About Asking For Money

[Jon4TheCross]

Throughout the entire portion of The Word of God we call the Holy Bible, I have not found so much as one example or commandment which allows or supports the decision to ask for money/food/stuff etc, from someone other than God, if you are asking concerning you or THE/HIS ministry.

I understand many claim to have their own ministry, but I'm sure we can all agree that there is certainly only One Ministry:

Eph 4:1 I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called,
Eph 4:2 With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love;
Eph 4:3 Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.
Eph 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
Eph 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
Eph 4:7 But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.

Even in the Levitical Priesthood, God told Israel to keep 90% and tithe 10% to The Everlasting Priesthood. This priesthood does not ask for money because God supplies all we need, nor will we charge for anything that is supposed to be edifying to the body of Christ or help another body.

It's ok to ask for money like Paul did, and Paul was not asking to help himself:

2Co 8:8 I speak not by commandment, but by occasion of the forwardness of others, and to prove the sincerity of your love.
2Co 8:9 For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich.
2Co 8:10 And herein I give my advice: for this is expedient for you, who have begun before, not only to do, but also to be forward a year ago.
2Co 8:11 Now therefore perform the doing of it; that as there was a readiness to will, so there may be a performance also out of that which ye have.
2Co 8:12 For if there be first a willing mind, it is accepted according to that a man hath, and not according to that he hath not.
2Co 8:13 For I mean not that other men be eased, and ye burdened:
2Co 8:14 But by an equality, that now at this time your abundance may be a supply for their want, that their abundance also may be a supply for your want: that there may be equality:
2Co 8:15 As it is written, He that had gathered much had nothing over; and he that had gathered little had no lack.
2Co 8:16 But thanks be to God, which put the same earnest care into the heart of Titus for you.
2Co 8:17 For indeed he accepted the exhortation; but being more forward, of his own accord he went unto you.
2Co 8:18 And we have sent with him the brother, whose praise is in the gospel throughout all the churches;
2Co 8:19 And not that only, but who was also chosen of the churches to travel with us with this grace, which is administered by us to the glory of the same Lord, and declaration of your ready mind:
2Co 8:20 Avoiding this, that no man should blame us in this abundance which is administered by us:
2Co 8:21 Providing for honest things, not only in the sight of the Lord, but also in the sight of men.
2Co 8:22 And we have sent with them our brother, whom we have oftentimes proved diligent in many things, but now much more diligent, upon the great confidence which I have in you.
2Co 8:23 Whether any do enquire of Titus, he is my partner and fellowhelper concerning you: or our brethren be enquired of, they are the messengers of the churches, and the glory of Christ.
2Co 8:24 Wherefore shew ye to them, and before the churches, the proof of your love, and of our boasting on your behalf.

I really have not ever heard any scripture supportive of asking for money in the ways many do, or charging for anything intended to be edifying. If any do get defensive concerning this, and believe that asking for money is ok, I would ask that you would give scripture to support a specific way that you ask for that money to help others and grow in The Ministry.


I love you all.

 

[Trax]

Throughout the entire portion of The Word of God we call the Holy Bible, I have not found so much as one example or commandment which allows or supports the decision to ask for money/food/stuff etc, from someone other than God, if you are asking concerning you or THE/HIS ministry.

I understand many claim to have their own ministry, but I'm sure we can all agree that there is certainly only One Ministry:


I really have not ever heard any scripture supportive of asking for money in the ways many do, or charging for anything intended to be edifying. If any do get defensive concerning this, and believe that asking for money is ok, I would ask that you would give scripture to support a specific way that you ask for that money to help others and grow in The Ministry.


I love you all.

Well, have you any verses that says its wrong?

 

[Jon4TheCross]

Well, have you any verses that says its wrong?

Well, I can offer many examples of what we should do, if that's what you mean?

The question really is about charging for something helpful, which is what the everlasting priesthood is all about; helping and edifying spirits. Why would someone charge for something which is supposed to be edifying? I don't know, except that maybe they think they can't trust God with their life? We see a great example of what we should do, and if we're willing to agree with it, then maybe we have time to be established in it.

Act 4:32 And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common.

2Co 9:1 For as touching the ministering to the saints, it is superfluous for me to write to you:
2Co 9:2 For I know the forwardness of your mind, for which I boast of you to them of Macedonia, that Achaia was ready a year ago; and your zeal hath provoked very many.
2Co 9:3 Yet have I sent the brethren, lest our boasting of you should be in vain in this behalf; that, as I said, ye may be ready:
2Co 9:4 Lest haply if they of Macedonia come with me, and find you unprepared, we (that we say not, ye) should be ashamed in this same confident boasting.
2Co 9:5 Therefore I thought it necessary to exhort the brethren, that they would go before unto you, and make up beforehand your bounty, whereof ye had notice before, that the same might be ready, as a matter of bounty, and not as of covetousness.
2Co 9:6 But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully.
2Co 9:7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.
2Co 9:8 And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work:
2Co 9:9 (As it is written, He hath dispersed abroad; he hath given to the poor: his righteousness remaineth for ever.
2Co 9:10 Now he that ministereth seed to the sower both minister bread for your food, and multiply your seed sown, and increase the fruits of your righteousness
2Co 9:11 Being enriched in every thing to all bountifulness, which causeth through us thanksgiving to God.
2Co 9:12 For the administration of this service not only supplieth the want of the saints, but is abundant also by many thanksgivings unto God;
2Co 9:13 Whiles by the experiment of this ministration they glorify God for your professed subjection unto the gospel of Christ, and for your liberal distribution unto them, and unto all men;
2Co 9:14 And by their prayer for you, which long after you for the exceeding grace of God in you.
2Co 9:15 Thanks be unto God for his unspeakable gift.


1Ti 6:17 Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy;
1Ti 6:18 That they do good, that they be rich in good works, ready to distribute, willing to communicate;
1Ti 6:19 Laying up in store for themselves a good foundation against the time to come, that they may lay hold on eternal life.


2Co 8:14 But by an equality, that now at this time your abundance may be a supply for their want, that their abundance also may be a supply for your want: that there may be equality:


It's a matter of abundance, and really desiring no respect of persons, equality, and that the will of God be done in earth as it is in heaven. In heaven I know that we all share an equal quality of Life. Why would a person be happy to be living a better quality of life than another?

1Jn 3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.
1Jn 3:16 Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.
1Jn 3:17 But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?
1Jn 3:18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.
1Jn 3:19 And hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him.
1Jn 3:20 For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things.
1Jn 3:21 Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, then have we confidence toward God.
1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
1Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
1Jn 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

Rom 12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
Rom 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
Rom 12:3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

Joh 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.
Joh 15:13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

We all know that the example of the Everlasting High Priesthood (those with acess to the holiest of all/holy of holies) is something we need to try harder to show this world. The will of God be done in earth as it is in heaven, just as it is in the first Love and first works.

 

[kenisyes]

There's a story in the Talmud: Scripture says the Levites are to accept the tithe, not ask for the tithe. One day, a particular Levite started going around demanding it, quoting Scriptures (wrongly of course). He got people pretty upset, and the rabbis disapproved of what he did.

 

[BananaPie]

There's a story in the Talmud...

There's another story in the Talmud about double-dipping...
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As for the tithing or "asking for money," there are a few elements to consider.

1. Tithing was defined, explained, ordained and set in motion by God.

2. Tithing became a lifetime responsibility incorporated into the Law which God established.

3. The purpose for tithing was for the maintenance of those ministering (serving) full-time and part-time in God's Tabernacle, which later became the Temple in Jerusalem.

4. God granted ONLY MALES of the Levi Tribe and their MALE descendants to "make a living" by means of the tithes received, for only the Levi were allowed to serve in God's Temple.

5. Only those Levi males born physically normal, born mentally stable, lived morally and disease-free were allowed to serve (minister) in God's Temple. The excluded Levi were NOT allowed to minister in the Temple: they were financially supported by their respective head of household or earned a living elsewhere.

6. Once the Temple in Jerusalem was destroyed, the entire Levi priesthood and the Levi ancillary Temple staff system ceased; the original tithing system God had set in motion ceased with the Temple.

7. As if any of the Temple work would be relevant today anyway, the Lord Jesus became our full Atonement once for all.

8. All that is left with respect to Temple activity is a NEW COVENANT:

..."now He [Jesus] has obtained a more excellent ministry, by as much as He is also the Mediator of a better covenant, which has been enacted on better promises. ...When He [Jesus] said, "A new covenant," He has made the first [covenant Temple activity] obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear" (Hebrews 8:6-13).


In conclusion:
The concept of tithing is no longer a Christian duty because that old covenant was been replaced by Jesus (His blood and body as in the Lord's supper). We cannot have it both way: either the Law (and tithing) has been crucified and "done away," or by collecting a tithe you continue in bondage to the Law you cannot keep to begin with...

The Lord Jesus said, "freely you have received, freely give" with respect to expanding the gospel by way of serving others (Matthew 10:8). The Lord Himself did not have a place to rest His head...

...BTW, Christians really, really do not need elaborate buildings with cafeterias, gymnasium, office space, secretarial cubicles all tied into mega million mortgages plus expensively complicated audio-video equipment, housekeepers and gardeners on retainer, all for the purpose of gathering together to break bread "in remembrance of Me" as Jesus said to do.

The Lord's supper can easily be exercised by gathering in one's own home as the original Testament Church did.

 

[Jon4TheCross]

There's another story in the Talmud about double-dipping...
---------------------------
As for the tithing or "asking for money," there are a few elements to consider.

1. Tithing was defined, explained, ordained and set in motion by God.

2. Tithing became a lifetime responsibility incorporated into the Law which God established.

3. The purpose for tithing was for the maintenance of those ministering (serving) full-time and part-time in God's Tabernacle, which later became the Temple in Jerusalem.

4. God granted ONLY MALES of the Levi Tribe and their MALE descendants to "make a living" by means of the tithes received, for only the Levi were allowed to serve in God's Temple.

5. Only those Levi males born physically normal, born mentally stable, lived morally and disease-free were allowed to serve (minister) in God's Temple. The excluded Levi were NOT allowed to minister in the Temple: they were financially supported by their respective head of household or earned a living elsewhere.

6. Once the Temple in Jerusalem was destroyed, the entire Levi priesthood and the Levi ancillary Temple staff system ceased; the original tithing system God had set in motion ceased with the Temple.

7. As if any of the Temple work would be relevant today anyway, the Lord Jesus became our full Atonement once for all.

8. All that is left with respect to Temple activity is a NEW COVENANT:

..."now He [Jesus] has obtained a more excellent ministry, by as much as He is also the Mediator of a better covenant, which has been enacted on better promises. ...When He [Jesus] said, "A new covenant," He has made the first [covenant Temple activity] obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear" (Hebrews 8:6-13).


In conclusion:
The concept of tithing is no longer a Christian duty because that old covenant was been replaced by Jesus (His blood and body as in the Lord's supper). We cannot have it both way: either the Law (and tithing) has been crucified and "done away," or by collecting a tithe you continue in bondage to the Law you cannot keep to begin with...

The Lord Jesus said, "freely you have received, freely give" with respect to expanding the gospel by way of serving others (Matthew 10:8). The Lord Himself did not have a place to rest His head...

...BTW, Christians really, really do not need elaborate buildings with cafeterias, gymnasium, office space, secretarial cubicles all tied into mega million mortgages plus expensively complicated audio-video equipment, housekeepers and gardeners on retainer, all for the purpose of gathering together to break bread "in remembrance of Me" as Jesus said to do.

The Lord's supper can easily be exercised by gathering in one's own home as the original Testament Church did.

1. True
2. True, tithe is everlasting, just not from Christian to Christian (person with access to holiest of all to person with access to holiest of all)
3. True before Christ, Now We Are The Temple/High Priesthood, The purpose can be found by reading this: Num 18:20 And the LORD spake unto Aaron, Thou shalt have no inheritance in their land, neither shalt thou have any part among them: I am thy part and thine inheritance among the children of Israel.
Num 18:21 And, behold, I have given the children of Levi all the tenth in Israel for an inheritance, for their service which they serve, even the service of the tabernacle of the congregation.

We see the eternal inheritance first, then we see the temporary inheritance. Now all who are Christian are called to full-time ministry (us on the altar/cross daily), because we are the High Priesthood with access to the Holiest of All. Tithe is still everlasting, but we are the high priesthood, and we tithe to nobody, cause we're not our own, and God is our inheritance.

4. Again, partly true but changed after Christ. Before Christ, what I call the secondary priesthood (without access to the holiest of all) did tithe to the high priesthood (Aaron and sons). The priesthood used to tithe to itself. Now we all have access to the holiest of all, and therefore there is no secondary priesthood, but only the eternal priesthood without beginning or ending.
Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

5. It seems you are not seeing the changes that took place (or you can consider it the revealing of the everlasting) when the original Eternal High Priest of the Everlasting Priesthood showed us The Way.

6. We are the temple.

7. We are all parts of the temple (lively stones/spiritual house)
1Pe 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

8. Really you should study the priesthood, cause you're one of em. You're not male or female, you're probably less than an hour old/83.3 years (faith of a child, cause we're babies), You don't have a family that is yours and not mine, we have the same Father, We are from heaven, WE are the Temple, Body of Christ, holy spirits by measure. We are made of Light. Tithe is something that is everlasting, and the world (with inheritance of this world) will always be required to tithe (give 10% when you're keeping 90%), but the priesthood does not require it by asking for it, or forcing it. So it will always be required, but we will also always be able to choose and have our reward/inheritance of our choosing (what we approve of/love/serve/etc).

1Jn 3:16 Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.
1Jn 3:17 But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?
1Jn 3:18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.


I love you all.

 

[Disdame45]

Well, I like those who get on TV claiming to be preaching the true gospel asking for love gifts at every break. I like how they say that if you sew your seeds of faith (through money to their ministry), you can be partners with them, reaching the entire world through your generous love gift. I also like how there is a promise that God is going to increase your gifts a hundred fold and make you prosperous and wealthy. I think it's great that they spend countless hours of air time, begging and pleading with tears to help them keep their ministry going. I also like hearing how these same people fly all over the world in private jets. I like how they have his and hers mansions in various places. I like how their dogs have their own $100,000 trailer homes they live in. I like how they get involved with various scandals due to their extravagant lifestyles. I also like how they consistently teach nothing but lies and falsehoods. I like how I'm being totally sarcastic when I say I like these practices.

The love of money is the root of all evil. Too many people are false prophets for profit only.

 

[loveme1]

Matthew 19

23Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven. 24And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. 25When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved? 26But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.

What do they make of this verse i wonder.

 

[Disdame45]

Matthew 19



What do they make of this verse i wonder.

I actually heard John Hagee explain this away by saying that the eye of the needle was a particular gate that camels went through about 2000 years ago. It really doesn't make sense, but any kind of way to justify themselves, they'll take it.

 

[BarlyGurl]

Well, have you any verses that says its wrong?

I can address this by principal...

The story of Jesus cleansing the temple... whipping the merchants..."MONEYCAHNGERS!!!!"

Do you understand??? today we have people in professional MINISTRY... who produce and market for consumer consumption materials which they claim are "ediyfying, secrets of, how to's" for building your life in Christ... which are available to you through a "LOVE GIFT" of "x" amount to support their ministry. This is nothing more than Capitalism masquerading as mission work... across the board. I am not saying none of these people love God, or that they are anti-christ... I am saying they have married worldly merchantialism to instruction & teaching... I fully expect they will be held to account for it.

 

[Trax]

Well, I can offer many examples of what we should do, if that's what you mean?

The question really is about charging for something helpful, which is what the everlasting priesthood is all about; helping and edifying spirits. Why would someone charge for something which is supposed to be edifying? I don't know, except that maybe they think they can't trust God with their life? We see a great example of what we should do, and if we're willing to agree with it, then maybe we have time to be established in it.


We all know that the example of the Everlasting High Priesthood (those with acess to the holiest of all/holy of holies) is something we need to try harder to show this world. The will of God be done in earth as it is in heaven, just as it is in the first Love and first works.

Jas 4:2-3 Ye lust, and have not: ye kill, and desire to have, and cannot obtain: ye fight and war, yet ye have not, because ye ask not. (3) Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may
consume it upon your lusts.

How often have you asked God for something? Deu 25:4 Thou shalt not muzzle the ox when he
treadeth out the corn.

 

[Jon4TheCross]

Jas 4:2-3 Ye lust, and have not: ye kill, and desire to have, and cannot obtain: ye fight and war, yet ye have not, because ye ask not. (3) Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may
consume it upon your lusts.

How often have you asked God for something? Deu 25:4 Thou shalt not muzzle the ox when he
treadeth out the corn.

I ask God for many things, but they are the will of God being done in earth as it is in heaven, and this includes all things common. The Everlasting Priesthood owns nothing of this world, we (not I, or them) are stewards of all that God gives us. I am just one vote, but when I cannot find others to vote with, then I am alone in this level of unity. I don't own my time, I don't own things, I don't own my family, etc. I am a part of the Kingdom of Heaven, and I'm from Heaven. I count all that this world has to offer as dung, that I might win Christ, and that I might suffer instead of someone else. If anyone of this Everlasting Priesthood knows of another suffering in this world more than you, then why would you not try to suffer instead of that person?

It's about real and genuine love, which does not need to ask for anything but the will of God being done on earth as it is in heaven. I know that if I'm truly doing what God wants me to do, then He will supply all of my need, and He knows what I need more than I do. Sometimes what I need is to suffer, and so many do not allow God to give them this opportunity.

I love you all.