A question...

[royalscot]

DOES the Grace of God allow you TO make Righteous Judgement? or are we to just go blindly on in this Walk, not testing or not offending somebody else, because we may call 'their' Doctrine , not in line with His Word.??? we just need to all love each other.. does the Grace of God allow you to make Righteous Judgment as it pertains to the Things of the Spirit?

when did our Righteous Judgement save us.
For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God
Romans 3:23

29 And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.Galatians 3(by fiath)

 

[oldhermit]

when did our Righteous Judgement save us.
For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God
Romans 3:23

29 And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.Galatians 3(by fiath)

I am not understanding what this has to do with the OP

 

[Elin]

A question for you 'Biblical Scholars',

is Morality, which by some is defined as the principles of discerning what is right or wrong, based on those who 'do good ' (good people) these being Moral people, and those who live in Immorality, doing that which is immoral as defined by those who 'boast in Morality'...

is Morality -------> a benchmark for being a christian? and is being Moral , good enough to Merit the Kingdm of Heaven?

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I look forward to the answers and dialogue! have a great Monday!

Morality is based on the character of God.

Salvation is not by morality.

 

[sltaylor]

Morality is based on the character of God.

Salvation is not by morality.

I believe that as well. Theoretically following the Law of Moses to a T, would make a person moral, but as Paul says, if we were were saved by doing the right thing, Christ died for nothing.
What makes us saved is believing in what Christ did for us. By his sacrifice we attain the righteousness of God thru his work, not ours. Being moral made no one holy, but as Hebrews says: "because by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy."
We must remember that Paul says what counts is a new creation. Why though? Because God is holy, and by faith we attain that as well, apart from anything or law or work or right or wrong we could ever do.
Being moral made no man holy, we must be transformed into that righteousness by being born again and putting on the new self, and to be made holy was done by Christ not us, as Hebrews states. Then the works that come after that transformation will let the world know we are his disciples.

 

[fredjames]

A question for you 'Biblical Scholars',

is Morality, which by some is defined as the principles of discerning what is right or wrong, based on those who 'do good ' (good people) these being Moral people, and those who live in Immorality, doing that which is immoral as defined by those who 'boast in Morality'...

Born again as a Christian now, we have actually in the first place in our new knowledge faith 'thinking' and at 'baptism' have buried this person of such 'morality', placed in us our hearts, since young and acted as a 'custodian' in our early life, that is, a 'law' itself written in our hearts, mentioned according to Romans chapter 2, also since the Gentiles did not have the 'Law of the Letter' like the 'Israelite Jews'.

is Morality -------> a benchmark for being a christian? and is being Moral , good enough to Merit the Kingdm of Heaven?

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Certainly, for GOD said in HIS Word and through HIS Prophet, even now, first of all that;

"Without knowledge My people perish."

HIS 'Word' teaches 'morality', from the Old Testament and the New Testament. New Testament in for HIS 'born again' redeemed people, being led out of 'previous life according to sight and heart carnal/flesh passions and desires (Egypt)' by our 'Good Shepherd', henceforth giving us now the written New Testament, spoken from the mount where HE sat and gave them as the Covenant of GOD in a 'sermon' to HIS new 'born again' people, from Matthew chapter 5.

Then shortly for HIS people to 'take note', HE said in chapter 7 that;

"Everyone therefore who hears these word/teaching of mine and does/practices them are unto a 'wise builder'..............................................."

Added also HE about those who 'don't' .....................................................................

This is therefore our walk now in our 'renewed thinking' taught by the HOLY SPIRIT in the New Testament sound doctrine Spiritual knowledge, in spiritual faith 'laboring' and in 'morality' conduct, towards 'one another' and the 'lost'.

And on that day, the LORD will commend HIS such humble and quiet servants, that;

"Well done My good and faithful servant."

And to another HE condemns, such proud and boastful servants, who lived in 'ignorance' to HIS word/teaching, in 'partial faith', that;

"I never knew you, depart from Me you workers of lawlessness."

These are the 'summarized benchmark' of the New Covenant/Testament. Please also refer to the 'whole context' for assurance to 'Salvation' to be 'worked out personally in fear and trembling'.

Without complete 'morality', there will be 'immorality' and 'influencing' others to do the same, as 'initiators' of 'immorality'. And one of the fruit of the carnal/flesh 'passions' and 'desires' is 'sexual immorality'. in other words, 'defiling HIS temple' remain still in the wrong thinking and behavior that is partially similar to the 'pattern of this world'.

i hope this helpful enough for 'convicted' believers to the word of the LORD, in order to 'repent' to GOD and 'seek help' in all their 'weaknesses' by 'boldly' coming to the 'Throne of Grace'.

As it is written;

"Come into the Light while the Light is still with you, because when gross darkness takes over, you will not stumble."

 

[atwhatcost]

Very well.

By oldhermit

As we move from creation to the garden there develops an emerging discontinuity between man and his association with forbidden things. When man is unconstrained by revelation, he quite naturally draws conclusions based upon how he relates to the world around him. Man allows what he experiences to influence how he defines what is relevant. Once man learns to link the natural to the eternal, he learns to represent human events in quite a different way. One cannot build a triadic picture of reality based upon experiential logic. Human rationalization operating on its own cannot properly context the relationship of man to the natural world. Building a triadic picture of reality is only possible when one learns to represent human experience in the light of revelation. To do this, one must allow revelation to transcend experiential logic.


There is an example of triadic structure that demonstrates how the natural world and the supernatural world relate to one another in the eternal continuum. At the beginning of man’s history in the garden, the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil were mentioned in the context of man’s relationship both to God and to the natural world. The text never seems to indicate that in the beginning there was any prohibition to the tree of life but that man was only denied access to the tree of knowledge. It was not until after the fall of man that God placed an angel with a flaming sword at the east of the garden to prohibit man’s access to the tree of life. The way in which Adam chose to represent these trees would reflect his understanding of his association with both God and the natural world. As the narrative unfolds, it becomes clear that access to the tree of life was predicated upon man’s observance of the divine prohibition of the other. Man was to have absolutely no contact with the tree of knowledge. God had provided every tree of the garden for man’s use and pleasure, but this tree was to be left strictly alone. These two trees stand as symbols of a world beyond man’s sensory existence. The tree of forbidden knowledge represents the holiness, the superiority, and the sovereignty of God. It suggests that God always reserves unto Himself the things that belong exclusively to him. It is not merely the tree that has exclusivity, but what that tree represents. As a whole, man is never content to abide by prohibitions. Here, he desires the one thing he is denied. How characteristic this has proven to be of human nature!


Although man was given the highest place of honor as the crowning creation of God with dominion over all creation, this tree was a reminder that even man is not God. Man must stand in the index position of this triadic structure and link the tree of knowledge that he can see to the will of God whom he cannot see. He must also link this tree to revealed consequences that he cannot see and has never before experienced. For Adam to properly relate to both worlds he must learn to link the eternal world to the natural world by bringing God’s warning to bear upon his relationship to this tree. He must learn how to define the nature of his relationship to this tree based on what God had told him about it. Now, this epistemology did not just apply to this tree but extended to everything in man’s dominion. He must understand his relationship to all of his domain based upon this triadic epistemology. God had already defined his function in creation and man must relate to his world according to the words of the Lord.



From the beginning, man was confronted with a decision in his association with this icon of good and evil. This tree was a symbol of an unseen reality. There is a particular type of knowledge man was not equipped to handle and should not seek to obtain. The accessibility of the tree shows that man was also given the ability to obtain this knowledge. The prohibition laid down by God says that this knowledge is destructive to man. This reinforces man’s position as a subordinate creature to what is unseen. God had said, “From this tree of the knowledge of good and evil, you shalt not eat of it; for in the day that you eat from it, you shall surely die.” Here is a divine standard given to instruct man on how to think when he considers this tree. Since God has decreed that punishment will follow disobedience, the validity of God’s word is upheld. Divine judgment preserves divine justice because it is through the exercise of justice that God protects his holiness. Observance of this revelation becomes a matter of life and death. The ethics were simple; God said, “Don’t touch it.” This did not require a human analysis of ethics to decide what might be the right thing to do. Contact with the tree was evil both because God said it was evil, and because of what man would suffer as a result.


We know, because of how this tree is interpreted by the physical senses in the text that man, left on his own, could not arrive at this conclusion. Adam could not see what the tree represented. He could only see the physical dynamics of the tree. For the rest, he must rely upon what God had told him about the tree. Man requires instruction from God to protect him from that which he has no point of reference to understand. As the Creator, God understood things about the nature of man and his relationship to his environment that man did not know and was not created to know. Man was not endowed with the capacity to distinguish between good knowledge and evil knowledge. This truth has not changed. The knowledge provided by this tree was not a necessary component for man to fulfill his role within his assigned environment.


The environment of the garden supplied every conceivable human need. He was even given access to the tree of life and the garden was a secure environment where man had no experience with fear, shame, and disgrace. These were yet unknown elements. It was an aesthetic environment where God controlled access to knowledge. There were certain things that man knew by design, but the prohibition of the tree says that there were those things which man should never want to know or seek to know.


In the garden, man enjoyed the presence of God and the full awareness of God. God knew that through disobedience man would be exiled from this controlled and protected environment and from his fellowship with God. By violating God’s prohibition, man challenged the sovereignty of God. Man does not have the authority to mandate a standard of moral conduct. The text of Genesis shows us that this level of knowledge belongs exclusively to God. Because man chose to behave sinfully, he is now confronted with a new reality. Adam is now aware of a particular type of knowledge that will forever change the way mankind represents the relationship he has with the natural world and with his God. It also laid a foundation by which humanity would forever be forced to choose between these two epistemologies. Should we represent reality based on revelation from God or should we rely on those things learned from pragmatic experiences? Which one will we depend upon to tell us the truth about what is relevant?


Now, man has access to the knowledge of good and evil. This presents two problems: First, man does not know the difference between good and evil and secondly, history shows us that when man is left to his own, he will more often than not choose the evil to his own destruction, even when revelation is present. In Genesis 6:5, we see that by the time Noah comes on the scene, “every imagination of the thoughts of the heart is only evil continually,” (RSV). The fact that revelation was available to that generation is evident in the character of Noah. God regarded Noah as “righteous in his generation.” Righteousness is the result of submitting one’s self to revealed constraints. This deterioration of a divinely established ethic shows a complete reversal of a revealed epistemology. This is what happens when the mind of man becomes isolated from the revelation of God. This isolation was willful, deliberate, and fatal. When man is left to himself without a desire for revealed knowledge, he is characteristically self-destructive. If man is to survive spiritually in a cursed environment, it will require a revealed ethical standard that will enable him to represent properly his assigned place within creation.


When Satan approached Eve in the garden, he confronts her about the tree of knowledge. Eve rehearsed the commandment that God had given to them about this tree saying, “from the fruit of the trees of the garden we may eat, but of the tree that is in the midst of the garden you may not eat from it or touch it lest you die.” This represents a revealed language structure about certain truths concerning this tree that she could not know any other way. Satan then introduced a new way of thinking about what is true. He portrays this revealed grammar as unreliable and not to be trusted. “You shall not surely die for God knows that in the day you eat from it your eyes will be opened and you will be like God knowing good and evil.” The idea obviously appealed to Eve but the force of the temptation was more than just a desire to be like God. This new way of representing truth offered a means by which control could be shifted from God to man.


She relies upon an unrevealed method for making decisions. Rather than consulting God and relying upon revelation which, by her own admission she understood, she relied instead upon her five senses operating in this natural world to formulate her epistemological base. She “rationalizes” why it would be acceptable to eat that which had been forbidden. This reveals a distorted ethic in the misappropriation of things that belong to God. She contemplated stealing that which belongs to God and then attempted to justify the rightness of it in her own mind.


Satan’s temptation was two-fold based upon the decision matrix of the woman. This would imply that Satan understood something of the psychology of the woman and he capitalizes on her naiveté. Experientially, Eve knew nothing of Satan, temptation, evil, craftiness, the pain of disobedience, or death. The serpent created doubt in her mind about the motives, character, and purpose of God. He accused God of lying and planted the seed of evil ambition. “God knows that in the day you eat of it you will become like God.” The reality was that she was already like God. He creates suspicion in the mind of the woman by implying that God is deliberately withholding something from her that is both desirable and beneficial. It implies that, 1) man is just as good as God is, 2) God is unjust in this prohibition, and 3) man has the right to be God. This is a challenge of God’s sovereignty. At the heart of this, is the question of who has the right to be in control? Who has the right to decide what is best for man? A worldly epistemology says that man has the wisdom to decide what is best for him. A revealed epistemology says that God not only knows what is best but he is also able to supply it.


Satan then makes an appeal to the empirical and aesthetic observation. Eve saw that the fruit was good for food and was pleasing to the eye. He also appeals to the subjective impulse; it was desirable to make one wise, which the text defines as knowing good from evil. Where then was the sin? The sin was allowing human logic and rationalization to overrule the revelation of God. This is a propensity of humanly derived standards of ethics. The decision was made by appealing to an uninspired epistemology rather than to the words of the Lord. Human logic and rationalization are not valid determinants for deciding what is right or wrong. God said, “Don’t touch it.” This alone determines what is right or wrong.

Finally, had the time and the aspirin to digest this some.

First, it does answer Bowhunter's question better than anything I could pull out. (Then again, I'm not a Biblical scholar.)

Second, question: You keep saying God said, "Don't touch it." He didn't say that. He said not to eat from it. But, oddly enough Eve went with don't eat and don't touch. This has made me wonder for the longest time, wasn't she already pulling away from God before the serpent came along? Wasn't she already rewriting God's law to fit herself? Putting herself up there with God already on making her own law? And, I'm not saying she was sinning yet. (I can't. I don't know.) But it strikes me we have always had the proclivity to out-do God, even before the first sin. The nature to draw our own lines in the sand around God's line.

(Still, a big Wow on this article. Thanks.)

 

[atwhatcost]

i agree they did mot know the difference between good and bad.

an action building an ark, abraham believed god, and was give a promise.when did this action or belief, have anything to do with good or bad., ( Righteousness in god eyes ie paul gal 3. )

define good and bad, is not the same as a built in soul, ie senses like taste, touch,

with out the soul or senses they will always be there. to determine a reaction or response gal 5

I have never understood this. What does soul have to do with it? For that matter, what is soul? How did it become a separate entity? It often feels like a third leg.
1. God's will.
2. Our will.
3. Our soul.

 

[oldhermit]

Finally, had the time and the aspirin to digest this some.

First, it does answer Bowhunter's question better than anything I could pull out. (Then again, I'm not a Biblical scholar.)

Second, question: You keep saying God said, "Don't touch it." He didn't say that. He said not to eat from it. But, oddly enough Eve went with don't eat and don't touch. This has made me wonder for the longest time, wasn't she already pulling away from God before the serpent came along? Wasn't she already rewriting God's law to fit herself? Putting herself up there with God already on making her own law? And, I'm not saying she was sinning yet. (I can't. I don't know.) But it strikes me we have always had the proclivity to out-do God, even before the first sin. The nature to draw our own lines in the sand around God's line.

(Still, a big Wow on this article. Thanks.)

Yes, Eve offers an expanded representation of the prohibition of the tree as given by God. Question, If God had not actually said that why did the serpent not use that as a tool against her. Also, how could Eve have lied about what God had said? Sin had not yet entered man's world. Eve's account of this prohibition certainly agrees with the overall intent of God n this matter. They were to have absolutely no contact with that tree. It was to left alone. It is important to remember that the initial account of this prohibition most certain does not represent the whole of that conversation. We see this kind of thing everywhere in the gospels.

 

[atwhatcost]

firstly we know god knows good and bad.

the point is when did humans understand things, like the soul. anger must be mastered as god told cain.
for example.
you still ,can have sexual feelings yet its a part of you, that needs to be mastered it dose not stop being a part of you, something need to be mastered yet cannot be removed as it has a built in function to determine a emotion.



illness can it be mastered,

so if god never told them how did they define good and bad.

Pssst, I think I just pointed out that not all humans understand soul.

 

[atwhatcost]

Yes, the work is mine and is published under my real name. This is just part of my teaching outline on Genesis which I incorporated from a previous work of mine on Triadic Reality and the Nature of God.

I'm still new to this site, so I don't know. I know we're not supposed to link to our own sites, but is it okay to, if someone asks? i.e., Could you give the link to your site? It looks like it might be of interest to me. (I'd give you a link to my site, but it's just stories about teddy bears, so more fun than useful. lol)

 

[oldhermit]

I'm still new to this site, so I don't know. I know we're not supposed to link to our own sites, but is it okay to, if someone asks? i.e., Could you give the link to your site? It looks like it might be of interest to me. (I'd give you a link to my site, but it's just stories about teddy bears, so more fun than useful. lol)

Well, there is an old thread here on CC where this is discussed at length between myself and another member and you can post any questions you may have on that thread.
[h=1]Triadic Reality (a discussion between oldhermit and Kenisis)[/h]There is also another site but it is not a chat forum. It is also not my site I am only the teacher on that site. I can email you the link.

 

[royalscot]

I am not understanding what this has to do with the OP

Salvation is not by morality.
the things god dose for the christian via the holy spirit, is not our Righteous Judgements.

like abraham , believed god could raise the dead. do christian believe that god raised jesus christ from the dead.

belief and judgement differ.

16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.John 3(are you to believe or make judgement )

2 Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith?Galatians 3
(dose god move among us because of our action, or what we believe to be true.)

the spirit intercedes for us.
26 Likewise the Spirit helps us in our weakness. For we do not know what to pray for as we ought, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words.27 And he who searches hearts knows what is the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints according to the will of God.28Romans 8

and god establishes us in christ.
21 And it is God who establishes us with you in Christ, and has anointed us,22 and who has also put his seal on us and given us his Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee.2 Corinthians 1

 

[oldthennew]

sin was definitely in their world, oldhermit,
it was just another path lying in wait behind
the door.

 

[oldhermit]

sin was definitely in their world, oldhermit,
it was just another path lying in wait behind
the door.

I would agree that the presence of the serpent represents the presence of sin in the literal sense but as Paul reminds us, it was through man that sin entered the world. This was the direct result of the violation of the divine prohibition. Until that time sin and consequence were yet unknown elements to Adam and Eve.

 

[atwhatcost]

Yes, Eve offers an expanded representation of the prohibition of the tree as given by God. Question, If God had not actually said that why did the serpent not use that as a tool against her. Also, how could Eve have lied about what God had said? Sin had not yet entered man's world. Eve's account of this prohibition certainly agrees with the overall intent of God n this matter. They were to have absolutely no contact with that tree. It was to left alone. It is important to remember that the initial account of this prohibition most certain does not represent the whole of that conversation. We see this kind of thing everywhere in the gospels.

Dad says, "Be home by 10."

I hear, "Be home by 10, or Dad's going to kill me." Technically, I don't really think Dad's going to kill me, but I want to ingrain in my head, "Be home no later than 9:55." I'm not lying by thinking these things. (Or maybe I am, but don't consider it a lie.) I have, however, drawn a line around Dad's line.

If I were equally as smart with God, (and, heaven knows, I came home after 10 a couple times, so smart was never in my nature), I'd accept him at his terms. 10 o'clock it is. Don't eat it is. But, knowing I tend to miss the mark -- the line in the sand -- I can see making the target area a lot bigger to avoid screwing up.

Then again, Eve, at that point, had no history of screwing up, so there is a good chance you're right and it was a Don't touch too.

It's really hard (possibly impossible) to do God's will through empirical evidence. lol

I've had chronic pain for going on 16 years. Back problems, so doctors have talked me into getting shots in the back. The last time, my back stopped hurting for a full day. When it came back, it didn't seem worth the effort (and expense) for just one day pain free. Having one day without that stupid "you just had to eat from that tree, didn't you" life sentence over me, (and I know I would have eaten too) -- well, that would be worth it. I would so love to experience a moment, a whole day, where my mind isn't permanently (in this body anyway) stuck on having that knowledge of evil genetically encoded into my DNA. I would so appreciate one single day of seeing God clearly, minus the Fall, even if I had to go back to this the next day. I cannot imagine what it was like before, and I really wish I could.

To not think, "9:55 is my goal." Instead, God's unadulterated will and I can, and want to, do it. Wow.

 

[atwhatcost]

Well, there is an old thread here on CC where this is discussed at length between myself and another member and you can post any questions you may have on that thread.
Triadic Reality (a discussion between oldhermit and Kenisis)

There is also another site but it is not a chat forum. It is also not my site I am only the teacher on that site. I can email you the link.

Thanks. I'm going to have to start with an unrushed mind again, so won't be able to read it until another quiet moment.

 

[pwrnJC]

Nobody's morality is good enough to merit heaven. All of one's righteousness is as filthy rags. If our morality gets us 'good enough for heaven", then it was in total vain that JESUS suffered and died on the cross. We live in the aftermath of 'sin' since Adam and Eve and that sin separates us from GOD..but GOD made a way for us to bridge that huge gap...it's a cross that HIS Son JESUS died on that lays before us, making it possible for passage. Try as we may, we will never be good enough. When GOD looks down on mankind, HE sees those who are walking away from HIM and those who are covered by the blood of JESUS. IT is purely the blood of JESUS that makes us whole, while clinging to HIS promises of life eternally. OUR journey is so exciting here on earth, now that we have the Holy SPIRIT as our guide, our Comforter. Please find a bible believing and acting church home so that you can grow spiritually and get fed. Stop looking to the dictionary for definitions and keep your nose in GOD's WORD!!!!!

 

[Bowhunter2394]

Nobody's morality is good enough to merit heaven. All of one's righteousness is as filthy rags. If our morality gets us 'good enough for heaven", then it was in total vain that JESUS suffered and died on the cross. We live in the aftermath of 'sin' since Adam and Eve and that sin separates us from GOD..but GOD made a way for us to bridge that huge gap...it's a cross that HIS Son JESUS died on that lays before us, making it possible for passage. Try as we may, we will never be good enough. When GOD looks down on mankind, HE sees those who are walking away from HIM and those who are covered by the blood of JESUS. IT is purely the blood of JESUS that makes us whole, while clinging to HIS promises of life eternally. OUR journey is so exciting here on earth, now that we have the Holy SPIRIT as our guide, our Comforter. Please find a bible believing and acting church home so that you can grow spiritually and get fed. Stop looking to the dictionary for definitions and keep your nose in GOD's WORD!!!!!

Careful, I've had My Nose in His Word for 21 years now.. btw... who is LOOKING TO THE dictionary for definitions? you sound very religious, let me guess, your more than likely a member of a very large pentecostal denomination, mmmm I bet my discernment is correct, ye can always tell their 'fruit'.. lolz.... careful... you sound just like your mother as per your post on another thread, 'familiar' maybe? Indeed!

 

[Bowhunter2394]

Nobody's morality is good enough to merit heaven. All of one's righteousness is as filthy rags. If our morality gets us 'good enough for heaven", then it was in total vain that JESUS suffered and died on the cross. We live in the aftermath of 'sin' since Adam and Eve and that sin separates us from GOD..but GOD made a way for us to bridge that huge gap...it's a cross that HIS Son JESUS died on that lays before us, making it possible for passage. Try as we may, we will never be good enough. When GOD looks down on mankind, HE sees those who are walking away from HIM and those who are covered by the blood of JESUS. IT is purely the blood of JESUS that makes us whole, while clinging to HIS promises of life eternally. OUR journey is so exciting here on earth, now that we have the Holy SPIRIT as our guide, our Comforter. Please find a bible believing and acting church home so that you can grow spiritually and get fed. Stop looking to the dictionary for definitions and keep your nose in GOD's WORD!!!!!

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Originally Posted by pwrnJC

WOW! My mom, a devout Christian and pastor's wife, is the most negative insulting person that I have ever known. Yes, I love her, but her legalisitic views and constant negativity is something that nobody needs. She lives in her own make believe world that excludes any gray areas. We can't go out to a restaurant together as she will demand exceptional service and food and pricing which never happens. She walked out of my daughter's wedding because I danced with my daughter and dancing is a huge SIN. She tells my son, who is a medic and an EMT that because he has a little 3 inch cross of CHRIST tatooed between his shoulder blades that he is "Going to HELL". She wonders why nobody in the neighborhood ever takes them out for dinner, yet I've never known her to pick up the phone and ask anyone over. Her antics are legendary and it has hurt dad's pastoral ministry over the decades as those who try to get close to them eventually end up her enemies. The positive thing that I have gotten out of all of this is that I have learned from Her mistakes and have made a better life for myself and I Force myself to compliment and encourage others. There will always be a huge split between her and my children because of her instant judgement calls. I have to leave this burden at the foot of the cross and not carry it anymore. In short, each person is responsible for their own choices and behavior. It is not up to YOU to change your mom's mentality.
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Exactly the same thing your mother was so 'critical' about in your life, you have manifested the 'same' qualities in your one post on here.... WHAT DID JESUS TALK ABOUT , getting the beam out of your own eye, then you will able to 'see' clearly to cast the speck out of another's eye'. indeed! you manifest the same Pharisiical spirit, you called your mom on.. lolz.. so very very evident!

 

[SeaBass]

Morality is based on the character of God.

Salvation is not by morality.

Is it moral or immoral to disobey the will of God?

Is it moral or immoral to work to obey God's will?