A Question about The Feasts
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Mat 6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
Mat 6:10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
Mat 6:11 Give us this day our daily bread.
Mat 6:12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
Mat 6:13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.
The Son of Man Is Given Dominion
Daniel 7:13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.
Daniel 7:14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.
Mat 6:10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
Mat 6:11 Give us this day our daily bread.
Mat 6:12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
Mat 6:13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.
The Son of Man Is Given Dominion
Daniel 7:13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.
Daniel 7:14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.
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Revelation 21:1-2,And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from יהוה out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband."
Revelation 21:1-2,Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and the sea was no more.And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Revelation 21:1-2,Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and the sea was no more.And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
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Not sure I said that. We were charged by Yeshua to work for and bring into being God's Kingdom on Earth. We know Christ will return and establish his temporary millennial Kingdom and, in the end God's Eternal Kingdom will be stablished. That's about all I know about kingdoms. There is much yet for me to learn.
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I did study and prayerfully consider your statement. It involved more than anticipated, I went down a rabbit hole on this one.
It is obviously true that many of God’s commands were directed to the Nation of Israel and as such were fulfilled and completed by the grace of Our Lord. Few, including me, would argue that. But it is also true that other commandments appear to be forever and are not yet completed.
I am not aware of any biblical statement that establishes which commands were directed to Israel and have been fulfilled by Christ, and which have not yet been completed. I am beginning to believe biblical “commands” and “commandments” involve different requirements. (I’ll probably take some heat for that statement.)
The Biblical Feasts were established before the Nation of Israel but include Yeshua, continue through the “Church Age” between the spring and fall feasts, and go all the way to His second coming. I believe they are ment for all generations, but now will have different manifestations. We are under no obligation to follow Israel’s traditions with the feasts, but should still proclaim them in their season.
This is my humble and very fluid conclusions.
Thanks (I think) for the challenge.
It is obviously true that many of God’s commands were directed to the Nation of Israel and as such were fulfilled and completed by the grace of Our Lord. Few, including me, would argue that. But it is also true that other commandments appear to be forever and are not yet completed.
I am not aware of any biblical statement that establishes which commands were directed to Israel and have been fulfilled by Christ, and which have not yet been completed. I am beginning to believe biblical “commands” and “commandments” involve different requirements. (I’ll probably take some heat for that statement.)
The Biblical Feasts were established before the Nation of Israel but include Yeshua, continue through the “Church Age” between the spring and fall feasts, and go all the way to His second coming. I believe they are ment for all generations, but now will have different manifestations. We are under no obligation to follow Israel’s traditions with the feasts, but should still proclaim them in their season.
This is my humble and very fluid conclusions.
Thanks (I think) for the challenge.
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John/Yahanan 10:16, "And I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them also, and they will listen to My voice. So there will be one flock, one Shepherd (4166 – poimén)."
Matthew 5:17-18, “Do not think that I came to destroy the Torah or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to complete. For truly, I say to you, till the heaven and the earth pass away, one yod or one tittle shall by no means pass from the Torah till all be done.”
Revelation 21:1-2, “And I saw a renewed heaven and a renewed earth, for the former heaven and the former earth had passed away, and the sea is no more. And I, Yoḥanan, saw the set-apart city, renewed Yerushalayim, coming down out of the heaven from Yah, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.”
Finally Gentiles were always allowed to keep Feasts and Sabbaths
Numbers 15:15-16, “One law is for you of the assembly and for the stranger who sojourns with you – a law forever throughout your generations. As you are, so is the stranger before יהוה. One Torah and one right-ruling is for you and for the stranger who sojourns with you.”
Isaiah 56:1-7, “Thus said יהוה, “Guard right-ruling, and do righteousness, for near is My deliverance to come, and My righteousness to be revealed. Blessed is the man who does this, and the son of man who becomes strong in it, guarding the Sabbath lest he profane it, and guarding his hand from doing any evil. And let not the son of the gentile who has joined himself to יהוה speak, saying, ‘יהוה has certainly separated me from His people,’ nor let the eunuch say, ‘Look I am a dry tree.’ For thus said יהוה, “To the eunuchs who guard My Sabbaths, and have chosen what pleases Me, and are holding onto My covenant: to them I shall give in My house and within My walls a place and a name better than that of sons and daughters – I give them an everlasting name that is not cut off. Also the sons of the gentile who join themselves to יהוה, to serve Him, and to love the Name of יהוה, to be His servants, all who guard the Sabbath, and not profane it, and are holding onto My covenant, them I shall bring to My set-apart mountain, and let them rejoice in My house of prayer. Their ascending offerings and their sacrifices are accepted on My altar, for My house is called a house of prayer for all the peoples.”
Matthew 5:17-18, “Do not think that I came to destroy the Torah or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to complete. For truly, I say to you, till the heaven and the earth pass away, one yod or one tittle shall by no means pass from the Torah till all be done.”
Revelation 21:1-2, “And I saw a renewed heaven and a renewed earth, for the former heaven and the former earth had passed away, and the sea is no more. And I, Yoḥanan, saw the set-apart city, renewed Yerushalayim, coming down out of the heaven from Yah, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.”
Finally Gentiles were always allowed to keep Feasts and Sabbaths
Numbers 15:15-16, “One law is for you of the assembly and for the stranger who sojourns with you – a law forever throughout your generations. As you are, so is the stranger before יהוה. One Torah and one right-ruling is for you and for the stranger who sojourns with you.”
Isaiah 56:1-7, “Thus said יהוה, “Guard right-ruling, and do righteousness, for near is My deliverance to come, and My righteousness to be revealed. Blessed is the man who does this, and the son of man who becomes strong in it, guarding the Sabbath lest he profane it, and guarding his hand from doing any evil. And let not the son of the gentile who has joined himself to יהוה speak, saying, ‘יהוה has certainly separated me from His people,’ nor let the eunuch say, ‘Look I am a dry tree.’ For thus said יהוה, “To the eunuchs who guard My Sabbaths, and have chosen what pleases Me, and are holding onto My covenant: to them I shall give in My house and within My walls a place and a name better than that of sons and daughters – I give them an everlasting name that is not cut off. Also the sons of the gentile who join themselves to יהוה, to serve Him, and to love the Name of יהוה, to be His servants, all who guard the Sabbath, and not profane it, and are holding onto My covenant, them I shall bring to My set-apart mountain, and let them rejoice in My house of prayer. Their ascending offerings and their sacrifices are accepted on My altar, for My house is called a house of prayer for all the peoples.”
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Thank you for your well-considered reply! It is true that what is deemed to be exclusively for Israel and what is meant to be for the church (Christians) gets a lot of discussion here, with many legalists taking it upon themselves to inform us (Christians) that we are to have laid upon us many burdens that Scripture explicitly says are not necessary. It would seem that in fact most of us do know, for instance, that murder, lying, adultery, etc, are wrong and against the laws of God, but how many feel convicted for not keeping some feast they may not even ever have heard about? Just making the point that these things, the feasts, are not written on our hearts as the commandments are. I would say 10 commandments, but the Sabbath command is nowhere repeated in the NT, and was, I believe, a foreshadow of the rest we are to find in Christ. Even that gets disputed a lot, even though (again), according to the legalists of Jesus' day, Jesus broke the Sabbath, and they wanted to kill Him for it. Eh, I do not believe Jesus broke the Sabbath, either. The legalists were looking for reasons to condemn Him because He healed people on the Sabbath, which, according to their ways and understanding of the law, was not permissible, whereas Jesus told them His Father was working to this day and so was He.
John 5:16-18 Now because Jesus was doing these things on the Sabbath, the Jews began to persecute Him. But Jesus answered them, “To this very day My Father is at His work, and I too am working.” Because of this, the Jews tried all the harder to kill Him. Not only was He breaking the Sabbath, but He was even calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God.
John 5:16-18 Now because Jesus was doing these things on the Sabbath, the Jews began to persecute Him. But Jesus answered them, “To this very day My Father is at His work, and I too am working.” Because of this, the Jews tried all the harder to kill Him. Not only was He breaking the Sabbath, but He was even calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God.
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what about all the Holy days the Church recognizes and celebrates? what about Holy Days of "obligation?" what about Church services on Sunday? What about Christmas, Easter and Lent etc?
If you believe in the Son for forgiveness of sins, the Word tells us you have Eternal Life. We are all brought up different ways and cultures and have different backgrounds. The various times people choose to recognize as important is up to them and according to their conscience. The Feasts will be fulfilled in their time as they have been.
If you believe in the Son for forgiveness of sins, the Word tells us you have Eternal Life. We are all brought up different ways and cultures and have different backgrounds. The various times people choose to recognize as important is up to them and according to their conscience. The Feasts will be fulfilled in their time as they have been.
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They were preparing for Passover when Messiah was sacrificed for our sins. They would not go into the judgment hall so they would not be defiled and then not able to eat the Passover. Sometimes the traditions can become more important than the meaning.
John 18:28 Then led they Yeshua from Caiaphas unto the hall of judgment: and it was early; and they themselves went not into the judgment hall, lest they should be defiled; but that they might eat the Passover.
John 18:28 Then led they Yeshua from Caiaphas unto the hall of judgment: and it was early; and they themselves went not into the judgment hall, lest they should be defiled; but that they might eat the Passover.
A deep study into the "Moedim" convinced me that the Bible was the Word of God. That was really the spark.
Of course, God has much declared how the gentiles would know Him thru His people the Jews.
That was decades ago. And my earliest recollection of when my walk first began.
And YES, the "appointed times" ARE undoubtedly prophetic. IMO, the fall feasts fulfillment are ALL future, and post rapture.
I now think that the Feast of Trumpets correlates to the 70th week of Daniel aka the Tribulation (which itself correlates with Joshua/Jericho!).
I mean just look at the "sevens". They are everywhere. Essentially, the trumpets are sounded in 7 years of heralding the soon Return aka the Second Coming to redeem Israel.
Of course, God has much declared how the gentiles would know Him thru His people the Jews.
That was decades ago. And my earliest recollection of when my walk first began.
And YES, the "appointed times" ARE undoubtedly prophetic. IMO, the fall feasts fulfillment are ALL future, and post rapture.
I now think that the Feast of Trumpets correlates to the 70th week of Daniel aka the Tribulation (which itself correlates with Joshua/Jericho!).
I mean just look at the "sevens". They are everywhere. Essentially, the trumpets are sounded in 7 years of heralding the soon Return aka the Second Coming to redeem Israel.
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And Israel gets kicked to the curb? Impossible.
On the contrary, Israel will certainly be redeemed immediately after the "time of Jacob's trouble" yet future.
Israel has yet to hitch their wagon to this character. But soon. Very soon now.
Jhn 5:43
I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
Zec 11:17
Woe to the idol shepherd that leaveth the flock! the sword shall be upon his arm, and upon his right eye: his arm shall be clean dried up, and his right eye shall be utterly darkened.
On the contrary, Israel will certainly be redeemed immediately after the "time of Jacob's trouble" yet future.
Israel has yet to hitch their wagon to this character. But soon. Very soon now.
Jhn 5:43
I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
Zec 11:17
Woe to the idol shepherd that leaveth the flock! the sword shall be upon his arm, and upon his right eye: his arm shall be clean dried up, and his right eye shall be utterly darkened.
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Paul didn't thinks so.
Paul wrote to the letter to the Corinthians, “you are the temple of God, as it is written."
He then quoted word for word from Ezekiel 37:26.
So, for Paul, Ezekiel 37 was being fulfilled in the body of Christ in the first century. It is on its face false to claim that Ezekiel did not begin to be fulfilled until 1948.