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We need to speak up.
Because while the natural man/woman minds here prove the scripture true when they attempt to nullify what is written and insist, as the carnal narcissistic natural man/woman mind would do, they can overcome God's plan and understand the things of the spirit and choose to accept Jesus.
2 Peter 2:1But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction.
It's the fault of the natural man/woman. We were all born separated from God. Fallen,dead in our sins, unable to understand the things of God. We were sinners, in the domain of Satan first.
God's free gift of grace saved us. We didn't,don't, save ourselves. Which is why we cannot boast.
Whereas, as we read in these forums, the natural mind does!
Insisting the natural mind dead in sin unable to understand the things of God can understand. And choose to save themselves by choosing to believe in the Gospel Jesus said is only spiritually discerned.
Timothy 3 in the OP is another example of that wrong thinking.
We need to speak up.
Because while the natural man/woman minds here prove the scripture true when they attempt to nullify what is written and insist, as the carnal narcissistic natural man/woman mind would do, they can overcome God's plan and understand the things of the spirit and choose to accept Jesus.
2 Peter 2:1But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction.
It's the fault of the natural man/woman. We were all born separated from God. Fallen,dead in our sins, unable to understand the things of God. We were sinners, in the domain of Satan first.
God's free gift of grace saved us. We didn't,don't, save ourselves. Which is why we cannot boast.
Whereas, as we read in these forums, the natural mind does!
Insisting the natural mind dead in sin unable to understand the things of God can understand. And choose to save themselves by choosing to believe in the Gospel Jesus said is only spiritually discerned.
Timothy 3 in the OP is another example of that wrong thinking.
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No one can save themselves so that is simply a straw man. The only remaining issue is whether it is through the Gospel that sinners repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. So let me give you the Scripture passage which will clearly demonstrate that sinners must hear the Gospel and MUST RESPOND TO THE GOSPEL. No ifs, ands, or buts.
ROMANS 10: THE NECESSITY OF THE PREACHING OF THE GOSPEL
4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
5 For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.
6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above.)
7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)
8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
16 But they have not all obeyed the Gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God.
18 But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.
19 But I say, Did not Israel know? First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy by them that are no people, and by a foolish nation I will anger you.
20 But Esaias is very bold, and saith, I was found of them that sought me not; I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me.
21 But to Israel he saith, All day long I have stretched forth my hands unto a disobedient and gainsaying people.
Did this passage sink in? Kindly read it over and over until it become perfectly clear.
ROMANS 10: THE NECESSITY OF THE PREACHING OF THE GOSPEL
4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
5 For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.
6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above.)
7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)
8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
16 But they have not all obeyed the Gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God.
18 But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.
19 But I say, Did not Israel know? First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy by them that are no people, and by a foolish nation I will anger you.
20 But Esaias is very bold, and saith, I was found of them that sought me not; I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me.
21 But to Israel he saith, All day long I have stretched forth my hands unto a disobedient and gainsaying people.
Did this passage sink in? Kindly read it over and over until it become perfectly clear.
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Ridiculous post considering no one has stated anything about saving ourselves yet that is a typical answer from those who love to argue
This thread is not about salvation. If you disagree with what someone wrote, well we are free to do that. However your choice is to accuse and berate. That is boorish and immature
This thread is not about salvation. If you disagree with what someone wrote, well we are free to do that. However your choice is to accuse and berate. That is boorish and immature
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Waaay off topic. Would be great to not allow this person to deliberately derail the thread. thanks
I do not believe a single person ever in the history of this forum has said we can save ourselves or if they have, somewhere in some forgotten corner said such a thing, they were not a believer.
The poster knows this, so we should ask why she continues to derail and be accusatory.
I do not believe a single person ever in the history of this forum has said we can save ourselves or if they have, somewhere in some forgotten corner said such a thing, they were not a believer.
The poster knows this, so we should ask why she continues to derail and be accusatory.
I'd suggest that is not exactly true.
While the OP is a broad attack on people you choose to blanket with your opinion of their posting styles, it is actually about Salvation.
And I know I'll fall into the category you made for those you targeted in the OP and that's OK too. 😊
People who are in the light of Christ do not open an invitation asking people to join them in marginalizing others Exegesis because it does not comport with their own.
This will assist this discussion greatly:
Narcissism:
a grandiose sense of self-importance, a lack of empathy for others, a need for excessive admiration, and the belief that one is unique and deserving of special treatment.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/narcissism
Your OP invitation to wage attack on those you perceive deserve it is reiterated in your remarks there. And elsewhere in this thread that reflects upon your character.
You're wrong.
This thread is about Salvation.
I'll not be party to your sinful nature further. I would consider myself more blessed if you would add me to the names of my sister's and brothers currently on your ignore list. Thank you in advance.🙏💕✝️🕊️📖
While the OP is a broad attack on people you choose to blanket with your opinion of their posting styles, it is actually about Salvation.
And I know I'll fall into the category you made for those you targeted in the OP and that's OK too. 😊
People who are in the light of Christ do not open an invitation asking people to join them in marginalizing others Exegesis because it does not comport with their own.
This will assist this discussion greatly:
Narcissism:
a grandiose sense of self-importance, a lack of empathy for others, a need for excessive admiration, and the belief that one is unique and deserving of special treatment.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/narcissism
Your OP invitation to wage attack on those you perceive deserve it is reiterated in your remarks there. And elsewhere in this thread that reflects upon your character.
You're wrong.
This thread is about Salvation.
I'll not be party to your sinful nature further. I would consider myself more blessed if you would add me to the names of my sister's and brothers currently on your ignore list. Thank you in advance.🙏💕✝️🕊️📖
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This is the op again since it is obviously not about anyone in the forum. The discussion was meant to seek biblical answers on how to respond to certain difficult personality types. There have been several responses from people who have expressed experience with those who claim Christ yet act from a self-righteous and harmful attitude, including a pastor who was fired for exhibiting those traits.
I'm sorry some seem to think bad intentions were the reason I created the op. That is not true at all so I am not responding to those types of posts. If the thread dies out, that's fine too. I just thought someone might benefit from learning that overbearing behavior is not Christian but we can respond as a Christian; often it is best not to engage.
I guess this could be a topic for the Family Forum, but as scripture seems to actually deal with the topic, this might be the right place.
“1 But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: 2 For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal,
despisers of good, 4 traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, 5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away! 6 For of this sort are those who creep into households and make captives of gullible women loaded down with sins, led away by various lusts, 7 always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. 8 Now as Jan’nes and Jam’bres resisted Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, disapproved concerning the faith; 9 but they will progress no further, for their folly will be manifest to all, as theirs also was.” II Timothy 3: 1-9
Well that's a mouthful and I think it is overlooked in discussions here in the forum quite often. Ever had a discussion with a very disdainful person who scoffs at you and you dismisses what you say as though you were not worth the time? This same person will expect you to follow their every word and will give you what for if you do not keep up with them.
In person, we might refer to that individual as a narcissist but that behavior is also repeated here.
So I am thinking about what happens when you have a person who is a believer, yet they act just like that narcissist that nobody wants to be around?
Have you known people who always seem to 'hide behind God' with statements like...'well, I didn't say that. God said that so you are going 'against' God. Pretty hard to answer that one. Or is it? It seems evidence suggests that people’s opinion of what God thinks is right and wrong tracks what they believe is right and wrong, not the other way around.
I think it would be interesting to have a discussion on how to deal with things like that and what scripture says about it. Well I think that, but then I have a background in dealing with narcissists for some reason, so I find it interesting. This could also be a big flop but we'll see.
I'm sorry some seem to think bad intentions were the reason I created the op. That is not true at all so I am not responding to those types of posts. If the thread dies out, that's fine too. I just thought someone might benefit from learning that overbearing behavior is not Christian but we can respond as a Christian; often it is best not to engage.
I guess this could be a topic for the Family Forum, but as scripture seems to actually deal with the topic, this might be the right place.
“1 But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: 2 For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal,
despisers of good, 4 traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, 5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away! 6 For of this sort are those who creep into households and make captives of gullible women loaded down with sins, led away by various lusts, 7 always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. 8 Now as Jan’nes and Jam’bres resisted Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, disapproved concerning the faith; 9 but they will progress no further, for their folly will be manifest to all, as theirs also was.” II Timothy 3: 1-9
Well that's a mouthful and I think it is overlooked in discussions here in the forum quite often. Ever had a discussion with a very disdainful person who scoffs at you and you dismisses what you say as though you were not worth the time? This same person will expect you to follow their every word and will give you what for if you do not keep up with them.
In person, we might refer to that individual as a narcissist but that behavior is also repeated here.
So I am thinking about what happens when you have a person who is a believer, yet they act just like that narcissist that nobody wants to be around?
Have you known people who always seem to 'hide behind God' with statements like...'well, I didn't say that. God said that so you are going 'against' God. Pretty hard to answer that one. Or is it? It seems evidence suggests that people’s opinion of what God thinks is right and wrong tracks what they believe is right and wrong, not the other way around.
I think it would be interesting to have a discussion on how to deal with things like that and what scripture says about it. Well I think that, but then I have a background in dealing with narcissists for some reason, so I find it interesting. This could also be a big flop but we'll see.
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As a post script to their reply to Nehemiah, the passive aggressive author of the OP is conflict baiting with the OP itself. It is the example of being argumentative. And hate filled.
They boast having a lot of experience with narcissism. Yes, that's obvious too being indifferent to others opinions of their behavior.
May our prayers surround them. 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏😔
They boast having a lot of experience with narcissism. Yes, that's obvious too being indifferent to others opinions of their behavior.
May our prayers surround them. 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏😔
So people who recognize Jesus Christ’s divinity, believe and confess that He lived, died and resurrected, repent of their sins, get baptized, obey His commands and rejoice in God’s promise that they are saved by grace through faith in Jesus Christ are actually unsaved narcissists because they’re not Calvinists.? 🤣
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You can't reason when people get so angry they don't make sense. I've had many discussions with Calvinists and not all, but some get so angry and accusatory, you wonder they know a thing about God's forgiveness and grace.
Confusing the op with an attempt to talk about people is hard to wrap your head around, yet it can be done when someone has to blame others for how they feel.
Confusing the op with an attempt to talk about people is hard to wrap your head around, yet it can be done when someone has to blame others for how they feel.
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Posting this again as it probably got lost in the derailment. It might help some who have overbearing relatives or even a difficult marriage. It basically deals with how you can change your own behavior, which, was actually the idea behind this op despite the attempts to state otherwise. Again, we cannot change others, we can change ourselves and in fact scripture is very much all about how we are changed as we follow Christ.
There is a book by the name of 'Boundaries' which has been mentioned a number of times by a few people here and I have read that book myself years back.
I suggest it a good book to get for those who are having difficulties in relationships with people who are overbearing and basically suck the air out of the room.
Published by Zondervan and written with a Christian understanding of the realities of this world and how to deal in a Christ-like manner with impossible people.
There is a book by the name of 'Boundaries' which has been mentioned a number of times by a few people here and I have read that book myself years back.
I suggest it a good book to get for those who are having difficulties in relationships with people who are overbearing and basically suck the air out of the room.
Published by Zondervan and written with a Christian understanding of the realities of this world and how to deal in a Christ-like manner with impossible people.
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