a Question for the Premillennialists
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The wheat and the weed is talking concerning all time, especially after Christ came the first time, and how some people get it, and some do not. Even after Christ's second comming, this will still be in effect. It is why God has not destroyed all unbelievers. he allows the weed to grow with the wheat until harvest time.
PSS: All prophesy concerning time up to this point has been fulfilled literally to the day. why would post millennialists want to change how God uses prophesy and make it a non literal 1000 years?
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yeah, and what happens here? according to scripture. all the wheat on earth is destroyed. and only those who have "endured" will enter in (be saved physically)
Well. if you mean future prophesy has not. you would be right. we are still waiting on it to be fulfilled.
But all PAST prophesy has been fulfilled literally. so we would be foolish not to interpret future prophesy the same as all past prophesy has been fulfilled. It is called precedence. Why would God change the way he does things?
Open your eyes and see. Stop looking at it with preconceived notions and beliefs. then maybe you can see it. then again, maybe not.
Well. if you mean future prophesy has not. you would be right. we are still waiting on it to be fulfilled.
But all PAST prophesy has been fulfilled literally. so we would be foolish not to interpret future prophesy the same as all past prophesy has been fulfilled. It is called precedence. Why would God change the way he does things?
Thanks for the response
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Then why did you say this: concerning all time,
especially after Christ came the first time??
Not all prophecy in the past was fulfilled
as people would think they would.
Open your eyes
and you will see
especially after Christ came the first time??
Not all prophecy in the past was fulfilled
as people would think they would.
Open your eyes and see. Stop looking at it with preconceived notions and beliefs. then maybe you can see it. then again, maybe not.
and you will see
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Scripture states that during this 1000 years. People will still reject Christ. Even after everyone who enters into it are saved, and all the "weeds" are destroyed.
This it still is in effect.
And this matters how? Was it fulfilled literally to the number or not?
They are open. Wide. 1000 years means 1000 years. Not anything else. If it does not mean 1000, then God lied. and is no prophet at all.
This it still is in effect.
And this matters how? Was it fulfilled literally to the number or not?
Open your eyes
and you will see
and you will see
the parable of the wheat and the chaff, when the
chaff is burned up (lake of fire) is the great white
throne judgement) is the end (2nd coming of Christ)
Did you eat the flesh of Christ and drank His blood
literally?
Was the kingdom of God here on earth literally when
Jesus said the behold the kingdom is in the midst of
you?
Did he meant it literally when He said the time will
come when those who are dead (spiritually) shall
hear His voice and live?
Dis he say the dead shall become alive literally
when He said those who believe in Him that sent me
has passed from death unto life? John 5:24-25 (KJV)
The 1000 years is not after the second coming of the
LORD. When one realize this only then will you realize
that the parable of the wheat and the chaff fits perfectly
in with Revelation.
chaff is burned up (lake of fire) is the great white
throne judgement) is the end (2nd coming of Christ)
Did you eat the flesh of Christ and drank His blood
literally?
Was the kingdom of God here on earth literally when
Jesus said the behold the kingdom is in the midst of
you?
Did he meant it literally when He said the time will
come when those who are dead (spiritually) shall
hear His voice and live?
Dis he say the dead shall become alive literally
when He said those who believe in Him that sent me
has passed from death unto life? John 5:24-25 (KJV)
The 1000 years is not after the second coming of the
LORD. When one realize this only then will you realize
that the parable of the wheat and the chaff fits perfectly
in with Revelation.
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Thus why this will continue until the end. after the last final battle when satan is released. and takes the very last of the "weeds" and comes against Christ for the final time.
But then again, I have already shown this. so what else is one to do?
1. What does this have to do with prophesy concerning time?
2. What does this have to do with prophesy at all? it is not prophesy it is a command
Part of it is yes. It has been since Christ was here. And will have its greatest fulfilment when Christ returns and fulfills his promise to David, by sitting on his throne in Jerusalem.
Yet again, what does this have to do with prophesy concerning time.
I was dead, I heard his voice and lived. Yet again, what does this HAVE TO DO WITH PROPHESY CONCERNING TIME???
I did literally come to life. I was spiritually dead, (literally) Now I am spiritually alive (Literally)
Whats your point? and again. WHAT DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH PROPHESY CONCERNING TIME??
Thats your opinion. You have not yet proved that the 1000 years should not be taken literally. You have beat around the bush alot. But you have yet to show ONE PROPHESY concerning time, WHICH HAS NOT BEEN LITERALLY FULFILLED. Especially when we know ALL PROPHESY CONCERNING TIME, which has already been fulfilled, HAS BEEN FULFILLED LITERALLY
Again, precedence takes over. If all fulfilled prophesy concerning time has been LITERALLY FULFILLED. it would be foolish to think ALL PROPHESY CONCERNING TIME WHICH IS YET to BE FULFILLED should be taken any different.
David took 70 years literally. That is why he prayed for his people. because he knew the 70 years prophesied by jeremiah was literal. and the end was close, and his people had not yet repented. So forgive me if I interpret prophesy concerning time like daniel did.
But then again, I have already shown this. so what else is one to do?
1. What does this have to do with prophesy concerning time?
2. What does this have to do with prophesy at all? it is not prophesy it is a command
Part of it is yes. It has been since Christ was here. And will have its greatest fulfilment when Christ returns and fulfills his promise to David, by sitting on his throne in Jerusalem.
Yet again, what does this have to do with prophesy concerning time.
I was dead, I heard his voice and lived. Yet again, what does this HAVE TO DO WITH PROPHESY CONCERNING TIME???
I did literally come to life. I was spiritually dead, (literally) Now I am spiritually alive (Literally)
Whats your point? and again. WHAT DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH PROPHESY CONCERNING TIME??
Thats your opinion. You have not yet proved that the 1000 years should not be taken literally. You have beat around the bush alot. But you have yet to show ONE PROPHESY concerning time, WHICH HAS NOT BEEN LITERALLY FULFILLED. Especially when we know ALL PROPHESY CONCERNING TIME, which has already been fulfilled, HAS BEEN FULFILLED LITERALLY
Again, precedence takes over. If all fulfilled prophesy concerning time has been LITERALLY FULFILLED. it would be foolish to think ALL PROPHESY CONCERNING TIME WHICH IS YET to BE FULFILLED should be taken any different.
David took 70 years literally. That is why he prayed for his people. because he knew the 70 years prophesied by jeremiah was literal. and the end was close, and his people had not yet repented. So forgive me if I interpret prophesy concerning time like daniel did.
Days, Years, and Generations
Deuteronomy 7:9 (KJV)
Know therefore that the LORD thy God,
he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth
covenant and mercy with them that love him
and keep his commandments to a thousand
generations.
Chronicles 16:15 (KJV)
Be ye mindful always of his covenant;
the word which he commanded to a
thousand generations.
Psalm 84:10 (KJV)
For a day in thy courts is better than a
thousand. I had rather be a doorkeeper
in the house of my God, than to dwell in
the tents of wickedness.
Psalm 90:4 (KJV)
For a thousand years in thy sight are but
as yesterday when it is past, and as a
watch in the night.
Psalm 105:5 (KJV)
He hath remembered his covenant for ever,
the word which he commanded to a thousand
generations.
Ecclesiastes 6:6 (KJV)
Yea, though he live a thousand years twice told,
yet hath he seen no good: do not all go to one place?
2 Peter 3:8 (KJV)
But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing,
that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years,
and a thousand years as one day.
Deuteronomy 7:9 (KJV)
Know therefore that the LORD thy God,
he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth
covenant and mercy with them that love him
and keep his commandments to a thousand
generations.
Chronicles 16:15 (KJV)
Be ye mindful always of his covenant;
the word which he commanded to a
thousand generations.
Psalm 84:10 (KJV)
For a day in thy courts is better than a
thousand. I had rather be a doorkeeper
in the house of my God, than to dwell in
the tents of wickedness.
Psalm 90:4 (KJV)
For a thousand years in thy sight are but
as yesterday when it is past, and as a
watch in the night.
Psalm 105:5 (KJV)
He hath remembered his covenant for ever,
the word which he commanded to a thousand
generations.
Ecclesiastes 6:6 (KJV)
Yea, though he live a thousand years twice told,
yet hath he seen no good: do not all go to one place?
2 Peter 3:8 (KJV)
But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing,
that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years,
and a thousand years as one day.
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if it did. we are long past 1000 years. and we might as well throw scripture out. because the last final battle never happened at the end Like God said it would.. right??
I think you need to read rev 20 again.
1. When was the first ressurection? thodse who did not recieve the mark of the beast
2. When was satan bound into the bottomles pit?
both mark the start of the 1000 years.
I think you need to read rev 20 again.
1. When was the first ressurection? thodse who did not recieve the mark of the beast
2. When was satan bound into the bottomles pit?
both mark the start of the 1000 years.
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why do you bother. None of these are prophesies concerning time are they?? You keep going in circles and fail to prove your point.
A prophesy concerning time is this.
In This time (insert days, years of whatever) this will happen.
the fulfilment of the prophesy (or lack of) is proven when the number of time is complete. and the prophesy happens WHEN it was said it would.
again. You have not shown that any past prophesy which is fulfilled according to time was ever symbolised. and never fulfilled literally.
A prophesy concerning time is this.
In This time (insert days, years of whatever) this will happen.
the fulfilment of the prophesy (or lack of) is proven when the number of time is complete. and the prophesy happens WHEN it was said it would.
again. You have not shown that any past prophesy which is fulfilled according to time was ever symbolised. and never fulfilled literally.
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at the very end. when this heaven and earth is destroyed.
When jesus comes at the great battle. no angels come with him. He destroyes evil. and sets up his kingdom.
The nations in matt 25 is everyone who ever lived. The nations encompased which he destroyes at armageddon is only people who are alive. Again, the "rest of the dead will not rise for 1000 years.
your making things to dificult for yourself. and this is why you can't see it.
When jesus comes at the great battle. no angels come with him. He destroyes evil. and sets up his kingdom.
The nations in matt 25 is everyone who ever lived. The nations encompased which he destroyes at armageddon is only people who are alive. Again, the "rest of the dead will not rise for 1000 years.
your making things to dificult for yourself. and this is why you can't see it.
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Some biblical examples
Isa 9:7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever.
This is one of the Old Testament passages interpreted as referring to the Millennium, allegedly, a literal interpretation of it will lead me to premillennialism.
To me the literal interpretation is this: During Christ's kingdom the increase of peace will have no end.
This is the Premillennial interpretation: The peace will end after a thousand years and the world will see the greatest war ever conceived by human beings.
The premillennial interpretation doesn't sound very literal to me; as a matter of fact, it seems to contradict the literal interpretation to force Revelation 20:1-10 (a passage that does not say anything about the increase of peace, nor does it make any reference to any prophecy in Isaiah whatsoever) into this Isaiah prophecy.
Another example:
Isa 2:4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.
Literal interpretation: weapons shall be destroyed forever and there will be no more war EVER.
Premillennial interpretation: Weapons will be destroyed but only for 1000 years, after this they will take the plowshares and their pruninhooks and turn them into swords and spears again, and the nations will lift the sword up against other nations again, and they will learn war again.
the premillennial interpretation seems to contradict the literal interpretation again and raises a lot of questions: the passage in Revelation 20 says that the nations in the four quarters of the earth will go to war and the number of them is like the sand of the sea; this is a lot of people, how long will it take to build an arsenal this big after all the weapons have been destroyed? how long will it take to train all this people to go to war? Who will organize these armies on different nations and make them come as one against Jerusalem? will there be a second Antichrist? Will this be a worldwide rebellion or there still be mortal people loyal to Christ? if so, what's going to happen to them, are they going to just watch with their arms crossed how half of the world rebels against Jesus, or are they going to be killed? If they are killed is there going to be a second "first resurrection" (third for dispensationalists) where the Millennium martyrs are going to rise? And this is just the tip of the iceberg.
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what kind of chains Satan is bound with? Is it "spiritual chains" or "actual steel"...etc. This is why when we must look at Genre and understand that an epistle, a narrative, and apocalyptic literature are quite different and must be approached differently.
2 Peter 3:10:
"But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up."
It is impossible to interpret this literally while holding to premillennialism.
1Co 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
If flesh and blood (people with non-glorified bodies) cannot inherit the kingdom of God, how can someone say that the people who will survive the great tribulation will enter the Kingdom of God with non-glorified bodies and still insist that his interpretation of the Scriptures is strictly literal and everybody who disagrees is allegorizing?
2 Peter 3:10:
"But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up."
It is impossible to interpret this literally while holding to premillennialism.
1Co 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
If flesh and blood (people with non-glorified bodies) cannot inherit the kingdom of God, how can someone say that the people who will survive the great tribulation will enter the Kingdom of God with non-glorified bodies and still insist that his interpretation of the Scriptures is strictly literal and everybody who disagrees is allegorizing?
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what about it? The messiah the prince came literally on the day daniel 9 said he would. He was also cut off the very time daniel 9 said he would (at the end of the 69th week)
the last 7 years will be literally fulfilled.
the first 69 weeks were literally fulfilled.
you want me to symbolically take the first half of the last week as lasting 30 some years (a total of 4 weeks plus two years) before the abomination takes place. Then what about the great tribulation. how long has it lasted??
the last 7 years will be literally fulfilled.
the first 69 weeks were literally fulfilled.
you want me to symbolically take the first half of the last week as lasting 30 some years (a total of 4 weeks plus two years) before the abomination takes place. Then what about the great tribulation. how long has it lasted??