An LGBTQetc Matter

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resurrection33

resurrection33

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Delphinium said:
With all the hype these days about love is love, love trumps hate.. etc, with gays pushing their agenda to normalize their lifestyle, what do you think is the best way to react to those around you who are friends or family members who have opposite beliefs about the gay lifestyle?
Do you believe it is ok to be friends with, visit, hang out with friends or family members who are gay, and if so, do you talk about your beliefs if the subject comes up (without them asking your opinion) about gay marriage, gay adoption, etc. Or do you remain non-judgmental and just be an example of Christ-like love?
Or do you just avoid these relationships altogether?
What do you say to children, or grown children who now believe the worldly view that the gay lifestyle is normal, after being taught this in school and listening to peer influence?
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I am not all that social, so I only have to deal with it in my church. But it is a church issue. Sadly, my church conference is very liberal - our bishop is a lesbian. Our pastor used to say disturbing things once in a while in church, on this matter. I've fought it where I could, and our pastor has stopped saying disturbing things. And life goes on.
 
resurrection33

resurrection33

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Delphinium said:
With all the hype these days about love is love, love trumps hate.. etc, with gays pushing their agenda to normalize their lifestyle, what do you think is the best way to react to those around you who are friends or family members who have opposite beliefs about the gay lifestyle?
Do you believe it is ok to be friends with, visit, hang out with friends or family members who are gay, and if so, do you talk about your beliefs if the subject comes up (without them asking your opinion) about gay marriage, gay adoption, etc. Or do you remain non-judgmental and just be an example of Christ-like love?
Or do you just avoid these relationships altogether?
What do you say to children, or grown children who now believe the worldly view that the gay lifestyle is normal, after being taught this in school and listening to peer influence?
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resurrection33 said:
I am not all that social, so I only have to deal with it in my church. But it is a church issue. Sadly, my church conference is very liberal - our bishop is a lesbian. Our pastor used to say disturbing things once in a while in church, on this matter. I've fought it where I could, and our pastor has stopped saying disturbing things. And life goes on.
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Our pastor has us write down prayer requests each Sunday, which we turn in and he reads to the congregation. Not long ago I turned in a request stating: A prayer for our church, that we choose a culture of integrity, so we can all lift our heads high, rather than a culture of permissiveness. Our pastor has been reasonably well-behaved ever since.
 
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Meggido said:
James 1.13-16

[SUP]13 [/SUP]Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am being tempted by God”; for God cannot be tempted by evil, and He Himself does not tempt anyone. [SUP]14 [/SUP]But each one is tempted when he is carried away and enticed by his own lust. [SUP]15 [/SUP]Then when lust has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and when sin is accomplished, it brings forth death. [SUP]16 [/SUP]Do not be deceived, my beloved brethren.

2 cor 10.3-6
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war according to the flesh, [SUP]4 [/SUP]for the weapons of our warfare are not of the flesh, but divinely powerful for the destruction of fortresses. [SUP]5 [/SUP]We are destroying speculations and every lofty thing raised up against the knowledge of God, and we are taking every thought captive to the obedience of Christ, [SUP]6 [/SUP]and we are ready to punish all disobedience, whenever your obedience is complete.

A thought as shown above is not SIN unless it is acted upon in your heart.


I remember doing a church visit one Sunday and a woman walked in, of the world, and was wearing a low cut dress.

A deacon was next to me and the wise old Pastor of the church and the deacon said, That Jezebel should not be wearing that to church!
The wise old pastor replied, and the deacon should have renewed his mind against lusting over women in low cut dresses.
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Well i have given the thought that i have... You have rejected them and believe that thinking about it is not the same as doing it... I know one thing.. On the day of judgement i will stand there assured that i have not declared my sin thoughts to be ok.. I have aknowledged by sin thoughts to be sin and thanked Jesus for His atonement which covers them.. You can hold onto your position if you like.. Then you can debate things with God on the day of Judgement and hope that you where right..

For me i am covered 100% by the Blood of His atonement without a doubt. I have left nothing to chance..
 
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Meggido

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Adstar said:
Well i have given the thought that i have... You have rejected them and believe that thinking about it is not the same as doing it... I know one thing.. On the day of judgement i will stand there assured that i have not declared my sin thoughts to be ok.. I have aknowledged by sin thoughts to be sin and thanked Jesus for His atonement which covers them.. You can hold onto your position if you like.. Then you can debate things with God on the day of Judgement and hope that you where right..

For me i am covered 100% by the Blood of His atonement without a doubt. I have left nothing to chance..
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Never said any of this, get a new wine skin man it will help you.
 
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dcontroversal said:
Jetzt war das lustig wie HAHAHAH ;)
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Danke mein Herr


my German goes about this far....


PS; Sorry for the posts last week, I was reading most of yours wrong, my bad and I apologize.

We wont agree on evrything for sure, but essentials we are in agreement on.
 
dcontroversal

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Meggido said:
Danke mein Herr


my German goes about this far....


PS; Sorry for the posts last week, I was reading most of yours wrong, my bad and I apologize.

We wont agree on evrything for sure, but essentials we are in agreement on.
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No problem bro....and I apologize for being mouthy as well....all is good.....
 
CS1

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interesting prospective that have been said. do we have gay friends ? or friends who engage in homosexual activity? Do we have drunken friends ? Or friends who are drunk's ? Do we have addicted friends ? Or friend's who are addicted?


And if you accept your friend with what is sin can you show me where Jesus was around drunks, whores, crooks and did not Provide truth to them and say " Sin no more" ? Our Lord did eat with all sinners because HE loved them. And His Love for them was to set them free not leave them bound.

If a" friend" cannot tell you the truth about your sin, or how Christ has set him free from his sin.... that is no friend God would endorse nor is it What Christ did.
 
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What do you think?
 
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oldethennew

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I think that we must obey the scriptures, and love un-conditionally, but not
partake or act like we accept the lifestyle that they have chosen...for if they
truly care for us in their own way, then will always know that we Love them...
 
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As I see it, this question is an issue of whether you actually think it's a sin, and (assuming you do) whether you'd be brave enough to say so if the subject came up. I have personally watched several Christians try so hard to "love" a gay person that they let the person abuse, bully, and put down others, saying nothing to correct them because gays are unjudgeable. Instead of asking whether we are willing to be friends, the real question is if we are willing to say anything.
 
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oldethennew

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no real Christian assumes that the 'gay-life-style' is acceptable to Jesus or ourselves,
but, what we do assume, is that we Love as He has taught us to... -
we don't fight, we don't condemn, we don't hate, we don't demonstrate in any kind of
violence or disrespect in order to prove', for Jesus has already taken care of this...
 
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loveme1

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We have to look at our Messiah and how he reached out to the sinners.. we know all sin will be forgiven except for the unpardonable blasphemy.

The problem is the world is lawless and does not love the light but prefers darkness.

Those that Love the light are hated and accused of much for bearing the Truth.

Remember we have free will and can not cross the line and try to control others.. we certainly should not throw stones...

Love and Truth is what we have to work by.
 
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