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To correct what I said before... the LIGHT was created on the first day! As the sun gives light, the calendar of man (stars) places sunday at the first day of EVERY week EVERY year!
 
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I agree with him most people claiming Christianity are going to Hell
Still Watchman you are judging the majority of Christianity based on your assumption that *most* Christians are going to Hell and it's probably not your call to make. I don't know if that is the state of the church in America which leads you to those conclusions?
 
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Everybody needs to realise that SALVATION is a PERSONAL quest! As children, we are basically innocent; but even as adults, we mustn't cease to take correction! Every man & woman must set an example like unto a child!!!
 
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doubleedge

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DON'T TAKE MY WORD FOR IT!!! I'm not even saying that I've read The Entire Word of God!!! I'm saying that the way in which U received The Word of God is as important as receiving it at all!!! REMEMBER... the devil "WAS" an angel of light. Because the devil knows The Word of God as well, he must lie to himself in order to lie to us! This is a common trait among his goats!!!
 
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Still Watchman you are judging the majority of Christianity based on your assumption that *most* Christians are going to Hell and it's probably not your call to make. I don't know if that is the state of the church in America which leads you to those conclusions?
Of course it is not my call but I can see their fruits.
1st John 3
8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother
The American church is filled with unrepentant sinners that have no fear of the Lord at all
 
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What I've tried to say is that The Sabbath Day begins Friday evening (around the time of) 6:00 and ends Saturday evening around the same time. My reasoning for this is that the first hour of the day is sunrise, & the first hour of the evening is sundown, so Friday evening is the end of the sixth day, & beginning of The Sabbath (search the scriptures WITH MEDITATION)!
I agree with your opinion of when the Sabbath is. What I dont know is what that has to do with this thread.
 
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The American church is filled with unrepentant sinners that have no fear of the Lord at all
From my little knowledge I have and interaction with American Christianity, I tend to agree. It's the falling away in the last days.
 
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chelsers

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From my little knowledge I have and interaction with American Christianity, I tend to agree. It's the falling away in the last days.
That's probably true, but I don't think the American Church is the only one with problems.
 
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chelsers

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Oh and I just realized there's an exclamation point by my post and I don't know why and it's going to bug me until I find out lol.
 
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Well I make that assumption based upon - personal testimonies and general assessments of the state of the Church from American Christians, such as Watchman, and Americans I know personally. Comparison of these testimonies against my experience and testimonies of the state of the church in my own country, and other countries around the world. Which I might add, seem to be far less immoral or corrupt than what i hear happening in the USA. Did you know australia doesnt' allow gay marriage? Comparison of Western Christianity with Christianity in China for example, and other places where the church is said to be exploding. The fact that most false doctrine that I see on my TV screen is American tele-evangelism, not British, or Chinese, or Australian. Majority of false doctrine comes from America I do believe. Via books, television, CD's, DVD's etc. Logically, if a country of such power, size and world influence as the US, is at the forefront of good in the world, they are also mostly responsible for most of the evil. I wouldn't say it's my assumption, it's my well-learned and researched observation.
 
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http://www.biblicaldefense.org/Writings/State-of-the-American-Church.html

A recent poll conducted by the Barna Research Group revealed some startling facts about the state of the evangelical church in America. Large percentages of professing believers denied several vital Christian doctrines. A few examples will suffice. 52 percent of "born-again" Christians denied the existence of Satan, while 55 percent rejected the existence of the Holy Spirit. 33 percent denied the biblical doctrine of salvation by God's grace through faith in Christ alone by agreeing that a person could earn his or her own salvation through good works. 35 percent denied the physical resurrection of Christ.
In short, a large percentage of professing Christians in the American Church are not Christians at all. The essential doctrines that identify one as a true Christian are often rejected by those who profess faith in Christ. A totally experience based Christianity has replaced the traditional biblically based Christianity, making American Christianity look more like traditional Hinduism than traditional Christianity.
 
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chelsers

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Well I make that assumption based upon - personal testimonies and general assessments of the state of the Church from American Christians, such as Watchman, and Americans I know personally. Comparison of these testimonies against my experience and testimonies of the state of the church in my own country, and other countries around the world. Which I might add, seem to be far less immoral or corrupt than what i hear happening in the USA. Did you know australia doesnt' allow gay marriage? Comparison of Western Christianity with Christianity in China for example, and other places where the church is said to be exploding. The fact that most false doctrine that I see on my TV screen is American tele-evangelism, not British, or Chinese, or Australian. Majority of false doctrine comes from America I do believe. Via books, television, CD's, DVD's etc. Logically, if a country of such power, size and world influence as the US, is at the forefront of good in the world, they are also mostly responsible for most of the evil. I wouldn't say it's my assumption, it's my well-learned and researched observation.
That makes sense, and I agree with that. What I want to add though is that there are many of us here that aren't what you see on television and what you hear coming out of our country via our government. The country itself turns away from Christianity and I firmly believe that'll be our demise.

"Logically, if a country of such power, size and world influence as the US, is at the forefront of good in the world, they are also mostly responsible for most of the evil."

I wholeheartedly agree with this, and I'd like to mention that there are a good amount of us who are on the good side of the equation. We may be harder to see because the media, including the "Christian" media, coming out of this country tends to be dominated by the false, evil side.

I'm glad you explained your position because I tend to be touchy about the trend of America bashing for the sake of bashing. It's offensive to me because we're not all bad and it's often petty and, I'll be honest, out of jealousy and not to rebuke the bad in this country (which I firmly believe needs to be rebuked.) But I think you're position is well stated, and I agree actually.
 
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chelsers

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http://www.biblicaldefense.org/Writings/State-of-the-American-Church.html

A recent poll conducted by the Barna Research Group revealed some startling facts about the state of the evangelical church in America. Large percentages of professing believers denied several vital Christian doctrines. A few examples will suffice. 52 percent of "born-again" Christians denied the existence of Satan, while 55 percent rejected the existence of the Holy Spirit. 33 percent denied the biblical doctrine of salvation by God's grace through faith in Christ alone by agreeing that a person could earn his or her own salvation through good works. 35 percent denied the physical resurrection of Christ.
In short, a large percentage of professing Christians in the American Church are not Christians at all. The essential doctrines that identify one as a true Christian are often rejected by those who profess faith in Christ. A totally experience based Christianity has replaced the traditional biblically based Christianity, making American Christianity look more like traditional Hinduism than traditional Christianity.
A lot of the evangelical stuff I worry about as well. Especially when gobs of money get involved. It becomes this pick and choose what you like in the Bible situation. I think America, because so much of our media gets piped around the world, and because we're getting more and more decadent there are less and less people learning about the faith and turning to the evil in the world. Catholocism and many of the Protestant denominations end up being more of a cultural thing rather than a faith thing. They say their such and such denomination when in reality what they are are what I like to call "Sunday Christians."

Maybe it is more pronounced in the U.S., maybe not. It's a huge country with a lot of wealth so I wouldn't be surprised. Unfortunately though I think that this Sunday Christianity phenomena isn't confined to America.
 
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doubleedge

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The changing of The Sabbath is just another "item" that followers of The Holy Spirit need to know before it is too late. I AM come to edify The Body of The Holy Spirit by which we are able to proclaim The Name That is Above ALL names Yahshua Ha' Mashiach Ben Yahweh Yehovah Elohim! The spirit of satan my accuse... but only The Holy Spirit may convict!!!
 
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Maybe it is more pronounced in the U.S., maybe not. It's a huge country with a lot of wealth so I wouldn't be surprised. Unfortunately though I think that this Sunday Christianity phenomena isn't confined to America.
It isn't confined just to America you are right I think. But I do think it is more prevalent, at least it would seem that way. At least in my observation there is not the same degree of moral degradation in australian churches as appears to be in America. But then again our society as a whole is generally more modest and moral , for people of all religions or no religion at all. It probably has something to do with that.
 
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chelsers

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It isn't confined just to America you are right I think. But I do think it is more prevalent, at least it would seem that way. At least in my observation there is not the same degree of moral degradation in australian churches as appears to be in America. But then again our society as a whole is generally more modest and moral , for people of all religions or no religion at all. It probably has something to do with that.
Very well could be. Maybe I'll just have to move to Australia :)
 
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chelsers

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It isn't confined just to America you are right I think. But I do think it is more prevalent, at least it would seem that way. At least in my observation there is not the same degree of moral degradation in australian churches as appears to be in America. But then again our society as a whole is generally more modest and moral , for people of all religions or no religion at all. It probably has something to do with that.
Oh I should add too that I agree about the morality thing. At one point this was the case in America, more modest/moral but I do believe that decadence is taking over, not unlike Rome.
 
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