A Time of Great Tribulation

[Red33]

Mt 24:3-22

3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.

9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
16 Then let them which be in Judea flee into the mountains:
17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.



What kind of tribulation is Jesus referring to in (verse 21)?

Was this tribulation, that Jesus is referring to, ever mentioned or referred to in any of the epistles that was written to any of the churches? If so, where?

If not, why?

Where else in the scriptures do we see this time of great tribulation specifically mentioned?

Does (Rev 2:22 & 7:14) refer to the same great tribulation that Christ spoke of in (verse 21)?

Who was cast into the great tribulation in (Rev 2:22)?

Who are the ones that came out of the great tribulation with their robes washed white with the blood of the Lamb in (Rev 7:14)?

By this time how many of the seals have taken place upon the earth and what is the next event that is about to happen upon the earth concerning the Lamb?

During what part of this time of great tribulation have the first (6) seals taken place?

Where in the book of (Revelations) does this time of great tribulation begin and where does it end?

Are there any events that take place that are given as a sign of the beginning and a sign of the end of this time of great tribulation?

 

[Scotth1960]

Mt 24:3-22

3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.

9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
16 Then let them which be in Judea flee into the mountains:
17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.



What kind of tribulation is Jesus referring to in (verse 21)?

Was this tribulation, that Jesus is referring to, ever mentioned or referred to in any of the epistles that was written to any of the churches? If so, where?

If not, why?

Where else in the scriptures do we see this time of great tribulation specifically mentioned?

Does (Rev 2:22 & 7:14) refer to the same great tribulation that Christ spoke of in (verse 21)?

Who was cast into the great tribulation in (Rev 2:22)?

Who are the ones that came out of the great tribulation with their robes washed white with the blood of the Lamb in (Rev 7:14)?

By this time how many of the seals have taken place upon the earth and what is the next event that is about to happen upon the earth concerning the Lamb?

During what part of this time of great tribulation have the first (6) seals taken place?

Where in the book of (Revelations) does this time of great tribulation begin and where does it end?

Are there any events that take place that are given as a sign of the beginning and a sign of the end of this time of great tribulation?

Scripture? "But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes". 2 Timothy 2:23 KJV The future is in God's hands; leave it to God. It's not for any of us to know the times and seasons which are in the Father's hands. Take care.

 

[Red33]

These are some of the questions that you ask yourself as you study a topic or subject material that is presented in the text of a given passage of scripture. This helps you organize your thinking and keeps you objective with the text at hand. If you a student of the word you might have understood this, but I will chalk it up to your inexperience and lack of study habits in relationship to the topic of the great tribulation and all relevant doctrine on this subject.

 

[Scotth1960]

These are some of the questions that you ask yourself as you study a topic or subject material that is presented in the text of a given passage of scripture. This helps you organize your thinking and keeps you objective with the text at hand. If you a student of the word you might have understood this, but I will chalk it up to your inexperience and lack of study habits in relationship to the topic of the great tribulation and all relevant doctrine on this subject.

The great tribulation was fulfilled in 70 AD. Whether there will be any future great tribulation before the Second Coming is up to God. The future course of world events is not clearly revealed, as ALL 70 weeks of DANIEL have already been fulfilled in History. The Messiah was cut off after the 69th week, and then the 70th week followed after the 69th week of Daniel. Prophecy was thus FULFILLED. PARTIAL PRETERIST VIEW. Some events still future, as in the coming again of Christ, and the new heaven, new earth, and NEW JERUSALEM. STILL IN GOD'S FUTURE. Take care.

 

[Red33]

The great tribulation was fulfilled in 70 AD. Whether there will be any future great tribulation before the Second Coming is up to God. The future course of world events is not clearly revealed, as ALL 70 weeks of DANIEL have already been fulfilled in History. The Messiah was cut off after the 69th week, and then the 70th week followed after the 69th week of Daniel. Prophecy was thus FULFILLED. PARTIAL PRETERIST VIEW. Some events still future, as in the coming again of Christ, and the new heaven, new earth, and NEW JERUSALEM. STILL IN GOD'S FUTURE. Take care.

Are you talking about the same one that Christ referred to in (Mt 24:21)?

 

[Scotth1960]

Are you talking about the same one that Christ referred to in (Mt 24:21)?

Matthew talked about the tribulations associated with the destruction of the Jewish temple prophesied by Jesus Christ our LORD; this was fulfilled literally in 70 AD, and the Romans burned Jerusalem and left all the stones of the temple torn down. Only a partial wall of the outer part of the temple remains; the whole temple itself was utterly destroyed by the Romans, just as Christ predicted. As for future great tribulations, the fathers of the church have said that there was a partial fulfillment of Matthew 24, etc. in 70 AD, and there would be times of trouble at the end of the age before the return of the Lord Jesus at His second coming, the day of the LORD. The exact details are not spelled out, because no one knows the day nor the hour, so the signs are not so specific that anyone can know the date of the end of the ages. Many today are defying Scripture and attempting to know the end of time and judgment day, but only God the Father knows about this, not even Christ the Son knows this. Nor the angels of heaven. The Father only knows when His Son will return. Take care.

 

[fireflies]

These are some of the questions that you ask yourself as you study a topic or subject material that is presented in the text of a given passage of scripture. This helps you organize your thinking and keeps you objective with the text at hand. If you a student of the word you might have understood this, but I will chalk it up to your inexperience and lack of study habits in relationship to the topic of the great tribulation and all relevant doctrine on this subject.

Whoa man! You just disrespected your elder? This person is older and wiser than you and you talk so arrogant to them? You chalk it up to their in experience? They are old and wiser than you are dude. You need some humbling in my opinion. Respect your elders.

 

[fireflies]

"But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes". 2 Timothy


The older and wiser man quoted scripture. Enough said.

 

[Devolution]

Scripture? "But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes". 2 Timothy 2:23 KJV The future is in God's hands; leave it to God. It's not for any of us to know the times and seasons which are in the Father's hands. Take care.

How is it possible these questions asked were foolish? These are valid questions and are in no wise foolish. SEEK and ye shall find. Looks to me like this advice Jesus gave is being practiced is all.

Rev 16:15
Behold, I come as a thief, Blessed is he that watches and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

So we are told that IF we watch...watch for what? SIGNS....THESE types that do so are considered BLESSED.

Rev 22:12
Behold, I come quickly, blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the PROPHECY of THIS BOOK.

To keep the prophecies one must try understand by first SEEKING out the meanings of these prophecies...so to call one foolish for OBEYING and SEEKING....well....is that not foolish in itself and in direct opposition to Christs advice?

Acts 1
6> When, they therefore were come together, they asked of Him, saying, Lord, wilt Thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
7> And He said unto them, It is not for YOU to know the times or the seasons, which the Father has put in His own power.

The Apostles were really asking Jesus this: Lord...what DAY will You restore the kingdom of Israel? Jesus was simply telling THEM that this INFORMATION was not for THEM to know...not even times (or even "thereabouts" clues) or seasons (no insight will be given to THEM at all) So to use this scripture in any other way (as it was incorrectly used ) is not accurate, and should not be practiced to suit any particular personal belief one may hold.

 

[wakeup]

Scripture? "But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes". 2 Timothy 2:23 KJV The future is in God's hands; leave it to God. It's not for any of us to know the times and seasons which are in the Father's hands. Take care.

TEAR OUT ALL THE PROPHESIES ,AND THROW IT ALL IN THE TRASH BIN.
IS THIS WHAT YOU ARE SAYING SCOTT??

WAKEUP.

 

[zone]

TEAR OUT ALL THE PROPHESIES ,AND THROW IT ALL IN THE TRASH BIN.
IS THIS WHAT YOU ARE SAYING SCOTT??

WAKEUP.

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Scofield's Footnotes

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/20699-dispensationalism-2.html#post398473 < click

 

[wakeup]

"But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes". 2 Timothy


The older and wiser man quoted scripture. Enough said.

where do you come from ? regarding those serious questions as foolish.
well answer those foolish questions then. i am sure you have got no clue
what those questions are about.
wakeup.

 

[zone]

where do you come from ? regarding those serious questions as foolish.
well answer those foolish questions then. i am sure you have got no clue
what those questions are about.
wakeup.

wakeup...

QUESTIONS:
what happens after the great tribulation?

what is Daniel's 4th beast?

who is the woman of Revelation 17?

 

[journey41]

Mt 24:3-22

Hi Red. I think I can answer your questions. I spent hours this morning studying and going over everything that I thought I knew. I had to wipe everything out that I wrote, and start again. You see I've always thought that the Great Tribulation is that war in Israel, but I think it is the whole period of when false prophet and his armies take control from beginning to end. Basic common sense tells us that all christians are going to be forced to make a choice. If we refuse the mark, we are going to get persecuted. So the great trib is everything wrapped up concerning last days, and all the events before Christs return. These include; The great deception, the false prophets arrival, his hatred for the saints, the issuing of the mark, the wrath of God on the world with all the plagues, the horrible punishment on Israel and what they are going to have to endure by being invaded by the kings of the north & the kings of the east coming over. That great war where christ has to come and intervene or else all flesh will be destroyed, the big earthquake, the great hail. All of it rolled into one. A time of Great Tribulation which will affect the whole world.

What kind of tribulation is Jesus referring to in (verse 21)?

see above

Was this tribulation, that Jesus is referring to, ever mentioned or referred to in any of the epistles that was written to any of the churches? If so, where?
If not, why?

No's because it was revealed later in Revelations when the seals were opened by the lamb.

Where else in the scriptures do we see this time of great tribulation specifically mentioned?

Throughout the old testament. It mainly talks about the period concerning invasion of Israel.Ezekiel 16:37-63, 21:31-32, Dan 12:1,10, Hosea 10:8,Joel 1:5-20, 2:1-11, Amos 6:5-13, 7:17, 8:1-14, Micah 4:10, Nahum 3:1-19, Zephaniah 1:18, ch 2 & 3:1-8, Zechariah ch 14,

Does (Rev 2:22 & 7:14) refer to the same great tribulation that Christ spoke of in (verse 21)?

yes

Who was cast into the great tribulation in (Rev 2:22)?

Those belonging to Babylon the Great and those who still have a foot in her. This includes luke warm christians.

Who are the ones that came out of the great tribulation with their robes washed white with the blood of the Lamb in (Rev 7:14)?

Those that refused the mark, and those that endured till the end, not denying Christ.

By this time how many of the seals have taken place upon the earth and what is the next event that is about to happen upon the earth concerning the Lamb?

When the false prophet arrives, it will be on the fourth seal - Pale horse. We are riding the black horse now (3rd seal).

During what part of this time of great tribulation have the first (6) seals taken place?

. The false prophet will occupy Israel for a total 3 1/2 years. After he has occupied for 2 years & 5 months, the angel blows the 6th trumpet and the armies(kings of the north and kings of the east) will assemble in Israel.This is a gathering only they are preparing for battle. The war will last 1 year, one month and one day. Then Christ will come to stop so that all flesh doesn't get destroyed.
Please note: the 6th seal contains - first 6 trumpets/vials, and the 7th Seal contains the 7th trump/vial. Because on the 7th seal & trump "it is done" Christs return, great earthquake, & great hail. Finished. Christ sets up his new kingdom now.

Where in the book of (Revelations) does this time of great tribulation begin and where does it end?

It begins with the pale hore on the 4th seal and ends on the 7th seal which contains the 7th trump only.

Are there any events that take place that are given as a sign of the beginning and a sign of the end of this time of great tribulation?

Sure is, when we see the 10 kings form, we know then that the little horn will soon emerge (false prophet) and when we see the abomination of desolation completed and two witnessess killed then we know christ will now come.

Regards
Journey

 

[AnandaHya]

I have a question: if i is the time of tribulation what does God expect us to do?

I don't know from my reading of it He expects us to continue abiding in His word. loving each other so that the world will know we are His disciples and do all the things we would anyways. We can't know the time it will happen, so we should be prepared and awake whether it comes tonight or a thousand years from now.

I think its fine to ask questions and the Bible says not to call people fools or be in danger of Hell fire.so i'd be careful about insulting each others intelligence. I think we are all trying to figure out what God wants us to be doing and what the Bible means. However, you do have a point All the chaos and suffering might be like the waves that makes Peter take his eyes off of Jesus.

Jesus told His disciples they would be fishers of men. So what is the line and the lure? How do you convince people to stop treading water and climb into the boat? Or perhaps those are the wrong questions.

Only God has the power to change people's hearts, we are just asked to clothe and feed them. Jesus saves souls, we show our love for others because God first loved us. Have you ever noticed that if you smile at people the automatic response from most people is to smile back? If someone shows you they love you, most of the time you return the sentiment. But Jesus challenges us to love those who hate and revile us. What happens if we fail to live up to God's standards? I don't know, I just think we should keep trying until we get closer to the ideal. Eventually God will entrust us with grown up responsibilities and reveal to us His plan for our lives. For now we follow the light of Faith and when our Faith is stronger perhaps we can see a little bit farther then before, but no matter what it will be enough if we walk with Jesus as our guide.

Jesus tells us not to worry about the troubles of tomorrow because we have enough to occupy our thoughts today. He teaches to thank God every day for our food, to forgive everyone and to be guided away from temptation and deliverance from evil because God has the power and the glory Forever.

It is our choice to walk towards the light or away from it.

 

[wakeup]

Mt 24:3-22

3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.

9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
16 Then let them which be in Judea flee into the mountains:
17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.



What kind of tribulation is Jesus referring to in (verse 21)?

Was this tribulation, that Jesus is referring to, ever mentioned or referred to in any of the epistles that was written to any of the churches? If so, where?

If not, why?

Where else in the scriptures do we see this time of great tribulation specifically mentioned?

Does (Rev 2:22 & 7:14) refer to the same great tribulation that Christ spoke of in (verse 21)?

Who was cast into the great tribulation in (Rev 2:22)?

Who are the ones that came out of the great tribulation with their robes washed white with the blood of the Lamb in (Rev 7:14)?

By this time how many of the seals have taken place upon the earth and what is the next event that is about to happen upon the earth concerning the Lamb?

During what part of this time of great tribulation have the first (6) seals taken place?

Where in the book of (Revelations) does this time of great tribulation begin and where does it end?

Are there any events that take place that are given as a sign of the beginning and a sign of the end of this time of great tribulation?

hi red. does it ever occur to you that there are some sent to disrupt the true seekers?
so you know what to do.
wakeup.

 

[wakeup]

Mt 24:3-22

3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.

9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
16 Then let them which be in Judea flee into the mountains:
17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.



What kind of tribulation is Jesus referring to in (verse 21)?

Was this tribulation, that Jesus is referring to, ever mentioned or referred to in any of the epistles that was written to any of the churches? If so, where?

If not, why?

Where else in the scriptures do we see this time of great tribulation specifically mentioned?

Does (Rev 2:22 & 7:14) refer to the same great tribulation that Christ spoke of in (verse 21)?

Who was cast into the great tribulation in (Rev 2:22)?

Who are the ones that came out of the great tribulation with their robes washed white with the blood of the Lamb in (Rev 7:14)?

By this time how many of the seals have taken place upon the earth and what is the next event that is about to happen upon the earth concerning the Lamb?

During what part of this time of great tribulation have the first (6) seals taken place?

Where in the book of (Revelations) does this time of great tribulation begin and where does it end?

Are there any events that take place that are given as a sign of the beginning and a sign of the end of this time of great tribulation?

hi red.you have presented some good questions that can be answered.
but does it occur to you that there are some sent to disrupt the true seekrs.
they have one agenda, and that is to confuse.
so you know what to do. ignore and they will flee.
wakeup.

 

[Red33]

I have a question: if i is the time of tribulation what does God expect us to do?

I don't know from my reading of it He expects us to continue abiding in His word. loving each other so that the world will know we are His disciples and do all the things we would anyways. We can't know the time it will happen, so we should be prepared and awake whether it comes tonight or a thousand years from now.

I think its fine to ask questions and the Bible says not to call people fools or be in danger of Hell fire.so i'd be careful about insulting each others intelligence. I think we are all trying to figure out what God wants us to be doing and what the Bible means. However, you do have a point All the chaos and suffering might be like the waves that makes Peter take his eyes off of Jesus.

Jesus told His disciples they would be fishers of men. So what is the line and the lure? How do you convince people to stop treading water and climb into the boat? Or perhaps those are the wrong questions.

Only God has the power to change people's hearts, we are just asked to clothe and feed them. Jesus saves souls, we show our love for others because God first loved us. Have you ever noticed that if you smile at people the automatic response from most people is to smile back? If someone shows you they love you, most of the time you return the sentiment. But Jesus challenges us to love those who hate and revile us. What happens if we fail to live up to God's standards? I don't know, I just think we should keep trying until we get closer to the ideal. Eventually God will entrust us with grown up responsibilities and reveal to us His plan for our lives. For now we follow the light of Faith and when our Faith is stronger perhaps we can see a little bit farther then before, but no matter what it will be enough if we walk with Jesus as our guide.

Jesus tells us not to worry about the troubles of tomorrow because we have enough to occupy our thoughts today. He teaches to thank God every day for our food, to forgive everyone and to be guided away from temptation and deliverance from evil because God has the power and the glory Forever.

It is our choice to walk towards the light or away from it.

Ananda,

This is a great post that comes right from the heart and from a godly spirit. Much of what you say is very true especially concerning how we grow by continuing to go on by faith. I love that because of (Eph 1:9) and because of the contentment that we can have through Christ. Your last paragraph is a gem and we should hide that in our heart because it is practical and filled with the right kind of faith.

Paul said something about loving people in 2Cor 12:15...

15 And I will very gladly spend and be spent for you; though the more abundantly I love you, the less I be loved.

When we love others we usually think of that love being reciprocated, in a marriage, in a family and with others, but that is not what Paul found to be true. Think of the love that God had for the world when He sent His Son to take away the sins of the world, His Son was despised and reject, He came unto His own and they received Him not, He layed His life down for them but they crucified Him. The more that He loved the less He was loved. When you look at all the gospels and read their accounts of His rejection, you see that He was crucified because they considered Him to be an evil man, that was of the devil, He had an unclean spirit and He was a blasphemer who made Himself equal with God. Is it any wonder that Jesus gave a new commandment to love one another as I have loved you in (Jn 13:34) and to continue in that love (Jn 15:9). If we continue in that same love that motivated the Lord Jesus Christ, this is what we have to look forward to in (Mt 10:16-40) especially verses 25,36...

25 It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more shall they call them of his household?

36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.

It is not a pretty picture but it points to the undeniable fact that when we love others with the love of God that is according to the nature of truth, some will respond and others will totally reject that love and accuse it of having evil motives, to put it bluntly.

Song of Sol 8:7
7 Many waters cannot quench love, neither can floods drown it. If a man would offer all the goods of his house for love, he would be utterly scorned and despised

Our conclusion has to be one that we continue in that love and do what (Heb 12:1-3) instructs us ...


1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,
2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
3 For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds.

.

 

[zone]

wakeup...

QUESTION:

who is the woman of Revelation 17?

hi wakeup.
we had a dialogue (of sorts) going concerning the eschaton....i wondered why you aren't answering the 3 questions i asked above (?)

maybe just this one question for now.

thanks
zone

 

[wakeup]

These are some of the questions that you ask yourself as you study a topic or subject material that is presented in the text of a given passage of scripture. This helps you organize your thinking and keeps you objective with the text at hand. If you a student of the word you might have understood this, but I will chalk it up to your inexperience and lack of study habits in relationship to the topic of the great tribulation and all relevant doctrine on this subject.

anyone not following the scriptures ,obviously dont have the holy spirit,(the spirit of truth ).
so it is clear that the spirit of confusion is taking controle,therefore their doctrine is up side down
bitter is sweet to them, and sweet is bitter. good is bad to them and bad is good.
dont marvel there will be more coming. the idea is to disrupt, confuse, to make the scriptures of no effect.
there is no need to read the scriptures, just put it away we will teach you, just follow. you are stupid,
we are the learned: did you noticed that jesus did not choose the learned for his apostles.
God always choose the humble for his work.
wakeup.