Allah and Christ

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I completely understand where you're coming from as I have dealt with others proclaiming a similar doctrine. It's the world that wants to conflate Islam and the sons of God. God is very clear on the issue and does not agree with it. Anyone touting such things will leave God's grace behind.

You're now on my ignore list.
Well, Jesus never puts anyone on ignore list. Think about that.
 

Roughsoul1991

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Well, Jesus never puts anyone on ignore list. Think about that.
God's ignore list can be quite large.

Isaiah 59:2: “But your iniquities have separated you from your God;and your sins have hidden His face from you,so that He will not hear.”
 

presidente

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It is improbable that Cornelius being a Roman soldier should fall into any of the types of people you have mentioned. A critical look at Acts 10 shows he is none. ----- starting from Peter's trance, his utterances and the attitude of the Jews when they heard he went to see the gentiles.

The truth is that, as Peter said, in every nation (and of course religion), he that fears God and works righteously is accepted of God.

What matters in our service of him is the sincerity and integrity of heart in which we follow him. God searches the heart and he is no respecter of persons or any show of religiosity. He accepts all who call upon his name and worship him in sincerity and truth and then guides them to salvation irrespective of religion or race. The story of Cornelius brings this to light.

There are many Cornelius out there who are non Christians , who are faithfully and sincerely following and serving the living God. And God knows them all.
Cornelius feared God. Apparently he was not a pagan when he met Peter.
 
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"He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love." - 1 John 4:8 KJV
 
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Show me where the God of the OT is not the same as the NT.
The Talmud is functionally the New Testament of modern Rabbinic Judaism. It is a common misconception that modern Judaism only follows the OT. The Talmud of course rejects Jesus Christ, but in addition to that also presents a depiction of God which is not omniscient and does not know the hearts of men. In one of the stories a rabbi gets into an argument with the God of the Talmud and tricks and confuses him with words. This type of depiction is completely inconsistent with God of the Holy Bible which knows the hearts of men and can't be tricked by word games. The characters presented in the two bodies of texts are entirely different.
 

Roughsoul1991

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The Talmud is functionally the New Testament of modern Rabbinic Judaism. It is a common misconception that modern Judaism only follows the OT. The Talmud of course rejects Jesus Christ, but in addition to that also presents a depiction of God which is not omniscient and does not know the hearts of men. In one of the stories a rabbi gets into an argument with the God of the Talmud and tricks and confuses him with words. This type of depiction is completely inconsistent with God of the Holy Bible which knows the hearts of men and can't be tricked by word games. The characters presented in the two bodies of texts are entirely different.
I was not talking about modern Jews. I was speaking of the Jews in the days of Jesus.

Modern Jews have strated far away. Many are secular.
 

Jackson123

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I'm not sure about Cornelius' Christology, but I am pretty sure he did not think Islam was God.
Act 10
47 “Surely no one can stand in the way of their being baptized with water. They have received the Holy Spirit just as we have.” 48 So he ordered that they be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked Peter to stay with them for a few days.

Cornelius baptized in the name of Jesus, not islam
 

Jackson123

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CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH
SECOND EDITION


841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."



CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH
SECOND EDITION


1257 The Lord himself affirms that Baptism is necessary for salvation. He also commands his disciples to proclaim the Gospel to all nations and to baptize them. Baptism is necessary for salvation for those to whom the Gospel has been proclaimed and who have had the possibility of asking for this sacrament. The Church does not know of any means other than Baptism that assures entry into eternal beatitude; this is why she takes care not to neglect the mission she has received from the Lord to see that all who can be baptized are "reborn of water and the Spirit." God has bound salvation to the sacrament of Baptism, but he himself is not bound by his sacraments.

Baptism need for salvation, do Islam baptized in the name of Jesus?
 

Jackson123

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Can you show me where I said Allah is Jesus?
We are in the topic allah and Christian God let me copy opening statement

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Some one the other day spoke to me that Allah is just another name for the same God as christianity.
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Jesus is Christian God so if you say Islam god/Allah= Christian God can mean allah= Christ
 

presidente

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Act 10
47 “Surely no one can stand in the way of their being baptized with water. They have received the Holy Spirit just as we have.” 48 So he ordered that they be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked Peter to stay with them for a few days.

Cornelius baptized in the name of Jesus, not islam
I am not sure that proves your previous statement. But I never said anything about Cornelius being Muslim. Muhammadism started around the 600's.
 

Jackson123

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I am not sure that proves your previous statement. But I never said anything about Cornelius being Muslim. Muhammadism started around the 600's.
What do you mean, what statement I am not prove?
 

Jackson123

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Proving that Cornelius understood Christ's divinity.
Act 10
47 “Surely no one can stand in the way of their being baptized with water. They have received the Holy Spirit just as we have.” 48 So he ordered that they be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked Peter to stay with them for a few days.

Cornelius baptized in the name of Jesus, not islam