Acts 10:9-15 (Un)clean food?

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Jesus4ever

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Yes, it is unhealthy to eat octopus or squid, as God created it as a scavenger. It is unhealthy to our body. Eating it is NOT a Salvation issue though.

I'll be glad when brethren in Christ begin recognize that eating away from God's clean list is actually unhealthy to our flesh bodies, instead of always thinking of it as a religious issue.

Eat all the unhealthy foods you want, your body won't be healthy. (And don't forget to pray over those Snickers bars!).

Will it keep you out of Heaven? No, just don't glutton (which is a NT sin).

Squid and octopus...scavengers?!
 
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Yes, it is unhealthy to eat octopus or squid, as God created it as a scavenger. It is unhealthy to our body. Eating it is NOT a Salvation issue though.

I'll be glad when brethren in Christ begin recognize that eating away from God's clean list is actually unhealthy to our flesh bodies, instead of always thinking of it as a religious issue.

Eat all the unhealthy foods you want, your body won't be healthy. (And don't forget to pray over those Snickers bars!).

Will it keep you out of Heaven? No, just don't glutton (which is a NT sin).

oh my...well guess who is not a marine biologist?

if you said DP, you would be correct! ok, now that I have the humor out of my system, let's get serious

let's begin with a dictionary definition of what a scavenger is:

scav·eng·er
ˈskavənjər/
noun


  • an animal that feeds on carrion, dead plant material, or refuse.


  • now, (I hope you are following, cause it's going to get bumpy right here) this, is what a squid eats:

    Their common foods to feed on include various types of small fish, crabs, and shrimp.

    that, would make the squid a NON-SCAVENGER...if they eat LIVE anything, they are not a scavenger

    you can read more onSQUID WORLD

    about the octopus...guess what? they also HUNT their own prey...oopsie...also NOT a scavenger

    vultures are scavengers...do not eat vultures


    so yeah, that's your marine biology lesson for today

    and here, we have the soup loving genre of the species...I like mushroom myself...soup that is...well mushrooms in general...with butter and garlic and salt and pepper

    there yah go









 
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Yeah, that's exactly how I interpreted your response to me in your previous post too, i.e., gibberish.

honestly.......just likes to make it sound like others are wrong

that is never a good way to have a conversation



I think I am going to give this thread the 'going nowhere fast' award

 
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MarcR

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I asked that because squid and octopus have no scales...! But even not having scales, are there any health problems by eating them? I confess I´ve never heart of it.

1 Tim 4:1-5
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
KJV


IMO, this is sufficiently clear and sufficiently inclusive to answer ALL food questions!!!!
 

MarcR

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I asked that because squid and octopus have no scales...! But even not having scales, are there any health problems by eating them? I confess I´ve never heart of it.

1 Tim 4:1-5
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
KJV


IMO, this is sufficiently clear and sufficiently inclusive to answer ALL food questions!!!!
 

MarcR

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1 Tim 4:1-5
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
KJV


IMO, this is sufficiently clear and sufficiently inclusive to answer ALL food questions!!!!

Leviticus 11 was not given as a health food clinic! It was given to separate Israel from its neighbors!
 

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Octopus are not only predators, but also scavengers:

The octopus, smart and handy

A quote from that site:

" octopus are not only predators but also scavengers with a keen sense of smell. That is why they are so easily caught in crayfish pots and lobster traps. Here a sand octopus is feasting on a dead conger eel, thrown overboard in a fishing harbour."
 
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People seem to have been bogged down with the idea that this verse is about rules of what kind of food you should or should not eat from the grocery store. However, verse 28 of the same chapter 10 in Acts lets us know that this scripture is not talking about animals as food. Rather, it tells us that the animals are pictures of people:

"And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean."

So we see that the scripture is addressing how the Gentiles are able to be saved. They are no longer common or unclean. The word 'unclean' means to be unsaved (unwashed from sin) so still dirty with the stain of sin, in the spiritual sense. The word 'clean' means to be saved (washed clean of the 'filthiness' of sin by the word of God). When the scripture talks about Peter rising and killing in the verse you quote, it is scripture speaking about Peter rising to new life in the inner man, spiritually. The phrase 'and kill' is talking about accepting the sacrifice of Jesus and eating of his body so to speak. Just like 'kill the fatted calf' or 'kill the lamb without blemish' is a picture of Christ's atoning substitutionary death.
 

DiscipleDave

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Originally Posted by DiscipleDave


Are you being serious right now? Pay attention to the verse and what it says.

Mat_15:2 Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread.

Mar_7:3 For the Pharisees, and all the Jews, except they wash their hands oft, eat not, holding the tradition of the elders.

Mar_7:4 And when they come from the market, except they wash, they eat not. And many other things there be, which they have received to hold, as the washing of cups, and pots, brasen vessels, and of tables.


All these verses are about EATING, they did not wash their hands before they ATE FOOD. Are you being serious? and do not understand that? You act as if it is ALL about washing of the hands, and had nothing to do with Food, as you have commented, yet it had everything to do with them EATING FOOD with unwashed hands. It was not about the washing, it was about the eating of the Food with unwashed hands. That is why Jesus plainly taught them, it is not what goes into the mouth, into the belly, into the toilet, that defiles a person. it was ALL about the FOOD.

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Lol, I didn't know bread was ever claims to be unclean.
Doesn't mention that once as far as what's clean and unclean to it.
Please reread what i have said above, i have never claimed that bread was not a meal, or that bread was unclean or clean. i was responding to a poster, who claimed that the verses i posted above had nothing to do with FOOD. That poster was stuck on the unclean hands part of the verses, and said they had nothing to do with FOOD, To that i responded with what i did above.

So again, your stating Jesus is talking about something off topic of what the Pharisees were having an issue with.
i know the Pharisees had an issue with eating ANY food with unwashed hands, what has that to do with my response to someone who said those verses have nothing to do with FOOD. please reread my response above to a poster who said those verses had nothing to do with FOOD.

I've studied the Pharisees, and their traditions and why Jesus taught against them and what not.
As have i also. The Pharisees were big on Do's and Don'ts, just like this generation of today is as well. Can DO that, Can't do this. Can eat that, Can't eat this, and the such. And even ignoring all the verses which plainly teach we can do all things in Christ.

Pharisees had legalized and made washing hands before everything a man made tradition.
True, they had many traditions, that were not found in Scriptures, they ADDED things. Just like this generation who ADD their own thoughts and beliefs, and teach others those beliefs.

Jesus was teaching against this man made tradation, hence Jesus states, "holding the tradition of the elders."
Eating bread was not a tradition of elders, it was simply eating a meal.
And who has said otherwise?

Where as the washing of hands was a tradition of the elders.
Again, who has said otherwise?

And again, it wouldn't make sense because Pharisees ate KOSHER or CLEAN.
So Jesus mentioning eating unclean foods wouldn't make sense, because there was no unclean food presented.
Only thing present that the Pharisees had issue with, was Jesus' disciples not washing their hands.
True, still does not change the Truth that those verses was about FOOD, eating FOOD with unclean hands, or eating FOOD with clean hands, they are still about FOOD. Which is what i was responding to the poster who said those verses were not about Food.

On top of that, for Jesus to fullfil all of the Torah, He would not be allowed to speak against it.
It states in Torah to not add, or take away.
So for Jesus to fullfil this, Jesus could not add or take away.
So again, it wouldn't make sense for Jesus to comment on food.
Oh, i see, you are the poster that said those verses are not about FOOD, So when Jesus talked about eating Bread, it was NOT about Food. When Jesus spoke of EATING, it was not about EATING. So when Jesus said it is not what goes into the Mouth, He was NOT talking about what goes into the mouth such a FOOD? You do error. Jesus most assuredly was talking about Food. i know what the Pharisees had an issue with, it was the eating of FOOD with unwashed hands, which was a tradition of theirs to do before they ATE FOOD. Do you not understand the WHOLE issue was about what was considered unclean. Do a study on why the Pharisees had a tradition to wash hands before they ate. They did that because they claimed if you did not, it made the food unclean, because of the unclean hands touching the Food. That is why Jesus got on them because they were making up traditions, based on what they believed, and not what the Scriptures taught. The whole reason Jesus responded about EATING of the food with unwashed hands was to show them that it is NOT what a person eats that makes them unclean (defiled) regardless if they wash their hands or not.
Or is that merely an attempt to explain away the verses which teach that it is OK to eat All things?

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1Tim 4:4 For every creature of God is good and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving.
Vs.5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
Break out the buffet!
Only if this generation would believe the Word of God. NO, not this generation, they would much rather believe what they THINK is Truth, and change the Scriptures to fit that belief. Verses that does not line up with what they THINK is True, they have to interpret them away, make void, or ignore them altogether.

If what you believe, contradicts even one verse in Scriptures then what you believe is WRONG. Change your belief to match the Scriptures, DO NOT change the Scriptures to match your belief.

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Originally Posted by Yet


1Tim 4:4 For every creature of God is good and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving.
Vs.5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
Break out the buffet!


Back up to the verses you skipped, which defines which... meats, i.e, meats God created to be received with thanksgiving. Which meats were those?
Tell me, is every creature of God good to eat, or do you teach something contrary to Scriptures?

1Ti_4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:

So should i believe this Inspired by God Scriptures or believe you that teach that not every creature is good to eat? hhhhmmmmm Believe the Bible or you. i choose the Bible. i believe the Scriptures that plainly teaches that EVERY creature of God is Good, and nothing to be refused, i believe that because the Word of God teaches that. What you believe is contradicts this inspired by God verse. So instead of changing your belief to match Scriptures, you must change this verse to match your belief, is that not right? Woe to this generation indeed.

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Yes, it is unhealthy to eat octopus or squid, as God created it as a scavenger. It is unhealthy to our body. Eating it is NOT a Salvation issue though.
Chickens must be bad to eat too then, they scaveng their own poop, will eat anything off the ground. Chickens bad too then? i thank God that i do not WORRY about what to eat, or what not to eat.

Mat_6:31 Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed?

Therefore i take no thought about what to eat, or what not to eat. When it is my time to die, i will die. And when i die, Heaven is my destination. Therefore i do not fear death, i know where i am going, and it is far better than this life i live now. So i do not WORRY about what food is clean, or unclean. What food is good for me, or bad for me. Anything that goes into my mouth, i bless it, and Thank God for it, even if it is a Big Mac, or McDonald fries, or a peanut butter shake. i bless and thank God for the mountain dew that i drink, even though the world says it is unhealthy and bad for me. i can eat or drink all things, i have a peace about that that surpasses all understanding.

He that tries to save his/her life, will lose it. Instead of being concerned about what you are eating and drinking, it would be far better for you to be concerned with the sin that is in your life. What you eat or drink will not prevent someone from going to Heaven, but the sin that is in your life, that will prevent you. Be more concerned with the sin in your life, then what you eat or drink.

I'll be glad when brethren in Christ begin recognize that eating away from God's clean list is actually unhealthy to our flesh bodies, instead of always thinking of it as a religious issue.
Know you not that the flesh and the spirit are at enmity with each other. Is it not better to be more concerned with Spiritual Health, than to be concerned with physical health? This flesh that we are in now, is temporary, it will cease to be, and return to dust. All this concern for the physical flesh. i am not saying that you should eat unhealthy, only saying that is not important to the big picture. Store up treasures in Heaven that is everlasting, be concerned with LOVING ONE ANOTHER, moreso than what you are eating. What a person eats is so trivial compared to everlasting life. Strive for those things that are everlasting, not those things that are temporary. The flesh is temporary.
If i die next week because of the food that ate in the past, i assure you it will be my time to die, whether it is by the foods that i ate or a car accident, if it is my time to die, i will die. i could eat Healthy as can be, and still die next week, or even die of a disease, or cancer. Do you not understand it is not what you eat that defiles you. If it is your time to die, you are going to die, REGARDLESS if you are eating right, wrong, good, bad, dietary laws, or no dietary laws. When it is your Time, it is your Time. So then do not worry about what you shall eat, or drink, or wear, that is trivial. Be concerned with your walk with Christ, not what you eat or don't eat.

Eat all the unhealthy foods you want, your body won't be healthy. (And don't forget to pray over those Snickers bars!).
There are people who eat very unhealthy food, and never get sick (i am one of those, praise God for that blessing), and i know people who eat extremely healthy foods and seem to be always sick. Again, it does not matter what goes into the mouth that defiles a person, hearken to the Scriptures.

Gal_6:8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

Notice NOTHING about corruption in the flesh because of what you eat.

1Co 11:28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.
1Co 11:29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.
1Co 11:30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.


Notice, NOTHING about getting sick because of eating unhealthy foods.

Am i therefore condoning eating food that which you know is unhealthy? No, not at all. If the Holy Ghost is convicting you NOT TO EAT something then you should obey the Holy Ghost, if you do not, to YOU it is sinful.

The problem is, and always has been, those who teach others that eating this or that is sinful? This should not be done. For what may be sinful to one person, may not be sinful for another. The Holy Spirit in us, convicts us what is sinful and what is not sinful. The Holy Spirit may convict one that eating pork is sinful, but does not convict another person that eating pork is sinful. If you think it is sinful to eat pork, then for you to eat pork it IS SINFUL. But it is not sinful for others who are not convicted by the Holy Ghost that eating pork is sinful. STOP teaching others what the Holy Ghost convicts YOU of.
Let those who do not eat pork, not judge those who do. And let those who do eat pork, not judge those who don't eat pork. LOVE ONE ANOTHER, Do not JUDGE them. If the Holy Spirit of God convicts someone to not eat pizza, who are you to say otherwise? But let not the one who is convicted to not eat pizza, tell others they can't eat pizza.

i have a piece of unclean food (determined by Leviticus law) in front of me. i pray and Bless that food, and thank Jesus that He has provided me with that food, Who are you to say, that Jesus DID NOT Bless that food, and make it clean? my Faith is such that i can eat all things, and it will not harm me. Because of that Faith, it is manifested. But if you eat with doubt, it is the lack of Faith, that health problems will manifest themselves. If then you doubt you should be eating something, then for YOU, you should not eat it, Because anything done in doubt is not done in Faith.

We Christians are under the law of Liberty, Eat what you want to eat, UNLESS the Holy Spirit convicts you, then YOU and YOU only are not to eat of that.

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Hello.
Good thread.
Can see the ideas of old > new testament. Jew - gentile.

There seems to be a lot of info from a few verses ???

Can it get dumbed down a bit to what is actually said ?

An extra terrestrial was flying in his space ship with a bunch of animals and insects. He saw Peter. Came down. Maybe didn't even land but hovered. And told Peter to get something to eat ??

Good thread.
 
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Hi All,

I do not eat pork, beef, shrimp, catfish, chicken and I will stop eating turkey. My only option is wild fish that are not bottom feeders. Healthy clean temple is important and stay away from process food that is killing masses of people.
 

DiscipleDave

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Octopus are not only predators, but also scavengers:

The octopus, smart and handy

A quote from that site:

" octopus are not only predators but also scavengers with a keen sense of smell. That is why they are so easily caught in crayfish pots and lobster traps. Here a sand octopus is feasting on a dead conger eel, thrown overboard in a fishing harbour."
i eat dead things all the time, am i a scavenger too?

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DiscipleDave

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People seem to have been bogged down with the idea that this verse is about rules of what kind of food you should or should not eat from the grocery store. However, verse 28 of the same chapter 10 in Acts lets us know that this scripture is not talking about animals as food. Rather, it tells us that the animals are pictures of people:
What people do not understand that teach you can eat this or that, but you can't eat this or that, fail to understand the statement:

Act 10:15 And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.

So then if i have something unclean before me, and i pray to God to Bless it, and thank Him for the Food, who are you to say it is still UNCLEAN? If God has cleansed something, it is clean.

1Ti_4:4 For EVERY creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:

This is when it is Cleansed by God. To call something unclean that God has cleansed is not of God but of antichrist. It is True the vision was to show Peter to not call UNCLEAN MEN Gentiles, UNCLEAN. But also that does not negate the TRUTH of what God told Peter in that vision, that What God has cleansed, is CLEAN. So then who are you to tell others what is clean and what is unclean, if it is God that can clean that which is unclean?

"And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean."

So we see that the scripture is addressing how the Gentiles are able to be saved. They are no longer common or unclean. The word 'unclean' means to be unsaved (unwashed from sin) so still dirty with the stain of sin, in the spiritual sense. The word 'clean' means to be saved (washed clean of the 'filthiness' of sin by the word of God). When the scripture talks about Peter rising and killing in the verse you quote, it is scripture speaking about Peter rising to new life in the inner man, spiritually. The phrase 'and kill' is talking about accepting the sacrifice of Jesus and eating of his body so to speak. Just like 'kill the fatted calf' or 'kill the lamb without blemish' is a picture of Christ's atoning substitutionary death.
This does not change the Truth, that ANYTHING (men, animals, plants, etc... .. ) That God has cleansed is CLEAN. A person under the old covenant was considered unclean if they sat on the bed of a menstruating woman. Priests were carried over the ground to cleanse homes because if they touched the ground outside of the temple, they themselves would become unclean. Clean and unclean were just laws made, but people today view clean and unclean as Health issues, which they were not about that, but about making laws. A priest who was clean, would become unclean when they cleansed a home. It was also considered unclean to even touch any part of a carcuss, even the fur, or a bone that has been left out for hundred years. Does that mean if i touch fur i will catch some kind of disease? No, Does that mean if a touch a tool that was made out of bone, that i am going to get sick? No. they were laws made to separate the Israelites from other nations around them.

The vision of unclean animals has nothing to do with SAVED animals or unsaved animals. They were considered unclean because the law made them unclean, The statement God made to Peter is what is important in that vision, What God has cleansed, do not call unclean. So then if God cleansed the animals and told peter to EAT them, He can ALSO cleanse people as well. God showed peter, what God cleanses is CLEAN, whether that be people or animals?

God could have just as easily showed Peter a vision of other races of people, and told him to eat with them, which is something the Israelites could not do because it was UNCLEAN, and made the exact same point. But God chose to use animals there were considered unclean to make His point to Peter, and what Point was He making to Peter, that which God has cleansed do not call common. And because God chose animals and not other races of people to make that same point, animals are indeed included.

Why on Earth would God, even making a point, tell an Apostle to commit sin by eating that which is unclean? To eat something unclean was considered to be a sin. Why would God (using a vision) instruct Peter to commit sin? God would NEVER instruct someone to commit sin. EVER!!!! He did not instruct Peter to eat animals that were unclean because that would be sin, But why did God instruct Peter to eat unclean animals, because God had cleansed them, and told Peter that He has cleansed them. So they were NOT unclean, because God cleansed them. Believe the Word of God, not what people from this generation teaches.

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DiscipleDave

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Hi All,

I do not eat pork, beef, shrimp, catfish, chicken and I will stop eating turkey. My only option is wild fish that are not bottom feeders. Healthy clean temple is important and stay away from process food that is killing masses of people.
i eat pork, beef, catfish, fish, chicken, and turkey, and my temple is Clean. Do you not understand that it is not what goes into the body the defiles a person, but that which comes out? SIN in a person is what defiles a person, hate, jealousy, envy, strife, anger, unforgiveness, living in SIN. These are things that pollute the temple, which you are. What you eat or don't eat does not pollute the temple, or make your temple unclean. You do error if you that is what you think.

Know you not that the Spirit and the flesh are enmity with each other.

Joh_3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Joh_6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth NOTHING: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
Rom_8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Rom_8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Rom_8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
Rom_8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify
(KILL) the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

The flesh is weak, pathetic, filthy rags. The flesh is NOT YOU. What is inside of you is what makes you YOU. Sin defiles the temple, NOT what you eat or don't eat. But if the Holy Spirit of God (NOT PEOPLE) tells you to not eat all that, then for you to do so it is indeed sinful. Now people try to tell me all the time not to eat this or not to eat that, but the Holy Ghost is to whom i obey, and the Holy Spirit of Truth has not once told me, that i needed to worry about what i eat or don't eat.

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DP

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i eat dead things all the time, am i a scavenger too?

^i^ responding to post # 148
I see your 47 years old now, wait until a little later in life.

Find me 10 M.D.'s that say it's OK to eat anything we want and I'll show you ten quacks that shouldn't be practicing medicine.
 
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In romans 14 Paul refers to this subject as a disputable matter. Therefore you are free to eat pork or not to eat it. Though Paul twice states in the chapter all food is clean, in my view do what you are comfortable with. We are all different, just because you can eat it doesn't mean for you, you should. Go by your conscience.
God bless
 
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