An Analysis on the 144,000 in Revelation

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You know what the laying of hands is? It is in the image of Gods covenant which he made with us.Your left hand is the old covenant and the right hand is the new.
First,they got convicted of their sins right? through the spirit and the water.
When they believed in Jesus,they received the Holy Spirit on the cross afterwards in the book of Acts.
The Apostles had the laying of hands because they are first fruits.You to can do this if you keep his words and covenants.A solo person can also be saved if they are convicted of their sins and ask for forgiveness.

Look at your hands.ten,for the ten commandments.Two thumbs in the image of the covenants.
Take your hands with your fingers intertwined together, and your thumbs side by side in prayer.Theres our rock with the covenants.
Now, open them,and place your fingers together and touch your palms together with your thumbs side by side in prayer.There's the Dove of peace with the covenants.
Now, hold both hands out. With your left hand form a fist with your thumb in side it.
And with your right,place your fingers together, palm facing you,with your thumb in the palm of your hand.
That is the rock and dove holding the covenants in their heart.
Do you do good works with your hands and bare good fruit?

Where's the new commandment Jesus gave us? It's in your heart, and you proclaim the kingdom of God with a tongue of fire to the dead with it.

Look at your feet. Ten for the commandments.Two big toes in the image of the covenants.Place them together.There's Noahs Ark.
Now walk on water.Walk with God.

Think about what I just told you real hard for awhile.I cried when the thought hit me,this morning,waking up. For the first time in years I cried. God wants spiritual People.Read his words.Pray on it.When you get to the point where all's you can think about is God. ask him, "who are you? please, God,I want to know you for who you really are" .
I don't mean to be judgmental.Let that fire in you burn into a inferno. Love you all.God is everywhere, and he is forever great and should be praised forever, and ever.Amen.
One more.Picture Jesus on the cross.His feet are making the sign of Noah's Ark and his arms are stretched out with his head tilted to the right,Symbolizing the cross over from the old to the new covenant.
Maybe some people actually paint pictures like this,with his head tilted up.
 
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I already explained it. Not with thought (as you are doing here, but with the bible)

That is what i made you go against.

But what is appalling, is the devil wanted to purchase the gift.

And you in league with showcasing THAT perversion of the GIFT OF GOD, by ascribing evil and error to the FACT, that in acts the BAPTISM in the Holy Spirit. Was given through the laying on of hands.
No you didn't. You were spreading a charismatic heresy. Here is it again, Acts 8:18-20.

"And when Simon saw that through the laying on of the apostles’ hands the Holy Spirit was given, he offered them money, saying, “Give me this power also, that anyone on whom I lay hands may receive the Holy Spirit.” But Peter said to him, “Your money perish with you, because you thought that the gift of God could be purchased with money! "

Keep barking like a dog and shouting to the top of your lungs with your heresy, you ain't gonna change what the Scripture says.
 
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You know what the laying of hands is? It is in the image of Gods covenant which he made with us.Your left hand is the old covenant and the right hand is the new.
First,they got convicted of their sins right? through the spirit and the water.
When they believed in Jesus,they received the Holy Spirit on the cross afterwards in the book of Acts.
The Apostles had the laying of hands because they are first fruits.You to can do this if you keep his words and covenants.A solo person can also be saved if they are convicted of their sins and ask for forgiveness.

Look at your hands.ten,for the ten commandments.Two thumbs in the image of the covenants.
Take your hands with your fingers intertwined together, and your thumbs side by side in prayer.Theres our rock with the covenants.
Now, open them,and place your fingers together and touch your palms together with your thumbs side by side in prayer.There's the Dove of peace with the covenants.
Now, hold both hands out. With your left hand form a fist with your thumb in side it.
And with your right,place your fingers together, palm facing you,with your thumb in the palm of your hand.
That is the rock and dove holding the covenants in their heart.
Do you do good works with your hands and bare good fruit?

Where's the new commandment Jesus gave us? It's in your heart, and you proclaim the kingdom of God with a tongue of fire to the dead with it.

Look at your feet. Ten for the commandments.Two big toes in the image of the covenants.Place them together.There's Noahs Ark.
Now walk on water.Walk with God.

Think about what I just told you real hard for awhile.I cried when the thought hit me,this morning,waking up. For the first time in years I cried. God wants spiritual People.Read his words.Pray on it.When you get to the point where all's you can think about is God. ask him, "who are you? please, God,I want to know you for who you really are" .
I don't mean to be judgmental.Let that fire in you burn into a inferno. Love you all.God is everywhere, and he is forever great and should be praised forever, and ever.Amen.
Forget about the confusing term "laying of hand". You do know that this term could also mean violent assault or sexual assault, right? As in "punching" or "groping"?
 
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I'm pretty sure I know exactly where I stand. But I'll take a look at your questions.


Wrong. "raised in glory" ONLY applies to the saved. Obviously NOT the unsaved. Which I've been saying all along.

Blue words refer only to the saved, at their resurrection.
Red words refer only to the unsaved, at their resurrection.



Wrong again. Where did you get this idea from any of my posts?

Red words refer to the fact that the physical body will not inherit an imperishable body. No big shock here.

The blue words AGAIN refer to the unsaved in their resurrection.


So you think I have communicated diametrically opposed ideas??? Get real.

What verse did you find the red words?

Blue words refer to the future glorified body.


I'm not worried one bit about that. I know what the Bible says, and it is clear that you do NOT know what I think.

I've NEVER made diametrically opposed statements, as you are claiming.

If you can find the post(s) where you got your ideas from, please share.

I think it is clear that you STILL have no handle on what happens when people die, whether saved or unsaved.
ISN'T THAT THE BEST PART? WE WILL KNOW FOR SURE SOON ENOUGH
 
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One more.Picture Jesus on the cross.His feet are making the sign of Noah's Ark and his arms are stretched out with his head tilted to the right,Symbolizing the cross over from the old to the new covenant.
Maybe some people actually paint pictures like this,with his head tilted up.
That is substitutionary atonement. He who had NO sin became sin and died for us.
 

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That is substitutionary atonement. He who had NO sin became sin and died for us.

He didn't "become sin". He became the sin-sacrifice.

2Co_5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.


Christ wasn't "made sin" he was made to be the sin sacrifice. That's what Paul means and this same thing is used in the OT, "sin" being shorthand of "sin offering".

Lev 4:29 And he shall lay his hand upon the head of the sin offering, and slay the sin offering in the place of the burnt offering.

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chat?t?a^'a^h chat?t?a^'th
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From H2398; an offence (sometimes habitual sinfulness), and its penalty, occasion, sacrifice, or expiation; also (concretely) an offender: - punishment (of sin), purifying (-fication for sin), sin (-ner, offering).


Here "sin offering" is actually just one word that means sin, but it is meant to be understood as the offering for sin not sin itself and Paul being Jewish would know and use shorthand way of speaking of the offering for sin.


The verse should be understood as "For he hath made him to be a sin offering for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him."

(TLV) He made the One who knew no sin to become a sin offering on our behalf, so that in Him we might become the righteousness of God.

(Williams) He made Him who personally knew nothing of sin to be a sin-offering for us, so that through union with Him we might come into right standing with God.

Barnes:

2 Corinthians 5:21

For he hath made him to be sin for us - The Greek here is, ‘for him who knew no sin, he hath made sin, or a sin-offering for us.’


Clarke:

2 Corinthians 5:21

For he hath made him to be sin for us - He made him who knew no sin, (who was innocent), a sin-offering for us.



Matthew Henry:

He was made sin; not a sinner, but sin, that is, a sin-offering, a sacrifice for sin.
 
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He didn't "become sin". He became the sin-sacrifice.

2Co_5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.


Christ wasn't "made sin" he was made to be the sin sacrifice. That's what Paul means and this same thing is used in the OT, "sin" being shorthand of "sin offering".

Lev 4:29 And he shall lay his hand upon the head of the sin offering, and slay the sin offering in the place of the burnt offering.

H2403
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chat?t?a^'a^h chat?t?a^'th
khat-taw-aw', khat-tawth'
From H2398; an offence (sometimes habitual sinfulness), and its penalty, occasion, sacrifice, or expiation; also (concretely) an offender: - punishment (of sin), purifying (-fication for sin), sin (-ner, offering).


Here "sin offering" is actually just one word that means sin, but it is meant to be understood as the offering for sin not sin itself and Paul being Jewish would know and use shorthand way of speaking of the offering for sin.


The verse should be understood as "For he hath made him to be a sin offering for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him."

(TLV) He made the One who knew no sin to become a sin offering on our behalf, so that in Him we might become the righteousness of God.

(Williams) He made Him who personally knew nothing of sin to be a sin-offering for us, so that through union with Him we might come into right standing with God.

Barnes:

2 Corinthians 5:21

For he hath made him to be sin for us - The Greek here is, ‘for him who knew no sin, he hath made sin, or a sin-offering for us.’


Clarke:

2 Corinthians 5:21

For he hath made him to be sin for us - He made him who knew no sin, (who was innocent), a sin-offering for us.



Matthew Henry:

He was made sin; not a sinner, but sin, that is, a sin-offering, a sacrifice for sin.
Yes He did. "As Moses lifted the serpent in the desert, so must the Son of Man be lifted up." Serpent was the symbol of Satan. God used fiery serpents to discipline disobedient Israelites in the wilderness. When Moses hanged a bronze serpent on the pole, that was the embodiment of sin being crucified on the cross, and whoever looked at it might be saved. And then Jesus compared himself with that serpent rather than anything or anybody else, because that symbolizes our old self being crucified on the cross with Christ (Gal. 2:20).
 

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I already proved he did not "become sin" You didn't even study what the words even mean so I had to post it for you to read. Doesn't look like you even bothered to read my post.
 
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I already proved he did not "become sin" You didn't even study what the words even mean so I had to post it for you to read. Doesn't look like you even bothered to read my post.
Neither did you bother to read mine. The purpose of animal sacrifice was to transfer sin onto the sinless animal, aka, "lamb without blemish". That's why "He who knew no sin" was made to be sin for us. However, animal sacrifice only temporarily covered sin, Jesus's crucifixion paid for the penalty of sin once for all, for the weight of sin from all mankind was laid on Him. That's physically true, as the victim of crucifixion was crushed by their own weight and suffocated to death..
 

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Neither did you bother to read mine. The purpose of animal sacrifice was to transfer sin onto the sinless animal, aka, "lamb without blemish". That's why "He who knew no sin" was made to be sin for us.

He was not made sin. He was made the sin offering. The Messiah is not sin!!
 
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He was not made sin. He was made the sin offering. The Messiah is not sin!!
No he wasn't, but the weight of all sins - past, present and future sins - were laid upon Him. "Behold, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!" (John 1:29) And how did He take away the sin of the world? By BECOMING sin. All the sins were transferred onto the sin offering. Without that His crucifixion would be in vain.
 

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No he wasn't, but the weight of all sins - past, present and future sins - were laid upon Him.

Sin doesn't weigh anything. It's intangible. Sin is only symbolically placed upon a sin sacrifice. What happens is the sacrifice is slain, and God forgave the sins. At the cross Christ was slain, which allowed people anywhere and at any period of time in the future to repent and receive forgiveness.
 
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Sin doesn't weigh anything. It's intangible. Sin is only symbolically placed upon a sin sacrifice. What happens is the sacrifice is slain, and God forgave the sins. At the cross Christ was slain, which allowed people anywhere and at any period of time in the future to repent and receive forgiveness.
Yes it did, I told you victims of crucifixion were crushed by their own weight. You don't believe me, do your own research. If that's still intangible for you, think about obesity. That's literal and physical weight of sin wrapped around our organs and weighing us down. Saying "sin doesn't weigh anything" is trivializing the gravity of sin. God didn't just forgive, a PRICE must be paid. "You were bought with a price," and that price was paid in full on the cross.
 

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None of that is imaginary, for the weight of sin is death. Not his own sin, for he had NONE, but OUR sins.

He died due to his torture and being nailed to the cross. Our sins did not cause him to suffocate.
 
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He died due to his torture and being nailed to the cross. Our sins did not cause him to suffocate.
We are all among the scoffers, our sins led Him to death, denial of that is denial of His sacrifice.

Playing word game ain’t gonna get you anywhere. Yes He WAS the ultimate sin offering - which was MADE sin, that’s why it’s called sin offering - an atonement for sin by taking the sin.
 
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