A possibly wild claim: women dominating Christianity?

[ChristopherMichael]

I didn't understand that part of what you were trying to say. Could you explain it a little different or clearer?

What I meant was that women do not have a genetic advantage over men when it comes to being a Christian or being saved. The opposite is true as well; that men do not have an advanatage over women when it comes to being Christians.

I believe that the difference in church attendance comes down to contemporary church services appealling more to women than to men. Also, I think looking at numbers of attendees by gender can be misleading. I think women are more likely to attend for the wrong reasons (just for the social or spiritual aspects) than men are. Men just won't show up.

Are you perhaps of the group that thinks a man is defined as a bear in one hand and a mental tally of the female species bedded??..just wondering

I resent your statement and don't think it merits any more of a response.

The fact that you say they're "womanly" is affirmation that Christianity is a "womenly" religion rather than arguing against it.
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Perhaps if more men were present in the church they'd have enough influence to produce cookouts, football after church, and anti-pot luck protests. I suppose when you dont have numbers you dont have influcence. Something to think about.

I'm not saying Christianity is a "womanly" religion. I just think that a lot today's services are overly emotions-driven, and involve lots of girly fellowshipping (as opposed to the way lots of guys would choose to fellowship). This encourages a lot more women to attend (though not neccessarily for Christian fellowship), while likewise pushing guys to skip out.

As for men skipping out; it's an all-right way to deal with the situation provided they fellowship and worship some other way.

If you want to see a great example of a great male-oriented fellowship opportunity getting flamed, there was a thread on here a day or two ago about some guys trying to start up ChristianChat CounterStrike group.

As for the worshipping part, I hear that Cowboy Churches are booming nowadays. Attendance is supposed to heavily male as well (which you'd expect). A simple message, relaxed dress code, and good hymns go a long way to making some people feel welcome and less intimdated.

 

[Dread_Zeppelin]

Alright I understand that many men feel that the worship is womanly. But ever think about this?


Worship is music to God. Its about worshiping God, not about finding the most catchy tune. If the lyrics are Biblically correct then what does it matter that it's beautiful music? Are you saying that you wont show up to church just because of the way the worship sounds? You refuse to go to church and worship God because of a few violins? What does that say about your attitude/dedication?

Also another point no one is talking about but I find myself repeating. If you're so upset about the way things are run why doesn't men grow a backbone and go to church and try to change it? Its like saying theres too much trash in the street but since we dont like trash we wont go outside and pick it up...but we'll complain about it.

 

[Dread_Zeppelin]

Church is usually a feminised environment.

Churches that allow women to speak in church tend to allow women to take over proceedings.

Generally, men do not want to listen to women speaking. This is the truth. I abide by this claim. I do not want to hear women speaking in church, let alone most places in the world.

When women speak in church, they tend to speak about relationships, either with their husbands or children or kittens. No man wants to hear about that.

No man wants to be in an environment dominated by women.

If women were to take their proper place in the church instead of trying to control things, men would attend church!!!

Women speaking in churches isn't the problem, especially since most of the world has MALE leadership. I suppose if women were the ones preaching this generalization would make sense. If you can't suffer a women to speak in church at all then thats your...fault.

 

[resurrection33]

Aww we dont bite, just have cooties! LoL! I sit in the front when I can, I like to be up close and involved!

I hope you don’t throw things at the preacher.

 

[giantone]

What I meant was that women do not have a genetic advantage over men when it comes to being a Christian or being saved. The opposite is true as well; that men do not have an advanatage over women when it comes to being Christians.

I agree with this that you wrote.

What you said about not having an advantage for being Christian or being saved, It reminds me of what I used to think as a child about women being good and men not being so good, as well as old people being good, and now I know none of that is the case. They all are capable of being very evil. church goers or not. And they are all capable of seeking God as well.

 

[Sharp]

Women speaking in churches isn't the problem, especially since most of the world has MALE leadership. I suppose if women were the ones preaching this generalization would make sense. If you can't suffer a women to speak in church at all then thats your...fault.

Women speaking in churches is totally the problem. Its not the way the bible says we are to worship. Even if women are not in leadership roles, women speaking during the service, whether it be prayer, announcements, welcoming, whatever, is still a problem.

Churches that allow women to speak in church get all girly, because women tend to feminise things. Before you know it you have muffins and tablecloths and flowers and cushions everywhere, then you get women singing songs in the middle of the service without the congregation (just a "presentation"), then you get interpretive dance acts, plays and skits, hand-waving, crying and hallucinating, and slideshows about the ladies knitting group. And the last guy was right, alot of modern songs resemble the backstreet boys greatest ballads collection. Like it or not, its going to keep men out of church.

Worship is a serious thing. Sometimes women get carried away when they are allowed to control things. And the idea that women aren't getting involved so women have to "step up" (against the commands of the bible) is ridiculous. If there is no-one to fill the positions, then people from other churches should be encouraged to join, or the people should find other churches to go to. Even if a church had 100 people, and only 3 of them were men, I think there would be enough men to run the church.

 

[Blueberry]

Women speaking in churches is totally the problem. Its not the way the bible says we are to worship. Even if women are not in leadership roles, women speaking during the service, whether it be prayer, announcements, welcoming, whatever, is still a problem.

Churches that allow women to speak in church get all girly, because women tend to feminise things. Before you know it you have muffins and tablecloths and flowers and cushions everywhere, then you get women singing songs in the middle of the service without the congregation (just a "presentation"), then you get interpretive dance acts, plays and skits, hand-waving, crying and hallucinating, and slideshows about the ladies knitting group. And the last guy was right, alot of modern songs resemble the backstreet boys greatest ballads collection. Like it or not, its going to keep men out of church.

Worship is a serious thing. Sometimes women get carried away when they are allowed to control things. And the idea that women aren't getting involved so women have to "step up" (against the commands of the bible) is ridiculous. If there is no-one to fill the positions, then people from other churches should be encouraged to join, or the people should find other churches to go to. Even if a church had 100 people, and only 3 of them were men, I think there would be enough men to run the church.

Why don't you just wipe out half the world population and live on this planet alone then if women are such an eyesore and something to be kept in the house and not to be looked at or seen?
I find this post so offensive I dont even know where to start.

 

[Wonderland]

In some ways I agree with Sharp. Not to the extremist position he has taken it, but we have had 'interpretive dance' during our church service and frankly, I think it is a bit out of place. Also, our bathrooms do have cushioned benches in them. Was Sharp a bit out of line? Probably, but his message did have a grain of truth to it

Be blessed.

 

[Sharp]

Why don't you just wipe out half the world population and live on this planet alone then if women are such an eyesore and something to be kept in the house and not to be looked at or seen?
I find this post so offensive I dont even know where to start.

Well. I definitely didn't say that women should stay at home and not be looked at or seen. I don't think I said anything offensive either. I'm not attacking women - I'm attacking feminism.

My point is pretty clear. I think churches that worship in accordance with the standards set by the bible, which was written by God, will have no trouble in attracting people, both male and female.

Many women get offended by the idea that women are not permitted to do things that men are in the church. However, as we all know, feminism is a relatively recent phenomenon. I strongly doubt whether gender lop-sided churches have been a prevailing trend prior to the last 60 years.

Christianity is one of the most counter-cultural things you can involve yourself with. The church should be resisting the forces of feminism that prevail throughout our societies, instead of embracing them.

Embracing feminism has led to a male exodus from the church.

 

[NodMyHeadLikeYeah]

Women are more faithful to the church and more committed to it than men.

 

[Matthew]

I think it's to be expected that there will be women active in churches, it's just a fact that church is an envirnoment better suited to women as men are made for action and aren't so emotional and delicate about things so in general the atmosphere in church is almost opposite to what appeals most strongly to us.

In churches where there is low male attendance women should make an effort to step back and tone things down to create a balance they can live with but that might entice more men to attend, but men also need to start going so they can actually be there to influence things.

Both genders can each blame the other.....can say women are stepping out of their role and men are just being weak and lazy christians etc.....

 

[Dread_Zeppelin]

Well. I definitely didn't say that women should stay at home and not be looked at or seen. I don't think I said anything offensive either. I'm not attacking women - I'm attacking feminism.

My point is pretty clear. I think churches that worship in accordance with the standards set by the bible, which was written by God, will have no trouble in attracting people, both male and female.

Many women get offended by the idea that women are not permitted to do things that men are in the church. However, as we all know, feminism is a relatively recent phenomenon. I strongly doubt whether gender lop-sided churches have been a prevailing trend prior to the last 60 years.

Christianity is one of the most counter-cultural things you can involve yourself with. The church should be resisting the forces of feminism that prevail throughout our societies, instead of embracing them.

Embracing feminism has led to a male exodus from the church.

Your extremist (sure lets just call it that) position poses a lot of problems for me- mainly that women are somehow more interested in tea parties than God in church. Contrary to popular belief women are in generally level-headed and serious about their relationships with God. You make wild generalizations about the feminism of (what, every predominately female church?) and dont talk about men dropping the ball in the least and blame everything solely on women instead.

If women are the problem, why are leaders (who are really the ones who preach and speak throughout most of the service) primarily male? As you said before, all it takes is 3 men to change a church...but thats not what the statistics say.

Also I can tell you the reason why women weren't able to hold higher positions in churches in the last 60 years...because we had a feminist revolution after the intense suppression of the 50s. Oh guess what they weren't able to do before that? Vote, have high paying jobs, go to most colleges. Perhaps the feminist revolution may be the bane of your existance but for a lot of people who have no choice to be born female it meant they could live normal lives. If you want a good example of how most women felt try imagining yourself as a slave and then being told you can be free. Its like that.

The fact that you pin most churches not having males in their services as a feminist church revolution is like me blaming the male gender for being lazy and wanting to watch football instead. Men these days do love their football...they get more excited about it more than God, after all! Sounds pretty far fetched to me.

You talk about how men have been scorned from the church but you dont blame them for not taking the church back...and neglect to say they dont care enough. Are men right to not be in church? You haven't adressed the main issues that could change these facts but choose to pull the "females are crazy" card instead...which may have a grain of truth but the off-color way you present it doesn't make you sound credible at all.

If you love your God (and I'm pretty sure you do) what wouldn't keep you out of church? Listen, we're talking most churches have women influencing them. Would you drop church because of a little extra flowers in the room? Would that be the excuse you tell God every Sunday? Or would you travel to each church until you find women duct taping their mouthes before a service?

 

[Lifelike]

I dont think women should teach men, the bible is clear!!! so all of their posts in this thread should be deleted!!!

LOL kidding. hahahaha, I love you ladies! preach it!

 

[Lifelike]

Jesus Christ leads the Church, many congregate, some dont but are scattered abroad, but all that are called by His name are known by Him. If your not in church (congregating) because of some silly reason and your offended with people, woman or otherwise, it will affect your relationship with Christ. His Church is not the 4 walls of the local assembly it is the body of true believers that know Him and are known by Him. Some are out of the church for a season but are still a part of His Church, but some are seperated by disobedience and rebellion, selfishness and pride, and need to watch out. You dont want to be cut off. Anything that threatens the UNION between you and the true vine needs to bow its knee, including differences between men and woman. In the end no one else can be blamed for your non participation and your offenses, only you will have to answer to God why you didnt fulfill your call. He wont accept any excuses... do not forsake the gathering together of the bretheren. Its ok to take time out, but you need to be sure its God, and that your bond is strong with him, and that its not offense or rebellion. On the other hand, you may be out of church and have trouble going back. You should definately be in prayer that God would prepare you, and surface any issues that are stopping you from being able to fellowship as He would desire. And work towards participating with your brothers and sisters, theres no lone rangers in the kingdom. If you cant submit to Godly leadership you probably arent submitted to God -even though it may seem that you are. God delegates authority in the earth and we need to recognise it, and submit to it, so that we are protected, covered, and can grow. Possibly the reason so many men anrent able to take their faith seriously or get real is because they arent scared enough yet, what will it take to get you out of your comfort zone?? nuclear war? threat of death?? we are so luke warm, the Church in times past has always thrived in adversity. Least then you know who's for real and who's not!

Ps, this post was directed at a spirit and not a person, I'm addressing the atmosphere as a prophet. Words directed at strongholds, mindsets, things that exhalt themselves above the knowledge of God.

 

[Dread_Zeppelin]

Jesus Christ leads the Church, many congregate, some dont but are scattered abroad, but all that are called by His name are known by Him. If your not in church (congregating) because of some silly reason and your offended with people, woman or otherwise, it will affect your relationship with Christ. His Church is not the 4 walls of the local assembly it is the body of true believers that know Him and are known by Him. Some are out of the church for a season but are still a part of His Church, but some are seperated by disobedience and rebellion, selfishness and pride, and need to watch out. You dont want to be cut off. Anything that threatens the UNION between you and the true vine needs to bow its knee, including differences between men and woman. In the end no one else can be blamed for your non participation and your offenses, only you will have to answer to God why you didnt fulfill your call. He wont accept any excuses... do not forsake the gathering together of the bretheren. Its ok to take time out, but you need to be sure its God, and that your bond is strong with him, and that its not offense or rebellion. On the other hand, you may be out of church and have trouble going back. You should definately be in prayer that God would prepare you, and surface any issues that are stopping you from being able to fellowship as He would desire. And work towards participating with your brothers and sisters, theres no lone rangers in the kingdom. If you cant submit to Godly leadership you probably arent submitted to God -even though it may seem that you are. God delegates authority in the earth and we need to recognise it, and submit to it, so that we are protected, covered, and can grow. Possibly the reason so many men anrent able to take their faith seriously or get real is because they arent scared enough yet, what will it take to get you out of your comfort zone?? nuclear war? threat of death?? we are so luke warm, the Church in times past has always thrived in adversity. Least then you know who's for real and who's not!

Ps, this post was directed at a spirit and not a person, I'm addressing the atmosphere as a prophet. Words directed at strongholds, mindsets, things that exhalt themselves above the knowledge of God.

Very well said!

 

[Lifelike]

I think it's to be expected that there will be women active in churches, it's just a fact that church is an envirnoment better suited to women as men are made for action and aren't so emotional and delicate about things so in general the atmosphere in church is almost opposite to what appeals most strongly to us.

You should come to our church, its full of action! Would scare the pants of you. And what kind of action are the men doing outside of church? lifting the beer to the mouth and cheering at the footy?? haha, We are all called to be Christlike, and even moreso outside the 4 walls of the "church" but some how I dont think "because men are made for action" that that is why they dont gather together in the battle of worship and destroying the works of the devil, and making a STAND... Maybe they need to step up and deliver and be real men. Church is not about being soft or delicate, real Christianity is a fearful thing and only for the brave. Woman in history have consistantly been just that and have furthered the gospel mightily. And maybe church would be what it really meant to be if the men arose to take up their rightful place beside the women, instead of being so soft and non committed. Its ok to be outside the church as long as your not luke warm and you are a part of the true vine - the living Church of God, but its all in the fruit hey?

 

[Matthew]

You should come to our church, its full of action! Would scare the pants of you. And what kind of action are the men doing outside of church? lifting the beer to the mouth and cheering at the footy?? haha, We are all called to be Christlike, and even moreso outside the 4 walls of the "church" but some how I dont think "because men are made for action" that that is why they dont gather together in the battle of worship and destroying the works of the devil, and making a STAND... Maybe they need to step up and deliver and be real men.

Church is not about being soft or delicate, real Christianity is a fearful thing and only for the brave. Woman in history have consistantly been just that and have furthered the gospel mightily. And maybe church would be what it really meant to be if the men arose to take up their rightful place beside the women, instead of being so soft and non committed. Its ok to be outside the church as long as your not luke warm and you are a part of the true vine - the living Church of God, but its all in the fruit hey?

For starters lets move past the unfunny 'joke' men prefer drinking beer and watching soccer to do anything else productive.....sigh.

I don't men are made for action is any excuse for not attending church, I said in the part of my previous post that you didn't quote that men need to stop making excuses and go to church so they can start having an influence.

That said it is an undeniable fact of life that men are more about action than women and so some churches like the one I was taken too as a young man are extremely unappealing and frankly boring, this is where the church has a duty to step outside it's traditional way of doing things to some small extent and ask themselves the question 'why are men not here each Sunday?.

It's so very easy to sit on the sidelines and toss out the line 'man up and go to church'....it's very easy to say but not at all helpful. Not attending church because you can't find one that works for you doesn't mean a man is a weak christian and it's unfair for any man or woman to make that assumption based solely on the fact that a man is not in church.....the man in question could be doing any number of things to glorify Christ that he feels is much more productive than sitting in a church that does nothing for him.

If this thread shows anything at all it's that what holds back both genders from coming together and making the church strong as it ought to be is the bad attitude of both genders when considering the actions of the other.

So maybe men should 'rise up and take their place' but women should maybe help men to do that instead of being critical that they so far haven't.......like I said before this goes both ways.

 

[BestBeWishing]

I am afraid of women, so I always sit in the back row.

Res, I'm still laughing here, I understand this statment very well, Thanks I'm still crying this was funny!!
you cracked me up with this one!!!

"In His Service"

 

[resurrection33]

Res, I'm still laughing here, I understand this statment very well, Thanks I'm still crying this was funny!!
you cracked me up with this one!!!

"In His Service"

Thank you.

 

[DinoDillinger]

Women are more faithful to the church and more committed to it than men.

If this is true, then it is only the result of grace.