Acts 13: 48 does not support Calvinism

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ForestGreenCook

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So people that not accept the Christ may bear the fruit?

Then why Jesus say without me you can not bear fruit?
Cornelius had already been regenerated and given a new heart. In regeneration we are put in Christ and Christ in us,(Eph 2:5). Cornelius was praying to God and was a devout man. He was bearing fruit and abiding in Christ before the apostle even told him about Christ
 

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So you believe when the branch cut of do not mean burn in hell' am I correct?

This what Jesus say

John 15

6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.


What is cast them into the fire mean in this verse
No John 15 does not mention hell. When we yield our bodies to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season We endure God's chastening wrath (fire). We do not lose our eternal salvation, but we do lose our fellowship with God when we are not abiding in Christ. When we repent and God forgives us, we are back in good fellowship with God and are again abiding in Christ.
 

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No John 15 does not mention hell. When we yield our bodies to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season We endure God's chastening wrath (fire). We do not lose our eternal salvation, but we do lose our fellowship with God when we are not abiding in Christ. When we repent and God forgives us, we are back in good fellowship with God and are again abiding in Christ.
So you believe fire in verse 6 do not mean hell, but lose fellowship with God?

I believe if you lose fellowship with God than you not His child mean go to hell.

This is my believe.

Jesus say if branch not abide to the vine, will not:

1 bear fruit

2. Cut off and cast to the fire. And this verse say: and they are burn.

Chastening end up with pure not burn.

In the Bible fire as judgement mean hell, because hell is lake of fire

On fire in spirit mean exited to follow Him. Chastening is purification..
 

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God planted more than two trees, every tree that is pleasant to the sight, but I think you have reference to the tree of life and the tree of good and evil. Do you have a point you want to make about those two trees?
Yep God gave adam and eve choices. They could eat from the tree of life God gave and live eternally or eat from the forbidden one and die. The ability to make these choices is free will. God showed them what was right and wrong, and they could choose.
 

Lanolin

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Sorry forest green I thought with a name like yours you would totally get what the trees mean.
 

ForestGreenCook

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So you believe fire in verse 6 do not mean hell, but lose fellowship with God?

I believe if you lose fellowship with God than you not His child mean go to hell.

This is my believe.

Jesus say if branch not abide to the vine, will not:

1 bear fruit

2. Cut off and cast to the fire. And this verse say: and they are burn.

Chastening end up with pure not burn.

In the Bible fire as judgement mean hell, because hell is lake of fire

On fire in spirit mean exited to follow Him. Chastening is purification..
Hebrews 12:11 - Now no chastening for the present seemeth joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised (trained) thereby. Our fathers corrected (trained) us when we were little, but were still his child when we were being trained by him. 1 Cor 3:13-14-15- Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward (be delivered, saved, not eternally, but here in time) If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss; but he himself shall be saved (delivered here in time, not eternally, because he has already been delivered eternally.); yet so as by fire. Someone has taught you the scriptures falsely, but with good intentions, however what they have taught you can lead you to believe in eternal salvation by the works of man, and that is a false doctrine and not the doctrine that Jesus taught. Most of God's children can not see that there are two different kinds of salvation's taught in the scriptures, one being an eternal deliverance and one being a deliverance we receive here in time. When you do not understand to separate the salvation (deliverance) scriptures, the scriptures will "seem" to you to teach "eternal salvation by your good works".
 

ForestGreenCook

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Yep God gave adam and eve choices. They could eat from the tree of life God gave and live eternally or eat from the forbidden one and die. The ability to make these choices is free will. God showed them what was right and wrong, and they could choose.
I am not disputing that God gave man a free will to choose right or wrong about things pertaining to their lives as the live here in this world, however, man's eternal salvation is made by the grace of God and not made by man.
 
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Yep God gave adam and eve choices. They could eat from the tree of life God gave and live eternally or eat from the forbidden one and die. The ability to make these choices is free will. God showed them what was right and wrong, and they could choose.
Mankind was created to do the good pleasure of the will of the Creator. The Creator is of one mind and always does whatsoever his soul pleases. He performs that which is appointed to us.(Job 23) as he works in the believer to both will and perform His good pleasure (Phil 2:12)

I don't think when it comes to creating new creatures God give choices. God forms Christ in us all the days of our lives. That kind of idea that salvation is a free will choice is a oral tradition of men...……. rather he gives commandments .Let there be and there is born again .

God showed them what was right and wrong, and they choose to do the will of a lying creature, seen We are to have no gods before our living God and that includes us as sons of God that follow after the free will of Spirit of God. And not a free will as some considered free will.

Free will to a new creature is to do the will of the Potter. Its the kind of spiritual food that strengthens us so that we can do the will of another that the disciples knew not of.. Christ finished the work demonstrating free will to a believer.
 

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Hebrews 12:11 - Now no chastening for the present seemeth joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised (trained) thereby. Our fathers corrected (trained) us when we were little, but were still his child when we were being trained by him. 1 Cor 3:13-14-15- Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward (be delivered, saved, not eternally, but here in time) If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss; but he himself shall be saved (delivered here in time, not eternally, because he has already been delivered eternally.); yet so as by fire. Someone has taught you the scriptures falsely, but with good intentions, however what they have taught you can lead you to believe in eternal salvation by the works of man, and that is a false doctrine and not the doctrine that Jesus taught. Most of God's children can not see that there are two different kinds of salvation's taught in the scriptures, one being an eternal deliverance and one being a deliverance we receive here in time. When you do not understand to separate the salvation (deliverance) scriptures, the scriptures will "seem" to you to teach "eternal salvation by your good works".
Branch in john is people not work.

Corinthians say every man work so different topic.

Branch in john talking about human being cut off and burn

Corinthians about what man do

I make a car than people test my car if my car can not run 60 miles/ hour it will be burn.

The car will be burn, not me

John

If I am not bear fruit, I will be cut off and burn

Me not my fruit
 

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...... God showed them what was right and wrong, and they choose to do the will of a lying creature, seen We are to have no gods before our living God and that includes us as sons of God that follow after the free will of Spirit of God. And not a free will as some considered free will.

Free will to a new creature is to do the will of the Potter. Its the kind of spiritual food that strengthens us so that we can do the will of another that the disciples knew not of.. Christ finished the work demonstrating free will to a believer.
"We are to have no gods before our living God." Proof of free will.
 
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"We are to have no gods before our living God." Proof of free will.
Proof of whose free will work? That of eternal God not seen, or those of temporal men seen?

Whose commandment is to be obeyed as doing the will of? "We are to have no gods before our living God." Can we have it as wisdom of "will worship" after a commandment of man rather than what it is. A commandment of God not seen?


Colossians 2:22-23 King James Version (KJV) Which all are to perish with the using;) after the commandments and doctrines of men?
Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body: not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh.
 

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......Colossians 2:22-23 King James Version (KJV) Which all are to perish with the using;) after the commandments and doctrines of men?
Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body: not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh.
People who follow the teaching of Calvin are following after the commandments and doctrines of men.

The fact that the Israelites, to give an example, followed multiple false gods and worshipped idols, proves that God has given us free will to worship who or what we like.
 
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People who follow the teaching of Calvin are following after the commandments and doctrines of men.

The fact that the Israelites, to give an example, followed multiple false gods and worshipped idols, proves that God has given us free will to worship who or what we like.
Calvin is dead and we do not know Christ after the private interpretations of men as personal commentaries. We all have one like fingerprints .

The new faith freely given to us comes from hearing God...... not hearing men lest any man boast in false pride. He gives us His understanding our free will. .

He gives us his will needed to worship Him. Not to worship who or what we like (ye shall surely not die)
 

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..... He gives us his will needed to worship Him. Not to worship who or what we like (ye shall surely not die)
If God gives us His will to worship Him, why do people worship false gods like allah and buddah? It sounds to me like people worship who or what they want whether it is money, their car or a thousand and one other things.
 
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People who follow the teaching of Calvin are following after the commandments and doctrines of men.

The fact that the Israelites, to give an example, followed multiple false gods and worshipped idols, proves that God has given us free will to worship who or what we like.



A free will to receive the curse of the law.? What does a Israelite have to do with the law . Is doing their will free will?
 

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A free will to receive the curse of the law.? What does a Israelite have to do with the law . Is doing their will free will?
Yes. You have the free will to receive the curse of the law.

But because of your stubborn and unrepentant heart you are reserving wrath for yourself on the day of wrath, when God's righteous judgment will be revealed. For he will repay everyone according to what that person has done: eternal life to those who strive for glory, honor, and immortality by patiently doing good; but wrath and fury for those who in their selfish pride refuse to believe the truth and practice wickedness instead. (Rom 2:5-8 ISV)
 

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John 15 is paralel with matt 25:30

30 And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

The servant being cast into darkness,

It is hell
The 3 criteria of hell mention here

1 darkness
2 weeping
3 gnashing of teeth

So this man go to hell

John 15 say the branch go to fire, branch also a man