considered in this verse. The 15th verse speaks of the '......vail is upon their heart.'

Possibly the verse is speaking about the 'Jewish People'. Possibly as individuals. Possibly as a nation.

If the verse implies the 'Jewish People' as a nation, could it be prophetical of the time when all 'Israel', '...turns to the Lord,...'?
 

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So you accept the word 'it' in that verse to refer to the 'heart'. Here is the post

2 Corinthians 3:16 >>>>>>Terrible translation in KJV>>>>>>>(....it....)
King James Bible
Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.

New King James Version
Nevertheless when one turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away.

New American Standard Bible
but whenever someone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away.

Possibly the 'heart' should be considered in this verse. The 15th verse speaks of the '......vail is upon their heart.'

Possibly the verse is speaking about the 'Jewish People'. Possibly as individuals. Possibly as a nation.

If the verse implies the 'Jewish People' as a nation, could it be prophetical of the time when all 'Israel', '...turns to the Lord,...'?
“If the verse implies the 'Jewish People' as a nation, could it be prophetical of the time when all 'Israel', '...turns to the Lord,...'?”

brother your odentifyong israel as Old Testament flesh israel and thinking they are going to be saved your missing what’s written in the other section your referencing this part

“Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭9:6-8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

what I was saying before that part flows into this part

“As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; And her beloved, which was not beloved. And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; There shall they be called the children of the living God. Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved: for he will finish the work, and cut it short in righteousness: because a short work will the Lord make upon the earth. And as Esaias said before, Except the Lord of Sabaoth had left us a seed, We had been as Sodoma, and been made like unto Gomorrha.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭9:25-29‬ ‭KJV‬‬

which eventually leads here

“And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, And shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: For this is my covenant unto them, When I shall take away their sins.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭11:26-27‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Do you see what he’s saying ? Consider the progression

they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.”

he then quotes Hosea to support what he’s saying

I will call them my people, which were not my people; ( gentiles ) And her beloved, which was not beloved. And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; There shall they be called the children of the living God.”

“And so all Israel shall be saved:”


israel defined by the Old Testament born of Abrams flesh and blood ,circumcised and given the law . all of those people aren’t israel

We identify them as israel by the flesh that’s not how God identifies israel or gentile not because they were born of Abram the Hebrews bloodline or not thats not what makes a person of Israel in Gods eyes

this is what makes a person of israel in Gods eyes

“For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:26-29‬ ‭KJV‬‬


that’s the israel God is going to save all of this spiritual israel will be saved

anyone who is “ born again “ is the elect of God which is israel the heavenly not the earthly

those born of christs flesh and blood not abrams flesh and blood that doesn’t make someone israelite accepting the spirit of Christ is what clothes us with that identity and promises salvation

whether a person is born of jacobs blood or gentile blood matters in no way whatsoever to God

whether person accepts the gospel and believes is what matters to God d that’s who’s going to be saved whether they were born as an Israelite ofnthe flesh or not it’s not about that it’s about faith

God promised to choose new people and he did me used to be Israelites and some used to be gentiles now they are beyond that fleshly identity born again of the spirit of Abraham’s seed Jesus Christ the true israel Of God

Being born of Israeli blood and flesh isn’t going to save anyone ever but if they are gentile or Israeli accepting the gospel being born again of the spirit is who’s going to be saved and they are Gods elect his chosen forever his children
 

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So you accept the word 'it' in that verse to refer to the 'heart'. Here is the post

2 Corinthians 3:16 >>>>>>Terrible translation in KJV>>>>>>>(....it....)
King James Bible
Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.

New King James Version
Nevertheless when one turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away.

New American Standard Bible
but whenever someone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away.

Possibly the 'heart' should be considered in this verse. The 15th verse speaks of the '......vail is upon their heart.'

Possibly the verse is speaking about the 'Jewish People'. Possibly as individuals. Possibly as a nation.

If the verse implies the 'Jewish People' as a nation, could it be prophetical of the time when all 'Israel', '...turns to the Lord,...'?
as to the translation brother , it’s a translation one of many rather than focusing on the term “ it “ or “ one “ what I’m saying is simple read the rest of what’s being said in thy chapter that will explain what the term is referring to

look at the rest that’s all around the word your considering that’s what will make it make sense in any case it’s that way even if your reading a math book you want to let the information build up until it makes the point

paul is talking about the inferiority of the Old Testament law wrotten on stone tablets that was a blinding veil and is abolished versus the gospel which is clarity to see and know God removing that veil over the words of Moses law
 

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“All flesh is grass and beauty likened unto a flower” are the words of the prophet, who speaks
as the Ruach leads him. The grass withers away and so do flowers, the grass dries up and ends
up “hay” which is eaten by cows, and flowers, well, they are thrown away or “pressed” between
book pages. Kind of like having a picture of grandma and grandpa when they were young, yet,
it tells the truth that our bodies wear down and our beauty and handsomeness go downhill.
The only thing that remains is our soul, our spirit. Our soul and spirit receive the Word of Elohim,
which is forever, and the “Living WORD” who is forever.

Proverbs 17:14 + 17
:)
 

Magenta

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Shavua Tov
Ben Avraham
The Western Wall from a short distance away.


I hope you do not mind: I took the liberty of making some edits to your photo of the Western Wall,
more specifically, colour correcting, straightening, sharpening, sizing, and adding a small border :)
 

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as to the translation brother , it’s a translation one of many rather than focusing on the term “ it “ or “ one “ what I’m saying is simple read the rest of what’s being said in thy chapter that will explain what the term is referring to

look at the rest that’s all around the word your considering that’s what will make it make sense in any case it’s that way even if your reading a math book you want to let the information build up until it makes the point

paul is talking about the inferiority of the Old Testament law wrotten on stone tablets that was a blinding veil and is abolished versus the gospel which is clarity to see and know God removing that veil over the words of Moses law
maybe I’d we saw this part it would help

The pattern of Moses law

“And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭4:22‬ ‭

The New Testament revelation of this in Christ

“For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. ( israel , the first born son )

There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:26-29‬ ‭KJV‬‬

this is the true isreal when the veil of Moses words is removed that’s Paul’s point there when we read the Old Testament we can’t really understand anything because there’s a veil over it covering the understanding making a person blind to the revelation and truth made known in Christ
 

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2 Corinthians 3:16 >>>>>>Terrible translation in KJV>>>>>>>(....it....)
King James Bible
Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.

New King James Version
Nevertheless when one turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away.

New American Standard Bible
but whenever someone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away.

Possibly the 'heart' should be considered in this verse. The 15th verse speaks of the '......vail is upon their heart.'

Possibly the verse is speaking about the 'Jewish People'. Possibly as individuals. Possibly as a nation.

If the verse implies the 'Jewish People' as a nation, could it be prophetical of the time when all 'Israel', '...turns to the Lord,...'?

2 Corinthians 3:13-15~ We are not like Moses, who would put a veil over his face to keep the Israelites
from gazing at the end of what was fading away. But their minds were closed. For to this day the same veil remains at the reading
of the old covenant. It has not been lifted, because only in Christ can it be removed. And even to this day when Moses is read, a veil
covers their hearts. But whenever anyone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away.
 

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Oops! I posted the wrong panel in post #9 o_O:censored::LOL:

It should have been this one :D



Isaiah 40:6B-8
 

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Oops! I posted the wrong panel in post #9 o_O:censored::LOL:

It should have been this one :D


Isaiah 40:6B-8
“And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, full of grace and truth.”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:14‬ ‭

the word of our God shall
Stand forever

“Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:35‬ ‭

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:51‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭4:6‬ ‭KJV‬‬
 

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“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath
everlasting life,
and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

John 5:24
:)
 

Pilgrimshope

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Lovely panel and my favorite verse

a what an amazing promise that verse holds eternal life spoken to a mortal who dares to believe him I cant imagine a better reward to humans than everlasting life after we live in a world of deaths shadow always hanging over us

what a deliverance , what a hero and what a true and irrevocable word he speaks to believers hallelujah !!