ANALYZING Scofield

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Abiding

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Im sitting here wondering what benefit would there be to discredit someone
who teaches a pretrib rapture and a 1000 year kingdom?? What could
be their motive?

I do see the motive of the teaching it brought and how it brought about the
state of Israel. But i dont see the others motive. Jew haters i spose. haha

EG notice i seldom talk to you. Notice i just said you have to pick through
in research and get to the facts. You respond by saying im trusting what i read.
Its like talking to a wall.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Abiding said:
Im sitting here wondering what benefit would there be to discredit someone
who teaches a pretrib rapture and a 1000 year kingdom?? What could
be their motive?

I do see the motive of the teaching it brought and how it brought about the
state of Israel. But i dont see the others motive. Jew haters i spose. haha

EG notice i seldom talk to you. Notice i just said you have to pick through
in research and get to the facts. You respond by saying im trusting what i read.
Its like talking to a wall.
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No. I responded by saying I do not trust what I read. especially biased statements. Look at what zone posted earlier that was shown to be biased and in error. I had my but handed to me by red because I did not research it.

why do people always twist things??

what could be their motive? what is anyones motive? pride? I don;t want to be shown I am wrong. I have already been shown I was wrong once today. It sucks. That why I try to study.

I am wondering why it is so hard to believe? why would it matter if Christ came for 1000 years?? people will still reject him. People will still say he is not real. But imagine what it does. Who can stand in front of Chjrist and say, well if you were down there with us I would have believed. Really? I was there for 1000 years and many many did not believe. depart from me.

Seems to me god has not only saved us by his son, he is also taking away any excuses any man will have on judgment. day. And has been doing that for 6000 years.
 
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Abiding

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Ive posted stuff before i read it through, and it had error, it happens.
Doesnt mean ill intent. Because of that the real intent shouldnt be overlooked.

I dont know Darby, Scofield, nor do i care about their person. Nor do I care
about my pride, just to old to think im gona make through life without error.

Its ok EG these guys work have already bore fruit, the illegal state of Isreal
has been put in place. Now the big stuff can happen. It was predetermined anyway.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Abiding said:
Ive posted stuff before i read it through, and it had error, it happens.
Doesnt mean ill intent. Because of that the real intent shouldnt be overlooked.

I dont know Darby, Scofield, nor do i care about their person. Nor do I care
about my pride, just to old to think im gona make through life without error.

Its ok EG these guys work have already bore fruit, the illegal state of Isreal
has been put in place. Now the big stuff can happen. It was predetermined anyway.
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Illegal state? wow. Now the truth comes out :(

Israel will never be in peace until they repent. Anyone trying to force peace in the middle east does not know much about God and lev 26 or other passages such as romans 11. and they are waisting their time.

They might live there now. maybe even illegaly. not going there. But they will live in war iuntil they repent. Lev 26 still stands, and they are in sin. and because of it they are my enemy. But because of the election. i will not say a thing to mock or belittle them. Not opnly do we have the warning. But God says we are to love even our enemy. And I will obey God. whether it is against the jews. the communists or the socialists. or even my governemnt.
 
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Abiding

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Oh the 1000 year thing..What do you imagine Jesus will be thinking while the jews are over yonder
sacrificing animals, and doing festivals.
 
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Abiding

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eternally-gratefull said:

Illegal state? wow. Now the truth comes out :(

Israel will never be in peace until they repent. Anyone trying to force peace in the middle east does not know much about God and lev 26 or other passages such as romans 11. and they are waisting their time.

They might live there now. maybe even illegaly. not going there. But they will live in war iuntil they repent. Lev 26 still stands, and they are in sin. and because of it they are my enemy. But because of the election. i will not say a thing to mock or belittle them. Not opnly do we have the warning. But God says we are to love even our enemy. And I will obey God. whether it is against the jews. the communists or the socialists. or even my governemnt.
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EG your funny. Did you not ever study the origin of the state of Israel? Did you figure it was biased?
Haha wish you could hear what alot of the Torah observing jews say about Israel the zionists, and the talmud.
Those jews probably are antisemetic. :)
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Abiding said:
Oh the 1000 year thing..What do you imagine Jesus will be thinking while the jews are over yonder
sacrificing animals, and doing festivals.
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Well lets see. Since according to daniel prophesy the end of sin has taken place, and they are no longer playing the harlot. and Paul in romans 11. Israels blindness is removed and "all isreal is saved. and as exek says they have been returned to their land BECAUSE they repented. I guess they would not be doing that now would they?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Strangelove said:
By repent, do you mean believe in the Messiah and Lord Jesus Christ? Who is God?
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what else would they repent of? What is it thet the gentiles have been given, but they have been blinded until the time of the gentiles is complete?
 
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Abiding

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your mixing context with time of the gentiles and fulness of the gentiles.
your not understanding what eternal, and everlasting means.
And keep saying the Abrahamic covenant wasnt conditional , when Genesis points
out it surely was. The children of Israel and Moses were not allowed into canaan to prove it,
the diasporas to add more, and 70ad was a tad noticable.

Jesus said many times He would have gathered them, but THEY wouldnt...so their house was left desolate, Capoot, finito.
So reread Gen 17 since you dont like to make errors.
 
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Abiding

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Hey where did Scofield go? :)
 
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Abiding

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eternally-gratefull said:
Well lets see. Since according to daniel prophesy the end of sin has taken place, and they are no longer playing the harlot. and Paul in romans 11. Israels blindness is removed and "all isreal is saved. and as exek says they have been returned to their land BECAUSE they repented. I guess they would not be doing that now would they?
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Really every person ive ever heard reads OT prophecies about the Millinium reads the ones with animal sacrifices
festivals, and kids playing with snakes, and lambs and wolfs being cozy.
 
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Abiding

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thats all literal right?
 
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Abiding

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Dont answer, that was just trash, even tho the verses they give for the 1000 yrs has that in it
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Abiding said:
your mixing context with time of the gentiles and fulness of the gentiles.
your not understanding what eternal, and everlasting means.
And keep saying the Abrahamic covenant wasnt conditional , when Genesis points
out it surely was. The children of Israel and Moses were not allowed into canaan to prove it,
the diasporas to add more, and 70ad was a tad noticable.

Jesus said many times He would have gathered them, but THEY wouldnt...so their house was left desolate, Capoot, finito.
So reread Gen 17 since you dont like to make errors.
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ok abiding. I am going to help you here with a history lesson.

In abrahams day in his hometowm. When two men made a covenant with each other. they took a three-year-old heifer, a three-year-old female goat, a three-year-old ram, a turtledove, and a young pigeon.” 10 Then he brought all these to Him and cut them in two, down the middle, and placed each piece opposite the other. The two men walked in the middle, it was the sign of the covenant. God used something Abraham know to make this covenant with him. And he also wanted to prove a point.

In a two way covenant, when one person breaks the agreement, the covenant is null and void. it is dependent on both parties to keep the promise (like the mosaic covenant.) As you see. Abraham did not walk in the middle with God. God prevented him from doing so.

1 After these things the word of the LORD came to Abram in a vision, saying, “Do not be afraid, Abram. I am your shield, your exceedingly great reward.”
2 But Abram said, “Lord GOD, what will You give me, seeing I go childless, and the heir of my house is Eliezer of Damascus?” 3 Then Abram said, “Look, You have given me no offspring; indeed one born in my house is my heir!”
4 And behold, the word of the LORD came to him, saying, “This one shall not be your heir, but one who will come from your own body shall be your heir.” 5 Then He brought him outside and said, “Look now toward heaven, and count the stars if you are able to number them.” And He said to him, “So shall your descendants be.”
6 And he believed in the LORD, and He accounted it to him for righteousness.
7 Then He said to him, “I am the LORD, who brought you out of Ur of the Chaldeans, to give you this land to inherit it.”
8 And he said, “Lord GOD, how shall I know that I will inherit it?”
9 So He said to him, “Bring Me a three-year-old heifer, a three-year-old female goat, a three-year-old ram, a turtledove, and a young pigeon.” 10 Then he brought all these to Him and cut them in two, down the middle, and placed each piece opposite the other; but he did not cut the birds in two. 11 And when the vultures came down on the carcasses, Abram drove them away.
12 Now when the sun was going down, a deep sleep fell upon Abram; and behold, horror and great darkness fell upon him. 13 Then He said to Abram: “Know certainly that your descendants will be strangers in a land that is not theirs, and will serve them, and they will afflict them four hundred years. 14 And also the nation whom they serve I will judge; afterward they shall come out with great possessions. 15 Now as for you, you shall go to your fathers in peace; you shall be buried at a good old age. 16 But in the fourth generation they shall return here, for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet complete.”
17 And it came to pass, when the sun went down and it was dark, that behold, there appeared a smoking oven and a burning torch that passed between those pieces. 18 On the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying:
“To your descendants I have given this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the River Euphrates— 19 the Kenites, the Kenezzites, the Kadmonites, 20 the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Rephaim, 21 the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Girga****es, and the Jebusites.”

This was NOT a conditional covenant my friend!
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Abiding said:
Really every person ive ever heard reads OT prophecies about the Millinium reads the ones with animal sacrifices
festivals, and kids playing with snakes, and lambs and wolfs being cozy.
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Really. I never read a thing about animal sacrifice in the meliinial reign. can you show me some verses?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Abiding said:
Dont answer, that was just trash, even tho the verses they give for the 1000 yrs has that in it
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I would still like to see these verses. I am looking for truth. and if they do not have truth it needs exposed. right??
 
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Scotth1960

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Dear Zone, Please see: Cox, William E. Why I Left Scofieldism. Phillipsburg, NJ: Presbyterian & Reformed Publishing Company.

Canfield, Joseph M. The Incredible Scofield and His Book. Vallecito, CA: Ross House Books.

In Erie Scott R. Harrington


zone said:
ANALYZING
Scofield​

WHY WE PUBLISHED THIS BOOK​

After sixty-five years of ordained ministry and studying and teaching the Scriptures around the world, I am convinced that C. I. Scofield was taken in by an immense deception that he unwittingly believed and included in his Bible notes to the detriment of all who believe in them.​

If the Church is to be built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets with Jesus Christ the Chief Cornerstone, then the presumptions and errors of the Scofield Reference Bible must be exposed. We are not his judge. But concerning the Scriptures, we are compelled to judge, 1Th 5:21. We are publishing this booklet that others might be able to know the facts as we have found them to be.
C.G.W.
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TABLE OF CONTENTS​

THE STORY OF SCOFIELD'S LIFE
SCOFIELD NOTES ANSWERED
DANIEL'S 70 WEEKS
THE REAL ISRAEL
ORIGIN OF SCOFIELD HERESIES
Scriptures quoted from KJV
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When Albertus Pieters wrote about the Scofield Bible in 1938, he said it was one of the most dangerous books on the market.


[SIZE=+2]SCOFIELD'S BASIC ERRORS[/SIZE]

1. He disregards the witness, the doctrines and the examples of interpretation of the Old Testament that are given us by the apostles in the New Testament.

2. He usurps apostolic authority by contradicting their clear teaching and so setting himself above them.

3. He makes false statements exactly opposite to known facts to support his false doctrines.

4. The greatest reigning error of this century is his teaching that promises a millennial kingdom on the earth after Christ returns for his church. (cf. Ro 8:18-23.)

5. That the church was not foreseen and that the prophets never prophesy of the church. (Isa 54:1; Hos 1:9-10; 2:23; Gal 4:2130; Ro 9:22-26 and 1Pe 2:9-10.)

http://www.gospeltruth.net/scofield.htm
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