Allah is Satan

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Jackson123

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We have to note though that this is the catechism of the post-council Church, which is very different from the original Catholic Church.

Since Vatican II the Church has been infiltrated by crypto-Jews and destroyed internally, and this along with the other problems that face the Church today is the result of the anti-Catholic mafia who reigns today over the Vatican. This is not the worst heresy the anti-Church of Vatican II has proclaimed, either. Anti-Pope Bergoglio openly denied the divinity of Jesus and the existence of hell. The post-council "popes" would be excommunicated faster than Luther by the original Catholic Church.
Can you post original text where pope denied the divinity of Jesus and the link?
 

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1 john 2
18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

ANtichrist out from us
Seem not Muslim Muslim not from us (Christian)
It may catholic because it from christian
 

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1 john. 2
18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

Antichrist went out from us

Seem not Muslim, musfltim
 
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This sounds harsh to some who prefer inclusivity, but Mohammad is considered an antichrist according to the Bible. I don't think it wise to try to lead a Muslim to Christ by starting the conversation this way.
I agree with your assessment that Moslems are anti-Christ.

There is some important context for understanding why that is. In KJV there are 3 main verses that deal with identifying who is anti-Christ:

1) 1 John 4:3's criterion is, "every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh"

2) 2 John 1:7's criterion is, "who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh."

3) 1 John 2:22's criterion is, "He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son."

Moslems believe that Jesus is the Messiah (Christ in the sense of being the prophesied anointed one), born of the virgin Mary and will return in the second coming. Most people I've encountered don't actually realize this is what they believe. In fact, the reverence for Jesus seems to mistakenly be attributed to Talmudic worshippers instead. Talmudic worshippers believe that Jesus was a false prophet (not the Messiah) and that Jesus is currently being tortured in boiling excrement in Sheol. Talmudic worshippers are anti-Christ by criteria 1&2. Arguably, Moslems are not.

Criterion 3 is where Moslems meet the definition of anti-Christ and that is because they deny Jesus Christ as the Son of God / God the Son. They deny the deity of Christ as God the Son. From a Trinitarian sense, Jehovah's Witnesses and other non-Trinitarian faiths could also be construed to be anti-Christ due to criterion 3.

Criterion 3 is interesting because the capitalized "Son" is interpolated rather than inherently present in the Greek source manuscript. This means that non-Trinitarian translations might choose to render this as a lower case "son" in a way that would still be consistent with the source manuscript for that verse by itself. We have to look at surrounding texts to bring this back into focus.
 
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"Pope Francis told me: ‘They are the proven proof that Jesus of Nazareth, once having become a man, was, though a man of exceptional virtues, not at all a God.’"

https://gospelnewsnetwork.org/2019/...ican-doesnt-deny-or-demand-correction-of-acc/

https://pulpitandpen.org/2019/10/10/pope-francis-denies-the-deity-of-christ-says-closest-journalist/
I think it needs to be said about that 2019 original reporting that the journalist referenced there, Dr. Eugenio Scalfari , 95, of la Repubblica, is an atheist. And the excerpt causing the uproar is devoid of context.

Also, Dr. Eugenio Scalfari is known to not take notes when conducting interviews. And, he has a history of misquoting Pope Francis before this.

Here is a part of a letter from Francis to Scalfari six years prior in 2013.
" The Christian faith professes that Jesus is the Son of God who came to give his life to open the way of love to all people. Thus you are correct, Dr. Scalfari, when you recognize that the Christian faith hinges on the incarnation of the Son of God. Tertullian wrote “caro cardo salutis”, the flesh (of Christ) is the fulcrum of salvation. Because the incarnation, the Son of God coming in our flesh and sharing the joys and sorrows, the successes and failures of our life, even to crying out on the Cross, experiencing all things with love and fidelity to Abba, testifies to the astonishing love of God for all people, and to the inestimable worth that he sees in them. On account of this, each one of us is called to make Christ’s gaze and love his own, and to enter into his way of being, of thinking and of acting. This is what faith is, with all its expressions as they are accurately employed in the Encyclical. * * * Returning to the editorial of 7 July, you ask me furthermore how to understand the unique identity of the Christian faith in as much as it centres on the incarnation of the Son of God, with respect to other faiths which rest on the absolute transcendence of God. The uniqueness lies, I would say, in the fact that the faith makes us share, through Jesus, in the relationship he has with God who is Abba, and from this perspective, in the relationship of love which he has with all men and women, enemies included. In other words, the sonship of Jesus, as presented by the Christian faith, is not revealed so as to emphasize an insurmountable separation between Jesus and everyone else; rather, it is revealed to tell us that in him, we are all called to be children in the one Father and so brothers and sisters to one another. The uniqueness of Jesus has to do with communication, not exclusion."

Letter link https://www.vatican.va/content/fran...papa-francesco_20130911_eugenio-scalfari.html
 
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I think it needs to be said about that 2019 original reporting that the journalist referenced there, Dr. Eugenio Scalfari , 95, of la Repubblica, is an atheist. And the excerpt causing the uproar is devoid of context.

Also, Dr. Eugenio Scalfari was known to not take notes when conducting interviews. And, he had a history of misquoting Pope Francis before this.

Here is a part of a letter from Francis to Scalfari six years prior in 2013.
" The Christian faith professes that Jesus is the Son of God who came to give his life to open the way of love to all people. Thus you are correct, Dr. Scalfari, when you recognize that the Christian faith hinges on the incarnation of the Son of God. Tertullian wrote “caro cardo salutis”, the flesh (of Christ) is the fulcrum of salvation. Because the incarnation, the Son of God coming in our flesh and sharing the joys and sorrows, the successes and failures of our life, even to crying out on the Cross, experiencing all things with love and fidelity to Abba, testifies to the astonishing love of God for all people, and to the inestimable worth that he sees in them. On account of this, each one of us is called to make Christ’s gaze and love his own, and to enter into his way of being, of thinking and of acting. This is what faith is, with all its expressions as they are accurately employed in the Encyclical. * * * Returning to the editorial of 7 July, you ask me furthermore how to understand the unique identity of the Christian faith in as much as it centres on the incarnation of the Son of God, with respect to other faiths which rest on the absolute transcendence of God. The uniqueness lies, I would say, in the fact that the faith makes us share, through Jesus, in the relationship he has with God who is Abba, and from this perspective, in the relationship of love which he has with all men and women, enemies included. In other words, the sonship of Jesus, as presented by the Christian faith, is not revealed so as to emphasize an insurmountable separation between Jesus and everyone else; rather, it is revealed to tell us that in him, we are all called to be children in the one Father and so brothers and sisters to one another. The uniqueness of Jesus has to do with communication, not exclusion."

Letter link https://www.vatican.va/content/fran...papa-francesco_20130911_eugenio-scalfari.html
But if this man had supposedly misquoted Bergoglio in the past, then why in the world would he continue to work with him???

By the way, I'm not intending to discuss this here. Let's not divert the topic.
 

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I agree with your assessment that Moslems are anti-Christ.

There is some important context for understanding why that is. In KJV there are 3 main verses that deal with identifying who is anti-Christ:

1) 1 John 4:3's criterion is, "every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh"

2) 2 John 1:7's criterion is, "who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh."

3) 1 John 2:22's criterion is, "He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son."

Moslems believe that Jesus is the Messiah (Christ in the sense of being the prophesied anointed one), born of the virgin Mary and will return in the second coming. Most people I've encountered don't actually realize this is what they believe. In fact, the reverence for Jesus seems to mistakenly be attributed to Talmudic worshippers instead. Talmudic worshippers believe that Jesus was a false prophet (not the Messiah) and that Jesus is currently being tortured in boiling excrement in Sheol. Talmudic worshippers are anti-Christ by criteria 1&2. Arguably, Moslems are not.

Criterion 3 is where Moslems meet the definition of anti-Christ and that is because they deny Jesus Christ as the Son of God / God the Son. They deny the deity of Christ as God the Son. From a Trinitarian sense, Jehovah's Witnesses and other non-Trinitarian faiths could also be construed to be anti-Christ due to criterion 3.

Criterion 3 is interesting because the capitalized "Son" is interpolated rather than inherently present in the Greek source manuscript. This means that non-Trinitarian translations might choose to render this as a lower case "son" in a way that would still be consistent with the source manuscript for that verse by itself. We have to look at surrounding texts to bring this back into focus.
That's a good study Jocund.

Here's a movie/documentary to back your comment to back up your comment about the blasphemy of the Talmudic Jews. You might find it interesting.

Here's an MP4 teaching on that point you made too .
https://www.kjv1611only.com/video/12other/Jewish_Blasphemy_Of_Christ.mp4

As to the Muslims, I agree too.
I don't think the capitalization of Son/son is a problem as we can share many verses that distinctly show the Diety of Jesus as much as He being the Son of God. I've not been successful yet leading them to the Lord, but know that it's possible. This church travelled from AZ to that infamous Muslim city in Michigan (forgot the name), on a mission trip. They led many to Christ.

https://www.kjv1611only.com/video/0...rson/In_Light_Of_The_Bible_-_Islam_Part_1.mp4
 
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But if this man had supposedly misquoted Bergoglio in the past, then why in the world would he continue to work with him???

By the way, I'm not intending to discuss this here. Let's not divert the topic.
This topic claiming Allah is Satan was diverted the moment someone interjected Pope Francis into it.
 
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I agree with your assessment that Moslems are anti-Christ.

There is some important context for understanding why that is. In KJV there are 3 main verses that deal with identifying who is anti-Christ:

1) 1 John 4:3's criterion is, "every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh"

2) 2 John 1:7's criterion is, "who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh."

3) 1 John 2:22's criterion is, "He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son."

Moslems believe that Jesus is the Messiah (Christ in the sense of being the prophesied anointed one), born of the virgin Mary and will return in the second coming. Most people I've encountered don't actually realize this is what they believe. In fact, the reverence for Jesus seems to mistakenly be attributed to Talmudic worshippers instead. Talmudic worshippers believe that Jesus was a false prophet (not the Messiah) and that Jesus is currently being tortured in boiling excrement in Sheol. Talmudic worshippers are anti-Christ by criteria 1&2.
And 3. Across the board, the Pharisees, who still follow the Talmud and helped set up the nation calling itself Israel, are still antichrist. They still follow the traditions of men, over Moses, having these days even at base practice, abandoned any need for the covering of sins, though having no authority to do so. Most self-named Jews don't really consider that they are dead to God eternally without a blood covering, because the Talmudist has reasoned away a need for blood covering.
 
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And 3. Across the board, the Pharisees, who still follow the Talmud and helped set up the nation calling itself Israel, are still antichrist. They still follow the traditions of men, over Moses, having these days even at base practice, abandoned any need for the covering of sins, though having no authority to do so. Most self-named Jews don't really consider that they are dead to God eternally without a blood covering, because the Talmudist has reasoned away a need for blood covering.
You might find this useful. The Isaiah 53 chapter Jews aren't taught in synogogue.

 

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18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

Muslim not went out from us

It may catholic
 
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18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

Muslim not went out from us

It may catholic
The Bible says that all who deny that Jesus is Christ are antichrists:

1 John 2:22 Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son.
 
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You might find this useful. The Isaiah 53 chapter Jews aren't taught in synogogue.

there's a WWII museum in New Orleans i visited once. they have every nation listed involved. there was a jewish section and it included the old gideon pocket Bibles. there was 2 on display. and we noticed that in both Isaiah 53 was ripped out of it. can you imagine going to war and being handed a Bible that one of the most valuable Chapters in it was ripped out? just horrible. maybe they met Americans and looked at their Bibles to read Isaiah 53. we can only hope.
 
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there's a WWII museum in New Orleans i visited once. they have every nation listed involved. there was a jewish section and it included the old gideon pocket Bibles. there was 2 on display. and we noticed that in both Isaiah 53 was ripped out of it. can you imagine going to war and being handed a Bible that one of the most valuable Chapters in it was ripped out? just horrible. maybe they met Americans and looked at their Bibles to read Isaiah 53. we can only hope.
Maybe what they are today is due to the curse their ancestors afforded them over 2000 years ago.

CJB
Matthew 27:24 When Pilate saw that he was accomplishing nothing, but rather that a riot was starting, he took water, washed his hands in front of the crowd, and said, “My hands are clean of this man’s blood; it’s your responsibility.” 25 All the people answered, “His blood is on us and on our children!”

Isaiah is devastating to the Jews in light of that chapters accounting of Jesus and his execution.
 
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Maybe what they are today is due to the curse their ancestors afforded them over 2000 years ago.

CJB
Matthew 27:24 When Pilate saw that he was accomplishing nothing, but rather that a riot was starting, he took water, washed his hands in front of the crowd, and said, “My hands are clean of this man’s blood; it’s your responsibility.” 25 All the people answered, “His blood is on us and on our children!”

Isaiah is devastating to the Jews in light of that chapters accounting of Jesus and his execution.
Amen!

just watching that quick 9 minute video you could see the worry in the eyes as they read Isaiah 53 and then 2 of them figured it was Yeshua. but you could tell they felt lied to. that is a very moving video and powerful. i mean, Jesus, in some translations sent either 70 or 72 Disciples out. over 500 saw him after His Resurrection. that set the world on fire. but in that video those who figured it out could set the nation of israel on fire and go from 500k followers of Christ to millions even before the Tribulation begins.
 

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there's a WWII museum in New Orleans i visited once. they have every nation listed involved. there was a jewish section and it included the old gideon pocket Bibles. there was 2 on display. and we noticed that in both Isaiah 53 was ripped out of it. can you imagine going to war and being handed a Bible that one of the most valuable Chapters in it was ripped out? just horrible. maybe they met Americans and looked at their Bibles to read Isaiah 53. we can only hope.
I thought the Gideon pocket bibles were New Testaments.
The Old and New Testaments could hardly be called pocket bibles.