Am I correct in my understanding of salvation?

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Would I be correct in the understanding that Jesus died on the cross to pay the penalty for our sins and that by believing in His death, burial, and resurrection I am saved? I guess I would also include that He is the son of God (the Father) and God Himself.
 

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There is more to this than just "believing" in Jesus and his atonement for our sins.
Read Acts to understand what believers were required to do to become Christians and to enter into the Kingdom of God.
 

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Would I be correct in the understanding that Jesus died on the cross to pay the penalty for our sins and that by believing in His death, burial, and resurrection I am saved? I guess I would also include that He is the son of God (the Father) and God Himself.
Yeah, if you believe that Jesus died and rose again to save you from your sins and you have asked Him to forgive you of your sins.. then you are saved eternally. And yeah.. that He is God.

Romans 10:

(Rom 10:8) But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;

(Rom 10:9) That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

(Rom 10:10) For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

(Rom 10:11) For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

(Rom 10:12) For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

(Rom 10:13) For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
 

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There is more to this than just "believing" in Jesus and his atonement for our sins.
Read Acts to understand what believers were required to do to become Christians and to enter into the Kingdom of God.
Belief is the essential requirement. True belief, not simple hope or wavering, leads to all the actions & behaviors many would place with, or before accepting THE truth. I see the fruits of the Spirit as a result, and not a faith plus scenario; and for those who would quote James, he simply compares real faith to counterfeit.
 
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Would I be correct in the understanding that Jesus died on the cross to pay the penalty for our sins and that by believing in His death, burial, and resurrection I am saved? I guess I would also include that He is the son of God (the Father) and God Himself.
It is more than belief, It is faith, Do you have faith God did that, And God will keep his promise to you based on his faithfulness?
 
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John 3. God so loved world gave his only son whoever believes HAS eternal life. And will never die, Whoever believed is not condemned, Who ever does not believe is condemned already.
 
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Yeah, if you believe that Jesus died and rose again to save you from your sins and you have asked Him to forgive you of your sins.. then you are saved eternally. And yeah.. that He is God.

Romans 10:

(Rom 10:8) But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;

(Rom 10:9) That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

(Rom 10:10) For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

(Rom 10:11) For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

(Rom 10:12) For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

(Rom 10:13) For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
I feel that some are thinking that they get saved by speaking from the mouth.
 
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Would I be correct in the understanding that Jesus died on the cross to pay the penalty for our sins and that by believing in His death, burial, and resurrection I am saved? I guess I would also include that He is the son of God (the Father) and God Himself.
How do you address Romans 10:9-10?

Have you been convicted about your sin, Christ's righteousness and the certain eternal judgment on those who die apart from Christ? John 16:8-11

Belief is more than a mental ascent.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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Yeah, if you believe that Jesus died and rose again to save you from your sins and you have asked Him to forgive you of your sins.. then you are saved eternally. And yeah.. that He is God.
That is Repentance.

Peter replied when asked in Acts 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Romans 10:

(Rom 10:8) But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;

(Rom 10:9) That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

(Rom 10:10) For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

(Rom 10:11) For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

(Rom 10:12) For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

(Rom 10:13) For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Lets read the very next verse...

Romans 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
[14] How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
[15] And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!


Lets turn to the book of Acts for a moment...

Acts 8:26 And the angel of the Lord spake unto Philip, saying, Arise, and go toward the south unto the way that goeth down from Jerusalem unto Gaza, which is desert.
[27] And he arose and went: and, behold, a man of Ethiopia, an eunuch of great authority under Candace queen of the Ethiopians, who had the charge of all her treasure, and had come to Jerusalem for to worship,
[30] And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest?
[31] And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.
[32] The place of the scripture which he read was this, He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; and like a lamb dumb before his shearer, so opened he not his mouth:
[33] In his humiliation his judgment was taken away: and who shall declare his generation? for his life is taken from the earth.
[34] And the eunuch answered Philip, and said, I pray thee, of whom speaketh the prophet this? of himself, or of some other man?

Now this is where I'm going with this...

Acts 8:35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.
[36] And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?

In the PREACHING of JESUS we see that Water Baptism was preached, which is in accordance with Peter's reply in Acts 2:38. And preaching water baptism is the burial with Christ...

Romans 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
[4] Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

And, when someone asks how to be saved, we preach unto them Jesus and Acts 2:38, just as Peter had done.

-Thank you.
 

Guojing

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Would I be correct in the understanding that Jesus died on the cross to pay the penalty for our sins and that by believing in His death, burial, and resurrection I am saved? I guess I would also include that He is the son of God (the Father) and God Himself.
As you can see from the various replies, there is a continual never ending debate on
  1. whether we are under the Gospel proclaimed in the 4 Gospels and Early Acts, where you need to believe AND be water baptized for the remission of sins, or
  2. whether we are under Paul's Gospel, where belief alone in Jesus's death burial resurrection, is enough for salvation.
 
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As you can see from the various replies, there is a continual never ending debate on
  1. whether we are under the Gospel proclaimed in the 4 Gospels and Early Acts, where you need to believe AND be water baptized for the remission of sins, or
  2. whether we are under Paul's Gospel, where belief alone in Jesus's death burial resurrection, is enough for salvation.
Rubbish. What nonsense is this?
There ain't two gospels preached. Paul is preaching and upholding exactly the same gospel as that espoused by Jesus and
described in Acts.
Problem is people can't read scritpure.
 
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I think it worthy to note Water baptism is full immersion into the water, having the Name of JESUS pronounced over us...

The word "baptize" is derived from the Greek word "baptizo" meaning: fully wet, immerse, submerge, plunge into, dip or bury.
It symbolizes the burial of Christ (a complete entombment not sprinkling some dirt on His dead corpse.)

THE GREAT COMMISSION GIVEN...
"Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:"

The word NAME in Matthew 28:19 is SINGULAR (meaning ONE) and that the words FATHER, SON and HOLY GHOST are TITLES. Also, Jesus was NOT telling his disciples what to "SAY" in Matthew 28:19, He was telling them what to "DO." Jesus is the name of the Father (John 5:43), Jesus is the name of the Son (Matthew 1:21) and Jesus is the name of the Holy Ghost (John 14:26).

THE GREAT COMMISSION IN ACTION...
Acts 2:38 "Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the NAME of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."
Acts 8:16 "(For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the NAME of the Lord Jesus)."
Acts 19:5 "When they heard this, they were baptized in the NAME of the Lord Jesus."

And, Galatians 3:27 "For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ."

Thank You.
 

Guojing

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Rubbish. What nonsense is this?
There ain't two gospels preached. Paul is preaching and upholding exactly the same gospel as that espoused by Jesus and
described in Acts.
Problem is people can't read scritpure.
If the same gospel you are talking about is the Jesus’ Death, burial, and resurrection, this is what you get from scripture
  • Ignorant of Jesus’ Death, burial, and resurrection

  • 1. Matthew 16:21-22 – Jesus first began to tell them of his death and yet Peter tried to prevent it.
  • 2. Mark 8:31-32 – Another account of Peter rebuking the Lord for speaking about his death.
  • 3. Mark 9:31-32 – After hearing about the death and resurrection of Jesus the disciples “understood not and were afraid to ask him”
  • 4. Luke 9:44-45 – “But they understood not this saying, and it was hid from them, that they perceived it not: and they feared to ask him of that saying.”
  • 5. Luke 18:31-34 – “And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken.”
  • 6. John 2:21-22 – They did not understand the resurrection until after it happened.

  • Disbelief in the Resurrection
  • 7. Mark 16:5-14 – The ladies were afraid when they found the tomb empty. The disciples did not believe after two witnesses testified of the resurrection.
  • 8. Luke 24:1-4 – The ladies were perplexed about what had happened to Jesus.
  • 9. Luke 24:8-12 – The stories of Jesus’ “disappearance” were idle tales. Peter wondered what happened.
  • 10. John 20:2 – Mary Magdalene thought someone had stolen Jesus after he had resurrected.
  • 11. John 20:7-9 – The disciples after seeing the empty tomb believed Mary that someone had stolen Jesus. They did not know about the resurrection yet.

  • Did not understand the cross for salvation
  • 12. John 20:21-23 – Even after the resurrection, the disciples did not understand what it accomplished. Here they are given the authority to remit sins.
  • 13. Acts 3:14-15 – The crucifixion was presented as a murder indictment to Israel at Pentecost. The resurrection as a warning that he would return to seek vengeance.
  • 14. Acts 5:28 – Instead of the blood being payment for sins it was presented as the evidence of guilty murderers.
  • 15. Acts 7:52 – Stephen accuses the rulers of betrayal and murder of the Just One.
  • 16. Acts 10:39 – According to Paul’s gospel Christ died willingly in the place of sinners. According to Peter he died because he was slain by certain Jews. Could it be that Peter does not yet understand the mystery of the cross?
Conclusions:
This list does not prove that the Twelve were disobedient to the gospel that was presented to them. Contrarily, they were some of the first believers in the gospel of the kingdom. They were among the faithful remnant of Israel who trusted that Jesus was the Son of God and promised Messiah.

However, these verses show that the gospel they knew and trusted was not the preaching of the cross that Paul taught. Whereas they knew Jesus Christ as Messiah to Israel, Paul would later teach Jesus Christ on the cross as payment for sins to Gentiles.
The preaching of the cross was offered for salvation first through the Apostle Paul as the Lord revealed the meaning of the death, burial, and resurrection. The Twelve apostles were ignorant of this message.

"...to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery..." Ephesians 3:9
 

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As you can see from the various replies, there is a continual never ending debate on
  1. whether we are under the Gospel proclaimed in the 4 Gospels and Early Acts, where you need to believe AND be water baptized for the remission of sins, or
  2. whether we are under Paul's Gospel, where belief alone in Jesus's death burial resurrection, is enough for salvation.
All I can say is the Holy Spirit exhorted me to be baptized properly from the time He started dealing with me. Must be something to that. Just saying... :D(y):cool:
 

Blik

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Would I be correct in the understanding that Jesus died on the cross to pay the penalty for our sins and that by believing in His death, burial, and resurrection I am saved? I guess I would also include that He is the son of God (the Father) and God Himself.
Being saved means that the part of us that lives forever goes to live with God. Sin cannot live with God, so Christ was sent to pay for our sins. For about 4,000 years of our world people used a symbol of Christ for partial salvation, called the Sacrificial system. We are only saved when we call on Christ's payment of our sins for forgiveness.

After we are saved there is much to learn about living as a person free of sin. Our goals and ideas undergo a change in direction. John the Baptist said: Mark 1:8 "I baptized you with water; but He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit."
 
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If the same gospel you are talking about is the Jesus’ Death, burial, and resurrection, this is what you get from scripture
  • Ignorant of Jesus’ Death, burial, and resurrection

  • 1. Matthew 16:21-22 – Jesus first began to tell them of his death and yet Peter tried to prevent it.
  • 2. Mark 8:31-32 – Another account of Peter rebuking the Lord for speaking about his death.
  • 3. Mark 9:31-32 – After hearing about the death and resurrection of Jesus the disciples “understood not and were afraid to ask him”
  • 4. Luke 9:44-45 – “But they understood not this saying, and it was hid from them, that they perceived it not: and they feared to ask him of that saying.”
  • 5. Luke 18:31-34 – “And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken.”
  • 6. John 2:21-22 – They did not understand the resurrection until after it happened.

Conclusions:
This list does not prove that the Twelve were disobedient to the gospel that was presented to them. Contrarily, they were some of the first believers in the gospel of the kingdom. They were among the faithful remnant of Israel who trusted that Jesus was the Son of God and promised Messiah.

However, these verses show that the gospel they knew and trusted was not the preaching of the cross that Paul taught. Whereas they knew Jesus Christ as Messiah to Israel, Paul would later teach Jesus Christ on the cross as payment for sins to Gentiles.
The preaching of the cross was offered for salvation first through the Apostle Paul as the Lord revealed the meaning of the death, burial, and resurrection. The Twelve apostles were ignorant of this message.

"...to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery..." Ephesians 3:9

The Preaching of JESUS and Acts2:38 was enough for me to...

1. Repent
2. Find a church that baptizes full immersion in Jesus NAME, and
3. Be filled with the Holy Ghost speaking in toungues as the Holy Ghost gives the utterance.

Interestingly enough, that is EXACTLY the BORN AGAIN believer should experience, being BORN AGAIN the Bible Way.

Jesus said to Nicodemus in John 3:3, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

Clarifying, Jesus said in verse 5, Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.


When God created all that was created he made a parallel between what is spirit and what is the natural.

When a woman is in the hospital birthing room a baby is born crying, and we know there is movement, there is life.

When we are baptized in Jesus name and filled with the Holy Ghost speaking in tongues, as it is with the New Testament Church in Acts, we know there is movement, there is LIFE, a baby in the church womb is just birthed forth, and is now Born Again!


Acts 2:1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
[2] And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
[3] And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
[4] And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

-Thank you.
 
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One more thing, Jesus said to Nicodemus, John 3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

Acts 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Thank you.
 

Guojing

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The Preaching of JESUS and Acts2:38 was enough for me to...

1. Repent
2. Find a church that baptizes full immersion in Jesus NAME, and
3. Be filled with the Holy Ghost speaking in toungues as the Holy Ghost gives the utterance.

Interestingly enough, that is EXACTLY the BORN AGAIN believer should experience, being BORN AGAIN the Bible Way.

Jesus said to Nicodemus in John 3:3, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

Clarifying, Jesus said in verse 5, Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.


When God created all that was created he made a parallel between what is spirit and what is the natural.

When a woman is in the hospital birthing room a baby is born crying, and we know there is movement, there is life.

When we are baptized in Jesus name and filled with the Holy Ghost speaking in tongues, as it is with the New Testament Church in Acts, we know there is movement, there is LIFE, a baby in the church womb is just birthed forth, and is now Born Again!


Acts 2:1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
[2] And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
[3] And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
[4] And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

-Thank you.
If you are following the model in acts 2, it is based on the gospel of the kingdom where you need to accept Jesus as the promised messiah and the Son of God.

Unfortunately you are not a Jew so that promise was not for you.
 

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If you are following the model in acts 2, it is based on the gospel of the kingdom where you need to accept Jesus as the promised messiah and the Son of God.

Unfortunately you are not a Jew so that promise was not for you.
There are scriptures speaking of God seeing all humans as the same, no difference between any of us. There are scriptures saying god thanks the Jews, and expects us to thank them also, for being a people He used for the benefit of all. There is nothing in scripture about God giving one way for Jews and another for all others.

Just as God rules the heavens so the stars, sun and moon act the same according to how God created them to act, so God gave us what we call law governing how are thoughts and actions affect our life. These are how the world operates, and it operates the same for Jew and gentile.

When a human gives their sin to Christ for forgiveness, it sets up a chain reaction in that person's world, and God see a human He created all the same, not divided by race or color.
 

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Would I be correct in the understanding that Jesus died on the cross to pay the penalty for our sins and that by believing in His death, burial, and resurrection I am saved? I guess I would also include that He is the son of God (the Father) and God Himself.
Yes. Don't listen to any of the fools who think that Jesus wasn't perfect, and that he needs our help to save us.