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Geo, I believe that salvation is by faith alone. Good works is the fruit of obedience to God's will. If it was both faith and good works it would be inconsistent and tame the message of grace. Grace is His righteousness untamed, it's the overwhelming love of God, undeserved by all who accept his gift. How would we know if we'd done enough works to attain salvation? The Reformation did some good, I think. I imagine you'd disagree.
From the first day of belief one is sealed with the Holy Spirit complete in Christ, and your issue is that we will slip up, and you even admitted as we grow we sin less and less that we need to slip so we know we need a savior.
This is a great will (flesh) worship and has caused many a believers to be deceived and are caught working out their salvation with fear and trembling, never dying to sin never believing by the operation of God that from God they are dead to sin the flesh. No flesh in his sight will ever please God and all sin has been (past tense) condemned to the flesh
Now to finish that working out ones salvation the next verse reads for it is God that does the work in you according to his good measure.
I am telling you, if you want to forsake sin, be in the Spirit continuously and live day by day there. I am not talking about past sin nor am I talking about being proud, for the flesh while in the Spirit is dead, reman in this mind set Romans 6:11 reckon thyself to be dead to sin. and in order to be dead to sin one has to believe they are thus one stays in ther Spiritual mindset. this is what God wants in you the believer for God to start living through you instead of just in you. When you no longer live then God is manifested, and all you are is God's vessel like a water glass is your vessel to use as you see fit that is what the water glass is created for. So we the people were created like a water glass a vessel to be used by God whenever God chooses to do so. Problem flesh got in the way at the tree of evil back at the Garden of Eden, and Jesus came did his work through the Spirit of God, the Holy Ghost, went to the cross and took all sin away, came back to life and lives forever more in the Spirit. We are to follow the way, the truth, the life and this life is in the Spirit (not flesh), the truth is in the Spirit and this Spirit is sent to the believer to tell you truth to live in the Spirit, for God can only be worshipped in Spirit and truth. So today start believing you are already dead in the flesh to sin and held alive by the Holy Spirit of truth and comeout of the bondage of flesh (sin)
Thank you all for those who have an ear to hear
Homwardbound
This is a great will (flesh) worship and has caused many a believers to be deceived and are caught working out their salvation with fear and trembling, never dying to sin never believing by the operation of God that from God they are dead to sin the flesh. No flesh in his sight will ever please God and all sin has been (past tense) condemned to the flesh
Now to finish that working out ones salvation the next verse reads for it is God that does the work in you according to his good measure.
I am telling you, if you want to forsake sin, be in the Spirit continuously and live day by day there. I am not talking about past sin nor am I talking about being proud, for the flesh while in the Spirit is dead, reman in this mind set Romans 6:11 reckon thyself to be dead to sin. and in order to be dead to sin one has to believe they are thus one stays in ther Spiritual mindset. this is what God wants in you the believer for God to start living through you instead of just in you. When you no longer live then God is manifested, and all you are is God's vessel like a water glass is your vessel to use as you see fit that is what the water glass is created for. So we the people were created like a water glass a vessel to be used by God whenever God chooses to do so. Problem flesh got in the way at the tree of evil back at the Garden of Eden, and Jesus came did his work through the Spirit of God, the Holy Ghost, went to the cross and took all sin away, came back to life and lives forever more in the Spirit. We are to follow the way, the truth, the life and this life is in the Spirit (not flesh), the truth is in the Spirit and this Spirit is sent to the believer to tell you truth to live in the Spirit, for God can only be worshipped in Spirit and truth. So today start believing you are already dead in the flesh to sin and held alive by the Holy Spirit of truth and comeout of the bondage of flesh (sin)
Thank you all for those who have an ear to hear
Homwardbound
Salvation with Faith alone is impossible.Do not believe in it.Early Church teaching never was in Faith alone.Take any book of Early Church Fathers and read,u wont find it.2000 years of experience of Church confirms that Faith and work brings Salvation.
I don't know who started this teaching about Faith alone,but how ever,that wasnt practice of Early Church,nor it is today in Holy Orthodox Church.
I don't know who started this teaching about Faith alone,but how ever,that wasnt practice of Early Church,nor it is today in Holy Orthodox Church.
Then let him and you sell everything you have, house, car, clothes (just enough to cover your flesh) and walk away from your family and teach and preach as Christ did. May you have no place to lay your head! If you want to pick up Christ's cross and bear it, then prove it...Come to my house when you have nothing and I will feed you for a time.
Christ told us to pick up our cross and follow him, not to pick up His cross.
Christ told us to pick up our cross and follow him, not to pick up His cross.
Explain this?
Ephesians 2:9
[SUP]8 [/SUP]For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, [SUP]9[/SUP]not of works, lest anyone should boast. [SUP]10 [/SUP]For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.
Ephesians 2:9
[SUP]8 [/SUP]For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, [SUP]9[/SUP]not of works, lest anyone should boast. [SUP]10 [/SUP]For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.
Yes as one grows and listens God teaches truth that sets one free from sin here and now. Yet one is taught they can go back to sin the next day or a week from now, a month,what ever all this is doing is putting one mind set back on sin and when one is back on thinking about not sinning or even it is okay to sin but I choose not to, guess what happens? yes that is right you sin. Now if your focus stayed on thanking God, praising God, so preoccupied with God's love tell me where is the time to sin.
We all keep hearing that God wants you to quit sinning, and we a majority have fallen into this trap and we set out to quit sinning and all we do is sin all the more Romans 7 explains this, and the only solution to stop is Christ Jesus the finished work where from God the Father's vantage point is all sin in his sight has (past tense) benn taken away Hebrews10:17. So quit focusing on quitting Sin for you can't not even asking for God's help can you. You the flesh need to be out of the way completely and then God can perform in you what you wanted to perform all that time you tried to in the energy of your own flesh
We all keep hearing that God wants you to quit sinning, and we a majority have fallen into this trap and we set out to quit sinning and all we do is sin all the more Romans 7 explains this, and the only solution to stop is Christ Jesus the finished work where from God the Father's vantage point is all sin in his sight has (past tense) benn taken away Hebrews10:17. So quit focusing on quitting Sin for you can't not even asking for God's help can you. You the flesh need to be out of the way completely and then God can perform in you what you wanted to perform all that time you tried to in the energy of your own flesh
Bookends One is a christian from God's vantage point the day one first believes and God starts the work in you that day from that day God carries on unto showing you that he has taken it all away for you personally, when you receive this from God you will react as Cobus did and wrote, for the same has happened to me
Homwardbound
Homwardbound
I agree in most part on what you posted, we are saved from our sins, and not IN them, I would love to hear where repentance and faith fit into what you wrote, so I guess we can agree we must stop sinning to receive His great mercy and salvation!
A Saint or an aint?
Joh 10:27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow(obey) Me.
Either you are one or the other, no such things as a sinning saint! A saint is walking in the present tense with Christ, being obedient, pure in heart and deed, and listening to His voice, then they follow Him on the narrow road. Luke 9-23-24.
Luke 9:23 And He said to all, If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow Me.
Luke 9:24 For whoever will save his life shall lose it, but whoever will lose his life for My sake, he shall save it.
A real saint as described in the Bible has crucified his flesh with Christ, Galatians 2-20,
Gal 2:20 I have been crucified with Christ, and I live; yet no longer I, but Christ lives in me. And that life I now live in the flesh, I live by faith(obedience) toward the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself on my behalf.
Once and for all, hence I have been crucified, and thus they now walk in newness of life, 2 Corinthians 5-17.
2Co 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold all things are become new.
Cleansed and purified of all willful sin, through a real repentance and faith. 2 Corinthians 7-10-11.
2Co 7:10 For the grief according to God works repentance to salvation, not to be regretted, but the grief of the world works out death.
2Co 7:11 For behold this same thing (you being grieved according to God); how much it worked out earnestness in you; but also defense; but also indignation; but also fear; but also desire; but also zeal; but also vengeance! In everything you approved yourselves to be clear (pure) in the matter.
They must remain diligent and faithful to the truth, obey from the heart, and keep themselves undefiled from the world and its false ways! 1 John 2-15-17.
1Jn 2:15 Do not love the world, nor the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him,
1Jn 2:16 because all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
1Jn 2:17 And the world passes away, and the lust of it, but he who does the will of God abides forever.
You are not a saint without actually doing the works of righteousness(doing what is right) Jesus didn’t obey for you, but made a way, through His bold example for us to follow, He said His sheep follow Him and His steps and ways, which leads to eternal life. But sadly most churches teaches Jesus did it all for them, He took their place, and a real Christian is actually a sinner, but called a saint because they believe in Jesus!
Rom 8:4 So that the righteousness of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.
It’s simple, obedience matters, those who count the cost and endure to the end will inherit eternal life, as you walk in the spirit, and not the flesh, walking as Jesus walked, in sincerity, purity and love!
A real saint will not be perfect as some think perfection is( as perfect as God) BUT will be living the crucified life, that only comes through repentance and faith both proven by deeds! And these deeds include obeying Jesus from the heart, abstaining from all appearances of evil, departing from iniquity, counting the cost, and most of all, crucifying your flesh with Christ once and for all, not because He did it for you, but because He commands you to do it, and a real saint will never argue in favor of sin!
Gal 5:24 But those belonging to Christ have crucified the flesh with its passions and lusts.
Gal 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
Tommy 8-18-12
Many will say this way is too difficult, and will come up with many excuses why they can’t obey and follow Jesus on the narrow road, but Jesus made it perfectly clear when He said, strive to enter the narrow gate, where the professing church says, it’s done for you, you cannot obey God, and to fear Him isn't important, just believe all is done, you do nothing but trust it has been done for you! Does this sound like the narrow way Jesus preached in the word?
Ecc 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
Ecc 12:14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.
Joh 10:27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow(obey) Me.
Either you are one or the other, no such things as a sinning saint! A saint is walking in the present tense with Christ, being obedient, pure in heart and deed, and listening to His voice, then they follow Him on the narrow road. Luke 9-23-24.
Luke 9:23 And He said to all, If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow Me.
Luke 9:24 For whoever will save his life shall lose it, but whoever will lose his life for My sake, he shall save it.
A real saint as described in the Bible has crucified his flesh with Christ, Galatians 2-20,
Gal 2:20 I have been crucified with Christ, and I live; yet no longer I, but Christ lives in me. And that life I now live in the flesh, I live by faith(obedience) toward the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself on my behalf.
Once and for all, hence I have been crucified, and thus they now walk in newness of life, 2 Corinthians 5-17.
2Co 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold all things are become new.
Cleansed and purified of all willful sin, through a real repentance and faith. 2 Corinthians 7-10-11.
2Co 7:10 For the grief according to God works repentance to salvation, not to be regretted, but the grief of the world works out death.
2Co 7:11 For behold this same thing (you being grieved according to God); how much it worked out earnestness in you; but also defense; but also indignation; but also fear; but also desire; but also zeal; but also vengeance! In everything you approved yourselves to be clear (pure) in the matter.
They must remain diligent and faithful to the truth, obey from the heart, and keep themselves undefiled from the world and its false ways! 1 John 2-15-17.
1Jn 2:15 Do not love the world, nor the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him,
1Jn 2:16 because all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
1Jn 2:17 And the world passes away, and the lust of it, but he who does the will of God abides forever.
You are not a saint without actually doing the works of righteousness(doing what is right) Jesus didn’t obey for you, but made a way, through His bold example for us to follow, He said His sheep follow Him and His steps and ways, which leads to eternal life. But sadly most churches teaches Jesus did it all for them, He took their place, and a real Christian is actually a sinner, but called a saint because they believe in Jesus!
Rom 8:4 So that the righteousness of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.
It’s simple, obedience matters, those who count the cost and endure to the end will inherit eternal life, as you walk in the spirit, and not the flesh, walking as Jesus walked, in sincerity, purity and love!
A real saint will not be perfect as some think perfection is( as perfect as God) BUT will be living the crucified life, that only comes through repentance and faith both proven by deeds! And these deeds include obeying Jesus from the heart, abstaining from all appearances of evil, departing from iniquity, counting the cost, and most of all, crucifying your flesh with Christ once and for all, not because He did it for you, but because He commands you to do it, and a real saint will never argue in favor of sin!
Gal 5:24 But those belonging to Christ have crucified the flesh with its passions and lusts.
Gal 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
Tommy 8-18-12
Many will say this way is too difficult, and will come up with many excuses why they can’t obey and follow Jesus on the narrow road, but Jesus made it perfectly clear when He said, strive to enter the narrow gate, where the professing church says, it’s done for you, you cannot obey God, and to fear Him isn't important, just believe all is done, you do nothing but trust it has been done for you! Does this sound like the narrow way Jesus preached in the word?
Ecc 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
Ecc 12:14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.
Wait a minute Tintin it is not good news to not sin, is that not what Christ came to do take away sin as if we all are now Adam and Eve back in the garden of Eden and now chose to eat from the tree of life (Christ) instead of evil. It is not I that live any longer it is Christ that lives in me and now through me, you and all that will agree to die to the flesh and be alive to God in the Spirit of God have eternal life, God is the faithful one, and we are not. all the more reason to die to the flesh. so youcan come alive in the Spirit and stay =focused on the Spirit = life focused on deedsworks = flesh -= death, and if you are a believer then God will show you the truth that sets you free from bondage giving God all the credit for this freedom in him
Romans 6:1-11 You are dead to sin so how can you sin anymore as long as you are dead to sin you can't sin period
Romans 6:1-11 You are dead to sin so how can you sin anymore as long as you are dead to sin you can't sin period
never said anyone is judging, just that some are acting less Christlike, i wasn't pointing my finger at anyone, if one feels convicted, it may be the Holy Spirit convicting them. As for selling all that i have leaving family and friends to go out and preach, i have done that, and the Father keeps bringing me back, and giving it back. Not sure when i will be led on my next pilgramage, but i'm sure it will happen. No extra coat, no coin,no scrip, no bread. A lot of people will say, oh thats works, i say no it's not it's doing what the father leads me to do. As for going to a certain persons house, if the Lord leads me thats where i go.
Therefore work hard to enter his rest soypou can then rest from your works as God has already rested from God's
Hebrews 3:16-19
16 For who, having heard, rebelled? Indeed, was it not all who came out of Egypt, led by Moses? 17 Now with whom was He angry forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose corpses fell in the wilderness? 18 And to whom did He swear that they would not enter His rest, but to those who did not obey? 19 So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.
Hebrews 4:1-3
Therefore, since a promise remains of entering His rest, let us fear lest any of you seem to have come short of it. 2 For indeed the gospel was preached to us as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in those who heard it. 3 For we who have believed do enter that rest, as He has said:
In the Old Covenant Testament those that did not believe never entered his rest today those that believe are entering and have entered his rest
Hebrews 4:11-13
11 Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest, lest anyone fall according to the same example of disobedience. 12 For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13 And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are naked and open to the eyes of Him to whom we must give account.
Hebrews 3:16-19
16 For who, having heard, rebelled? Indeed, was it not all who came out of Egypt, led by Moses? 17 Now with whom was He angry forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose corpses fell in the wilderness? 18 And to whom did He swear that they would not enter His rest, but to those who did not obey? 19 So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.
Hebrews 4:1-3
Therefore, since a promise remains of entering His rest, let us fear lest any of you seem to have come short of it. 2 For indeed the gospel was preached to us as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in those who heard it. 3 For we who have believed do enter that rest, as He has said:
In the Old Covenant Testament those that did not believe never entered his rest today those that believe are entering and have entered his rest
Hebrews 4:11-13
11 Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest, lest anyone fall according to the same example of disobedience. 12 For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13 And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are naked and open to the eyes of Him to whom we must give account.
You mis understand me, you are a believer right? Then you are sanctified, justified andforever Holy from God the Father's standpoint in Christ Jesus and please come and ne a fly on my wall I ahve nothing anylonger to hide from behind closed doors. I used to. I searched truth out for years, I tried the work for my salvation and failed miserably, I tried well I am forgiven i can sin and God will just forgive me, for he has at the cross done so before I was ever born, that did not work either. Then I came to the end of the energy of my own flesh and gaved upyelling I can't do this, I am no good I can't stopsinning even when I stopped trying to stop I still sin I quit,mad as could be, ever felt this way any of you reading here? That kis when I heard God tell me thank you I have been waiting for you to give up all of you, now let meteach you how to say no to unrighteousness. The Journey since has not been easy, but I finally entered into his rest and am forever greatful, he has taken it all away and I am back alive in him.I have been stripped clean down to the bone like Paul who was Saul Phillipians 3:7-11
7 But what things were gain to me, these I have counted loss for Christ. 8 Yet indeed I also count all things loss for the excellence of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them as rubbish, that I may gain Christ 9 and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith; 10 that I may know Him and the power of His resurrection, and the fellowship of His sufferings, being conformed to His death, 11 if, by any means, I may attain to the resurrection from the dead.
I have as Paul has, as all the OldTestament Saints have, and whoever God will as well as God foreknows who will come to him by faith and rest as God is rested already and who won't. I just know what i have to proclaim in him and his finished work that is in me from him 1 John 3:1-3
3 Behold what manner of love the Father has bestowed on us, that we should be called children of God![a] Therefore the world does not know us, because it did not know Him. 2 Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is. 3 And everyone who has this hope in Him purifies himself, just as He is pure.
Verse 3 is the point I am making I am complete in him by belief in him Christ, one purifies himself and is pure once he sees from God's side God already made him pure. This is for you and all the world just stop working for it
7 But what things were gain to me, these I have counted loss for Christ. 8 Yet indeed I also count all things loss for the excellence of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them as rubbish, that I may gain Christ 9 and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith; 10 that I may know Him and the power of His resurrection, and the fellowship of His sufferings, being conformed to His death, 11 if, by any means, I may attain to the resurrection from the dead.
I have as Paul has, as all the OldTestament Saints have, and whoever God will as well as God foreknows who will come to him by faith and rest as God is rested already and who won't. I just know what i have to proclaim in him and his finished work that is in me from him 1 John 3:1-3
3 Behold what manner of love the Father has bestowed on us, that we should be called children of God![a] Therefore the world does not know us, because it did not know Him. 2 Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is. 3 And everyone who has this hope in Him purifies himself, just as He is pure.
Verse 3 is the point I am making I am complete in him by belief in him Christ, one purifies himself and is pure once he sees from God's side God already made him pure. This is for you and all the world just stop working for it