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can someone else help me here
no no if the one hand that causing you to offend/sin/ than you will go to hell with that part, but that part was not cut off, so yaeh it will got to hell with you , for it was never cut off
Iam not sure which transaltion you are using, and it could be that you are paraphasing that verse But that is not saying that body parts will be thrown into hell here are several different translations, I think you are reading it wrong.
Mark 9:43 (New International Version)
43If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life maimed than with two hands to go into hell, where the fire never goes out.
here the two hands are attached to you as you go into hell.
Mark 9:43 (King James Version)
43And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
again the two hands are attached to you as you go into hell
Mark 9:43 (New American Standard Bible)
43"(A)If your hand causes you to stumble, cut it off; it is better for you to enter life crippled, than, having your two hands, to go into (B)hell, into the (C)unquenchable fire,
here it is better to have no hands, that to have two hands as you go into hell.
Mark 9:43 (New Living Translation)
43 If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It’s better to enter eternal life with only one hand than to go into the unquenchable fires of hell[a] with two hands.[b]
Footnotes:
its a little clearer here see with two hands you go with the hands into hell
no no if the one hand that causing you to offend/sin/ than you will go to hell with that part, but that part was not cut off, so yaeh it will got to hell with you , for it was never cut off
Iam not sure which transaltion you are using, and it could be that you are paraphasing that verse But that is not saying that body parts will be thrown into hell here are several different translations, I think you are reading it wrong.
Mark 9:43 (New International Version)
43If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life maimed than with two hands to go into hell, where the fire never goes out.
here the two hands are attached to you as you go into hell.
Mark 9:43 (King James Version)
43And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
again the two hands are attached to you as you go into hell
Mark 9:43 (New American Standard Bible)
43"(A)If your hand causes you to stumble, cut it off; it is better for you to enter life crippled, than, having your two hands, to go into (B)hell, into the (C)unquenchable fire,
here it is better to have no hands, that to have two hands as you go into hell.
Mark 9:43 (New Living Translation)
43 If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It’s better to enter eternal life with only one hand than to go into the unquenchable fires of hell[a] with two hands.[b]
Footnotes:
- Mark 9:43 Greek Gehenna; also in 9:45, 47.
- Mark 9:43 Some manuscripts add verse 44, ‘where the maggots never die and the fire never goes out.’ See 9:48.
its a little clearer here see with two hands you go with the hands into hell
yes yes that is exactly what i've been saying, that both hands are cast into hell (with/attached to the whole person of course) therefore it is bodies which are thrown into hell, not just souls. Catholis believe that you go to purgatory in your soul state and then you get to heaven. I don't think the bible teaches that at all. There is no such thing as purgatory.
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I have 2 uncles who contradict each other in their beliefs on this. Both have given me scripture to support their beliefs so I understand where they are both coming from, I happen to agree with one. Like I said, I believe we are present with the Lord but even if I'm wrong & my interpretation of the scripture is flawed... it has no bearing on me in death. I receive the Grace of our Lord so I know I will be with him, I dont much get into the whole cutting and pasting scripture to support my belief or to show you the scriptures given by my uncle who supports soul sleep... I think thats done alot in here and see the fruit of it: its very time consuming and I've not seen the process of cutting & pasting lead the two parties to amicable resolution... on the contrary. Plus i'm just not good at it!!!
So, my final question, how do you know that what YOU believe about the salvation of your soul isn’t someone’s “cut and paste” private interpretation of Scripture? There are a whole lot of folks out there - actually it is a group that represents that largest segment of professing Christianity - who don’t believe anyone can be certain that they will to heaven. So what is your authority for you believing you will? And how do you KNOW it is right? Or is it just a FEELING?
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In what? Based upon what? What is your AUTHORITY for this "childlike faith"? Genuine faith is based on SUBSTANCE and EVIDENCE. It is substantial and provable. At least according to Hebrews 11:1. (I know that's the Bible - there I go again using it as my authority - whatta ya gonna do? Some of us Bible believers are just hopeless for believing what God said - I know some folks are bothered by that and just wish we would trust our FEELINGS like so many others.) But, once again, Scripture commands God's people to be ready to give an answer for the hope that lieth within us. But then, who takes God's commands seriously these days? Thank God there is still a REMNANT that does!
In conclusion, I want you to know that by now I realize we aren't going to have an intelligent dialogue about this and I'm not asking these questions with the anticipation that you'll give any serious thought to the answers. I'm really asking these questions as food for thought for others who may read this thread, who may very well understand the importance of BIBLICAL TRUTH.
Have a great day.
In conclusion, I want you to know that by now I realize we aren't going to have an intelligent dialogue about this and I'm not asking these questions with the anticipation that you'll give any serious thought to the answers. I'm really asking these questions as food for thought for others who may read this thread, who may very well understand the importance of BIBLICAL TRUTH.
Have a great day.
Im sorry that you assume that because I have Faith in my lord and savior Christ Jesus that I dont strive to please God and honour God. You have no basis for these assumptions and I dont deserve your implication that I dont read what you post and reflect on it. We are all of varying intelligence on here and perhaps I am just not where you require me to be as far as articulation of my faith and my belief in God and my passion to seek the truth. I suppose Childlike faith is not in the bible... cause after all... I dont read the Bible... In your arrogant opinion... Mark 10 ... If you want i could cut and paste it for your reference. Anyway... I'm pretty much done with talking to you after that last post.
That's not all you believe. Don't forget to tell that them that the greater authority is how you must maintain what you believe, because if you don't maintain, you will lose what you believe to have. Let them know that believing is not enough and you must keep yourself from those sins that are unto death, and if committed, can never be repented of and salvation is lost forever. Make sure they know that they can not put there hope completely in what Christ did on the cross but rather in the greater work of maintaining what God has given by grace when they believed. This is what you have taught us isn't it?
Ahhh I thought you were being sarcastic, then I got it at the end. No I do not teach that if you fall you cannot come to repentance, however apostacy is the sin unto death, and those that make a conscience decision to turn from their salvation will not come back because tey do not want to. Further more faith without works is dead as scripture tells us.
James 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
However we can be assuered of our salvation through faith in Christ, and our works or proof of said faith.
James 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
However we can be assuered of our salvation through faith in Christ, and our works or proof of said faith.
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In typical fashion you set up a straw dummy so you could have something to refute - instead of dealing with the questions I asked. I have not at any time made any mention, nor implication, that because you have FAITH in Jesus Christ you don't try to please God and honor God. My whole dialogue with you has been regarding the absolute truth of Scripture and God's interest for His people to KNOW WHAT IS TRUE. That is all it has been about. A careful reading of this thread will show that to be true. I didn't assume anything. Your answer of "childlike faith" to a multiplicity of questions showed you had no interest in seriously considering those questions. And once again, you answered no questions. The proof is in the pudding, as they say. Hebrews 5:11-14.
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There you go, wrong again. ACTUALLY I ASKED EIGHT QUESTIONS - that’s the number 8. AND YOU ANSWERED NONE OF THEM. All of the questions are in the thread for anyone to see, as well as your failure to answer them. I will now remove myself from this conversation in obedience to Scripture. 1 Corinthians 14:38
alllrightie then and i will consider myself blessed to not be attacked by you anymore. Take care in how you challenge people. Not all have been in a swat team or endured wars... which btw I befriended you because I had deep respect for the price you've paid for your country and thought that would reflect a man of great charactor... some of us have soft hearts. Please just keep that in mind when challenging people on here, we arent just words we are people. Anyway in light of this I've decided to no longer post in the forums where I have no authority and do not belong. Thank you for assisting in this revelation although i dont thank you for the sadness I felt after being attacked by you.
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