A possible suicide

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Ugly

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Hi all
We've had a million of these 'stop arguing' posts. Rarely does it even slow the arguing down. Well, hopefully this will make a few of you think. A fellow CCer mailed me tonight, announcing that they had decided to commit suicide. Obviously they were having quite a troubled life, and came from a bad past. No one here can be blamed for that, obviously. The problem is, they came to this site depressed, lonely, hurting. What did she find amidst her fellow Christians. Encouragement? No. Did she feel stronger? No. Did she feel closer to God? No. Did she feel valued? No. What did she feel then? Well, let me give you an exact quote... ''god is a ****ing joke and so are a lot of the "Christians" on this board all arguing with each other.'' After going on about what a horrible place we live, how horrible people are, she says ''as for this website, it's just more of the same.''

So, is anyone or all of you to blame for her choice? No, and thats not what i'm saying. What i'm saying is that a person came to this site hurting, in need, needling love, comfort, strength and encouragement. And all she saw on this site was the same thing she saw everywhere else. If she couldn't find the love of God amongst His own followers, because they were too busy bickering, then where could she find it?

Many Christians like to shirk their responsibility in these cases by using the excuse 'look to God, not man'. Well, we are God's Ambassadors, His representatives. We are the ones people look at when they want to find out about God, when they seek God, they may come to us first to learn how. The Great Commission doesn't work if we say 'look to God not man'. The Great Commission is us going out, among the people, living it, breathing it being it, so others can see God IN us. How can we point others to God when we're busy calling names and bickering? People are supposed to look to Christians, so that we as Christians, by our lives, and actions, can point them to God. Not by us denying our responsibility with some cheap cop out.

I'll end my rant here, with a request that this user be prayed for, and in the event they don't take their lives, pray that i can have the right words and attitudes with them.
 
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Consumed

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ugly i pray God keeps here and grants her peace. Iv been on that same doorstep.

You are so right though, people love to be puffed up with knowledge for getting what all the knowledge and true teachings of the bible are - to love. to have the knowlegde of Jesus, the mind of Christ.

Gets sad when some think "doctrine" is all about theology of theology and forgetting the meat of the bible, to love in word deed and truth, to love the unlovable to the world, not just take people to task because their theology is deemed false, like thats more important.

how quickly we can forget Jesus prayer for us in John 17, oops but some will say He wasnt praying for us also but just them then.

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I do not believe the person you are takling about is a Christian because they said "God is a ******* joke." I have been bluffed and faked out by people claiming they will commit suicide so many times that I must admit that I do not believe the person you are talking to will do it. If they did it would not be Christian Chat's fault or anyone on this site. Lost people use suicide as a means to get attention. If they do not love the brethren that is just another sign that they are not saved. 1 John 3:14 "We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death." If this person cannot bear with other people they have no love. 1 Corinthians 13:7 No one on this site does anything that would cause someone to commit suicide. Should we be held hostage by someone claiming they will kill themselves? Suicide is a great sin and so is calling God a joke; your friend has the problem of being lost; it is not a problem with the Christians on this site.
 
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Jullianna

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Thank you for this post, Ugly. Much of what I read in the forums grieves my spirit as well, and I know I'm not alone in that regard. I will pray with you for her, Ugly, that God will give her His peace and save her soul. Thank you for allowing God to use you to help her.

Whether this person was a christian or not is beside the point. Whether it was a bluff or not is also beside the point. Sometimes even those who bluff succeed at committing suicide when things go farther than they intended. Who are we to assume we know who is bluffing and who is not?

Jesus cared for the lost and hurting (Mary Magdalene, Matthew, Zacchaeus, etc.). We are the body of Christ and should do no less.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Jullianna said:
Thank you for this post, Ugly. Much of what I read in the forums grieves my spirit as well, and I know I'm not alone in that regard. I will pray with you for her, Ugly, that God will give her His peace and save her soul. Thank you for allowing God to use you to help her.

Whether this person was a christian or not is beside the point. Whether it was a bluff or not is also beside the point. Sometimes even those who bluff succeed at committing suicide when things go farther than they intended. Who are we to assume we know who is bluffing and who is not?

Jesus cared for the lost and hurting (Mary Magdalene, Matthew, Zacchaeus, etc.). We are the body of Christ and should do no less.
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I agree. It is not God who is the joke. it is the Holier than thou people who think they know it all and give God a bad name that is a joke.

God came to sinners. Not those who do not need him, And he sends us to them, to love them, not to judge them.
 
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AnandaHya

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May God give you the words and the wisdom to help her overcome the darkness in her life that makes her feel unloved, unloveable, and angry. May her eyes be open to the Light of Jesus and her heart healed and able to hear and receive the love of God, let the everlasting waters flow. May God send His angels to bind any darkness, tear down any strongholds that war against the knowledge of God. May His peace and truth flow from your lips and plant seeds of life in her mind, heart and soul. Dear Lord help us remember the real reason you saved us and placed us on this world: to share your love and truth with others. To hear those who cry and comfort them. Lord help us to remember to take the time to pray before we speak. To be quick to listen and slow to anger.Help us be faithful to YOU and your love. Help us be lights unto the world who so desperately need God.Help us not to harden our hearts in pride, anger, or bitterness. In Jesus name, we pray amen.
 
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I am not going to apologize for being a Christian to someone who blasphemes God and says they will commit suicide. Suicide is murder. And "thou shalt not kill" includes killing yourself. I would pray for this person but I must admit my prayers might go a little different than others. They need intercession for blasphemeing God, not special attention as though all us Christians did something to make them commit suicide. That's like saying Christians cause suicide. That's ridiculous.
 
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christ-like,bing like christ.wasent god compasionate to everyone and dident he sow love to eveyone.so many people look at people who arent living right as a discrace.but i tell you you are the discrace for not reaching out and helpig these people.if we only showed love for the people who loved god then we would be unfruitful in multiplying his children.in order to multyply we need to reach out to people in love.we cant throw the bible up in there face and say there a horrible person cause if you read your bible youd know were all like filthy rags.no ones perfect.and god was gracious to us and sent his son to die for everyone.even this child who is brocken and shatterd if god can forgive someone with such hate in there hearts that they belive they are more rightious than anyone else bieng born in sin(a fool)than god can forgive a child who is lost and lonley in this world looking for someone to hold on too.i pray for thoughs who think there rightiousness is everything and are blind to there own faults.god is love.im not saying he is unjust and we dont have to pay for our sins on earth but he is our father.and a father can not turn away from a chld who is hurting.
 
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MaggieMye

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Seriously? OP: You deem to make us all feel guilty for what the devil is doing in the life of this person that is NOT an overcomer and came to a DEBATE webiste?
And not that we shouldn't have been praying for her, but did she even ask for prayer? Was she spending time in His word?. Coming to a site like this is the LAST place that anyone with severe emotional issues should go because first of all, when strategies and teaching IS put forth as to how to get free and healed, it is IMMEDIATELY TRASHED by those that do not believe what is taught.
Secondly, how of 'safe' of her to say on this site, or in any written statement to people who do not personally know her, that she is going to commit suicide! She tells people that have no possible way of intervening.
This person is screaming for attention, yes. But the kind of attention she NEEDS will not be found in a debate group. She needs hands-on intervention, teaching, and prayer with the laying on of hands. She NEEDS deliverance! She NEEDS Jesus and then to UNDERSTAND her identity in Him.
EVerybody can pray all the "Please God" prayers they want, but the bottom line is that she needs a Born again, Spirit empowered, Spirit-filled person to be place in her path that will teach her and lead her into His freedom. She NEEDS someone that will DO the word of God on her behalf.
Because the Body of Christ does NOT DO the Word, people suffer and die.
It is truly a disgusting condition for the Bride to be in.
Maggie
 
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Ugly

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To those of you who said i blamed the people on this site for this persons desire to commit suicide, i'd appreciate it if you would read the Entire Post, and Pay Attention when you do. Twice i said that it was NOT the fault of the people on this site. So rather than criticizing me for saying something i never said, please make a greater effort to understand what i Actually said.

Maggie... i don't see anywhere listed, nor have i ever heard from any mod, user, or even Robo that this is a 'debate site'. I would love for you to show me where it says that. And debate site or not, isn't it first and foremost a Christian site? Shouldn't that be the central focus?

John... Wow, please, continue twisting everything i say before you respond. You've shown zero understanding, zero grace, zero compassion.. all i've seen so far is a puffed up sense of pride and being defensive, as opposed to hearing the Actual point that i was trying to make.

To everyone else so far, thank you for actually taking the time to read, hear and understand my point, even if it may have been difficult.
 
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AnandaHya

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Maggie, how do you know Ugly isn't just that Born Again, Spirit empowered, Spirit filled person that God has placed in her path to teach her and lead her to HIS freedom?

Do the WORD of God?

James 5:16
Therefore, confess your sins to one another, and pray for one another so that you may be healed. The effective prayer of a righteous man can accomplish much.

that would be PRAYING,

not demonic teachings that tell them that their sin gives demons "rights" to torment them. Its a lie Maggie and I pray you see past it to God's truth.

its not a debate site but people like to debate, especially in the Bible discussion forum, but the prayer forum and the Family forum has a more welcoming community feel most of the time.

sorry Ugly, I know you don't like contraversy but I just had to speak up.
 
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Wow, sometimes it make me ashamed to be called Christian, I may change my status. Love overcomes all, Love never fails.
I have a question for those who think the bible is so important to have salvation.
What of those who are born handicaped? who may be 30 yrs old but have a mentality of a 5 yr. old ? can God reach these who
remember could not possibly comprehend scripture. What about those who are born blind? or those who have died as a child
and has never come to know scripture? Is there no hope? I don't know about yall but Jesus did not ask me If i will read His word
in order to save me. He also did not ask me to seek Him before I would find Him, and He never asked me if He could die for me.
He found me, and He saved me, without me doing anything.

If your precious bible was taken away from you, Would you know Him? or just stop continuing on with Him because you have nothing
to read about Him now?
 
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2knowhim said:
If your precious bible was taken away from you, Would you know Him? or just stop continuing on with Him because you have nothing
to read about Him now?
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This is a good point, because the early Christians didn't have the New Testament, and they were close to God.
 
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AnandaHya

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2knowhim said:
Wow, sometimes it make me ashamed to be called Christian, I may change my status. Love overcomes all, Love never fails.
I have a question for those who think the bible is so important to have salvation.
What of those who are born handicaped? who may be 30 yrs old but have a mentality of a 5 yr. old ? can God reach these who
remember could not possibly comprehend scripture. What about those who are born blind? or those who have died as a child
and has never come to know scripture? Is there no hope? I don't know about yall but Jesus did not ask me If i will read His word
in order to save me. He also did not ask me to seek Him before I would find Him, and He never asked me if He could die for me.
He found me, and He saved me, without me doing anything.

If your precious bible was taken away from you, Would you know Him? or just stop continuing on with Him because you have nothing
to read about Him now?
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ummm.... where did this come from?

no one mentioned the Bible or its role in salvation.

God's Holy Spirit can reach anyone and He equips all His children for the work HE created them for. they may appear blind, mentally disabled or whatever but I know a child who still knows how to spell "God" even though he has the mental capacity of a three year old in a teenage body.

I'm not sure where you are coming from.

Maggie was making references to false Spiritual warfare doctrines she thinks people should learn, not the Bible. i would prefer if she was referring to the Bible.

Johnathon has been burnt too often and is shy of the fire.
 
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Its so sad to hear that Ugly...I will definitely pray for them, that the Lord takes this in his hands, and restore and heal what needs to be healed.
It's sad to see when people put their knowledge before love. I NEVER read in my Bible that Jesus said let the lost be lost .

If we don't love, we are indeed nothing. You can basically sum up all the commandments to LOVE(God and others).Obviously a lost sheep is that: a lost sheep. He can't see his flaws because he is blinded, until he accepts Jesus as his Saviour. If we are looking to bring people who keep the 10 commandments to Jesus, I think we are being just like the pharisees. We need to reach to them, NOT THEM TO US. That's what Jesus did.

Now the tax collectors and sinners were all gathering around to hear Jesus. But the Pharisees and the teachers of the law muttered, “This man welcomes sinners and eats with them.” Luke 15: 1-2


I tell you, there is rejoicing in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.” Luke 15:10

And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 1Corinthians 13:2
 
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kayem77

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Ugly said:
To those of you who said i blamed the people on this site for this persons desire to commit suicide, i'd appreciate it if you would read the Entire Post, and Pay Attention when you do. Twice i said that it was NOT the fault of the people on this site. So rather than criticizing me for saying something i never said, please make a greater effort to understand what i Actually said.

Maggie... i don't see anywhere listed, nor have i ever heard from any mod, user, or even Robo that this is a 'debate site'. I would love for you to show me where it says that. And debate site or not, isn't it first and foremost a Christian site? Shouldn't that be the central focus?

John... Wow, please, continue twisting everything i say before you respond. You've shown zero understanding, zero grace, zero compassion.. all i've seen so far is a puffed up sense of pride and being defensive, as opposed to hearing the Actual point that i was trying to make.

To everyone else so far, thank you for actually taking the time to read, hear and understand my point, even if it may have been difficult.
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Your point was very clear to me sir :). God bless you
 
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Anandahya:

I was referring to the attitudes that come from the selfrighteous comments, and yes there was mentioned (does she read His Word)?
Sorry but that always gets me. (Did they ask for Prayer?) Does it matter when someone is in need? And I don't even know where to begin
with such an attitude of Jonathan's. How unfeeling. I wonder .... never mind.
Blessings
 
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Bloodwashed

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jonathanbchristian said:
I do not believe the person you are takling about is a Christian because they said "God is a ******* joke." I have been bluffed and faked out by people claiming they will commit suicide so many times that I must admit that I do not believe the person you are talking to will do it. If they did it would not be Christian Chat's fault or anyone on this site. Lost people use suicide as a means to get attention. If they do not love the brethren that is just another sign that they are not saved. 1 John 3:14 "We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death." If this person cannot bear with other people they have no love. 1 Corinthians 13:7 No one on this site does anything that would cause someone to commit suicide. Should we be held hostage by someone claiming they will kill themselves? Suicide is a great sin and so is calling God a joke; your friend has the problem of being lost; it is not a problem with the Christians on this site.
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Well, Well!!! She said it, the " ******* joke ", & now you jonathanbchristian have repeated it. " Let Him without sin, cast the first stone." bchristian cannibal if you "bite & devour" one another! Gods Love Mark
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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jamie26301 said:
This is a good point, because the early Christians didn't have the New Testament, and they were close to God.
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they had the old testament...
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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ugly i pray God keeps here and grants her peace. Iv been on that same doorstep.

You are so right though, people love to be puffed up with knowledge for getting what all the knowledge and true teachings of the bible are - to love. to have the knowlegde of Jesus, the mind of Christ.

Gets sad when some think "doctrine" is all about theology of theology and forgetting the meat of the bible, to love in word deed and truth, to love the unlovable to the world, not just take people to task because their theology is deemed false, like thats more important.

how quickly we can forget Jesus prayer for us in John 17, oops but some will say He wasnt praying for us also but just them then.

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i am sick of people talking about knowledge like it is a bad thing and the people who have it or seek it are less christian than others...

knowledge is one of the gifts of the spirit!
 
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