ACTS, CHAPTER 8

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homwardbound

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Here is the reason there was a laying on of hands in this case. Those days are long gone. Peter already told us about how the gift of the Holy Spirit is given, and it has nothing to do with the laying on of hands. Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. (Acts 2:38). All those who truly repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Something which seems to escape some is that since there are no genuine apostles today, who could possibly do what the apostles did in the book of Acts?
Believe, receive and see. If one will continue, Col. 1:21-23. Many have not, having unrealistic expectations, in not willing to wait, no matter how long it might take. Who will go the distance? Willingly as our Lord did, all the way to death without any flesh fight?
 

Pilgrimshope

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Believe, receive and see. If one will continue, Col. 1:21-23. Many have not, having unrealistic expectations, in not willing to wait, no matter how long it might take. Who will go the distance? Willingly as our Lord did, all the way to death without any flesh fight?
Believe what ?

“Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
‭‭John‬ ‭8:31-32‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:22, 24‬ ‭

“For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him. The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand. He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life:

and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.”
‭‭John‬ ‭3:34-36‬ ‭

God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things. Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he.”
‭‭John‬ ‭4:24-26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.”
‭‭John‬ ‭18:37‬ ‭

He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.”
‭‭John‬ ‭14:21, 23-24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:”
‭‭2 John‬ ‭1:9-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬
 

homwardbound

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Make the choice, stick to that choice, and see it as true, after going through troubles, trying to stop you. Will we? I trust God to be able if it be God allowing it for a perfect reason, we the people do not see. That is where trust is real, at least for me,
 

rrcn

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Too much in your comment for me to worry discussing. Water baptism plays ZERO role in a persons salvation, other than as a witness to that person becoming a believer in and follower of Jesus. The One Baptism spoken of in Scripture is the baptism given by the Holy Spirit through the blood of Jesus. Not water.

Teaching water baptism necessary for salvation is flawed teaching and will lead many a person astray IMO. It just is not Truth.
The Bible, our guide in spiritual matters, ties water baptism in as a prerequisite to receiving the gift of the Holy Spirit.
[Act 2:38 KJV] 38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

It is of spititual significance because the Bible says it is, as the risen Saviour stated:
[Mar 16:15-16 KJV] 15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. 16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

[Gal 3:26-27 KJV] 26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
[Rom 6:3-6 KJV] 3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? 4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. 5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also [in the likeness] of [his] resurrection: 6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with [him], that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

The gospel ordinance symbolizes the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus. It is necessary to note that the Bible uses the word, buried with him by baptism, that is a description of immersion which can be verified by other accounts. It does not say poured with him or sprinkled with him but buried (under the water).
As water baptism is identified as a prerequisite to receiving the Holy Spirit, what spirit leads those who have not followed this Christian requirement?
 

Nehemiah6

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The gospel ordinance symbolizes the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus [and our total identification with Him]. It is necessary to note that the Bible uses the word, buried with him by baptism, that is a description of immersion which can be verified by other accounts.
I have added those words in brackets. Yes we are symbolically buried with Christ in water, and raised again to "walk in newness of life".

But the quotations from Acts 2:38 and Mark 16:16 should not be misunderstood. They need to be properly understood in the light of Gospel truth. BELIEVE ON THE LORD JESUS CHRIST AND THOU SHALT BE SAVED. There is no inclusion of baptism in the matter of salvation.

At the same time, because it is a commandment of Christ, and must follow immediately upon conversion, we read this: And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, straightway. (Acts 16:33) As you go through the book of Acts you see this happening all the time. But churches today have generally departed from this practice.
 

Wansvic

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I have added those words in brackets. Yes we are symbolically buried with Christ in water, and raised again to "walk in newness of life".

But the quotations from Acts 2:38 and Mark 16:16 should not be misunderstood. They need to be properly understood in the light of Gospel truth. BELIEVE ON THE LORD JESUS CHRIST AND THOU SHALT BE SAVED. There is no inclusion of baptism in the matter of salvation.

At the same time, because it is a commandment of Christ, and must follow immediately upon conversion, we read this: And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, straightway. (Acts 16:33) As you go through the book of Acts you see this happening all the time. But churches today have generally departed from this practice.
Those gathered at Pentecost already believed in Jesus yet were told to repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for remission of sin... And it was Jesus who said unless you repent you will die in your sins, (Luke 13:3, 5) as well as, those who believe and are baptized shall be saved. (Mark 16:15-16)
 

Wansvic

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I have added those words in brackets. Yes we are symbolically buried with Christ in water, and raised again to "walk in newness of life".

But the quotations from Acts 2:38 and Mark 16:16 should not be misunderstood. They need to be properly understood in the light of Gospel truth. BELIEVE ON THE LORD JESUS CHRIST AND THOU SHALT BE SAVED. There is no inclusion of baptism in the matter of salvation.

At the same time, because it is a commandment of Christ, and must follow immediately upon conversion, we read this: And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, straightway. (Acts 16:33) As you go through the book of Acts you see this happening all the time. But churches today have generally departed from this practice.
It was Jesus who said unless you repent you will die in your sins. (Luke 13:3, 5) Clearly people are not automatically saved upon initial belief in Jesus as revealed by those gathered at Pentecost. They believed in Jesus, yet were told to repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for remission of sin... (Mark 16:15-16)
 
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It was Jesus who said unless you repent you will die in your sins. (Luke 13:3, 5) Clearly people are not automatically saved upon initial belief in Jesus as revealed by those gathered at Pentecost. They believed in Jesus, yet were told to repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for remission of sin... (Mark 16:15-16)
‘is not repent, metanoia in Greek? A change of mind from unbelief to belief in the risen Jesus? And will not God lead us each personally to do as God desires us to do? Which God only has the best for each of us, correct? Romans 14
if I lead anyone to water, if that person does not decide to wiilingly be water Baptize, then there is no real baptism is there.
only the working of a fake to get others to think they believe. Baptism is a personal belief, between Godand that person. And God knows who is who, man does not, yet acts well.
thank you
 

Wansvic

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‘is not repent, metanoia in Greek? A change of mind from unbelief to belief in the risen Jesus? ...
The point is the people already believed in Jesus. Afterward they were told to repent and be baptized for remission of sin and receive the Holy Ghost. This proves they were not born again the moment they believed in Jesus. He said unless people repent they will perish.
 
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The point is the people already believed in Jesus. Afterward they were told to repent and be baptized for remission of sin and receive the Holy Ghost. This proves they were not born again the moment they believed in Jesus. He said unless people repent they will perish.
To believe God in risen Son is Metanoia, (repent) then God begins the new work in that person, that tells God I believe you God.
do you think God will not lead them to Baptism, water and Spirit, and whatever each needs to know. To agree with God, keeping free choice in place?
romans 14:1-4 tells me God will. So much deeper than just about food.