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Would it be accurate to describe the Big Bang, or rather the hypothesis of the Primordial Atom published by Monsignor Georges Lemaitre, as the idea that the universe originated from a primordial atom in hyper-condensed state that in the beginning expanded outward forming the our known and observed universe.
So if all the space, matter and energy in our universe were in such a highly condensed state that the forces within reached the point where they were greater than the forces from without that were condensing them, then what was the source of the external force that condensed all the space, matter and energy initially?
So if matter can neither be created nor destroyed then can you explain how matter had a beginning?
So if all the space, matter and energy in our universe were in such a highly condensed state that the forces within reached the point where they were greater than the forces from without that were condensing them, then what was the source of the external force that condensed all the space, matter and energy initially?
So if matter can neither be created nor destroyed then can you explain how matter had a beginning?
This first Light is Jesus. "I Am the Bright and Morning Star, the alpha and omega, the beginning (Genesis "In the beginning...) and the end (Revelation)." (The Word of God). "Before Abraham was, I AM." "All the fullness of the Father is in the Son." - That's what "father" means- having offspring. First there is a father, then a son. "He was pleased to have all His fullness dwell in Him." All His fullness dwelt in Him because He was not the offspring of a father and mother- just of a father- so all, completely of the father.
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First, I do not think Gen 1 was ever meant to be "accurate description of the Big Bang and the planet evolution". It is not a scientific book.
I think it is a dramatic expression of what happened, made fit into 6 cycles so that the 7 days week together with the Sabbath, already present in the Jewish culture, get another theological meaning.
The Big Bang is a description of what happened from the first event in the universe. Science can not go behind the beginning, there is no way how. Only theories.
I believe that the initial highly condensed state was created by God, as well as all the following processes leading to the glorious eternity. Details are not so important now, even though interesting, indeed.
I think it is a dramatic expression of what happened, made fit into 6 cycles so that the 7 days week together with the Sabbath, already present in the Jewish culture, get another theological meaning.
The Big Bang is a description of what happened from the first event in the universe. Science can not go behind the beginning, there is no way how. Only theories.
I believe that the initial highly condensed state was created by God, as well as all the following processes leading to the glorious eternity. Details are not so important now, even though interesting, indeed.
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Many atheist scientists now question the Big Bang theory.
Big Bang Theory Busted By 33 Top Scientists
Problems with the Big Bang Theory - How the Big Bang Theory Works | HowStuffWorks
Quantum Equations Suggest Big Bang Never Happened | IFLScience
As a Christian I would rather trust God's account of what happened, than an ever
changing man made theory. It's worrying when Christians try to fit an ever changing
man made theory into Genesis 1 & 2 like a miss matched jigsaw puzzle.
Its also worrying when Christian don't realise the Big Bang is just a scientific theory but
they treat is as a fact to explain Genesis, especially when atheist scientists don't even
treat it as a fact.
Just saying.
Big Bang Theory Busted By 33 Top Scientists
Problems with the Big Bang Theory - How the Big Bang Theory Works | HowStuffWorks
Quantum Equations Suggest Big Bang Never Happened | IFLScience
As a Christian I would rather trust God's account of what happened, than an ever
changing man made theory. It's worrying when Christians try to fit an ever changing
man made theory into Genesis 1 & 2 like a miss matched jigsaw puzzle.
Its also worrying when Christian don't realise the Big Bang is just a scientific theory but
they treat is as a fact to explain Genesis, especially when atheist scientists don't even
treat it as a fact.
Just saying.
Again and again and again. The word "theory" in science has a different meaning from the word "theory"in a common language.
Scientific theory is proved, it only differs from the scientific law by the length of explanation. Laws are one or two sentences, theories are more complex systems.
If you want the scientific term equivalent to "theory" in common language, it would be a scientific hypothesis.
And you are right that atheists try to attack the Big Bang theory. They do not like the idea that the Universe, time, space etc had a beginning. Its not only "now", it is from the 70's and 80's. But there is so much evidence that the scientific community had to accept this fact.
Scientific theory is proved, it only differs from the scientific law by the length of explanation. Laws are one or two sentences, theories are more complex systems.
If you want the scientific term equivalent to "theory" in common language, it would be a scientific hypothesis.
And you are right that atheists try to attack the Big Bang theory. They do not like the idea that the Universe, time, space etc had a beginning. Its not only "now", it is from the 70's and 80's. But there is so much evidence that the scientific community had to accept this fact.
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So if Genesis 1 was never meant to be an "accurate description", and I do believe that when you read the way that your "quote" might be perceived as suggesting that Genesis 1 isn't accurate, that you might respond that wouldn't represent an "accurate description" of what you were saying.
Of course I could be wrong and you might have meant the contrary, but would I be wrong if I said that you were trying to tell us that Genesis 1 was not meant to describe the events in their entirety.
Now as far as the Bible being a scientific book, it is the BOOK that all books evolved from, including the science books.
So how many hours in the day?
So how can there be a beginning of the universe if all the space, time, energy already existed at the time of the Big Bang. Since everything in the world was already in existence, which is the only plausible explanation if energy and matter can not be created nor destroyed. So the Big Bang actually contradicts Genesis 1:1 that states in the beginning that all space and matter was created by the Invisible Light made in the image of the eternal God.
That is a very interesting scientific position but in the day of Judgment will the details matter?
Of course I could be wrong and you might have meant the contrary, but would I be wrong if I said that you were trying to tell us that Genesis 1 was not meant to describe the events in their entirety.
Now as far as the Bible being a scientific book, it is the BOOK that all books evolved from, including the science books.
So how many hours in the day?
In the Gospel of John there is a passage in which Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk inthe day,
he stumbles not, because he seeth the light of this world. But if a man walk in the night, he stumbles, because he doesn't know about the Circle of Illumination that science figured out all by itself because Jesus wasn't a science teacher?Maybe I was a little over dramatic in my expression of what happened but that is the reason I pointed to John 3:12 wherein it
is written, "If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?"So how can there be a beginning of the universe if all the space, time, energy already existed at the time of the Big Bang. Since everything in the world was already in existence, which is the only plausible explanation if energy and matter can not be created nor destroyed. So the Big Bang actually contradicts Genesis 1:1 that states in the beginning that all space and matter was created by the Invisible Light made in the image of the eternal God.
That is a very interesting scientific position but in the day of Judgment will the details matter?
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So if Genesis 1 was never meant to be an "accurate description", and I do believe that when you read the way that your "quote" might be perceived as suggesting that Genesis 1 isn't accurate, that you might respond that wouldn't represent an "accurate description" of what you were saying.
Of course I could be wrong and you might have meant the contrary, but would I be wrong if I said that you were trying to tell us that Genesis 1 was not meant to describe the events in their entirety.
Now as far as the Bible being a scientific book, it is the BOOK that all books evolved from, including the science books.
So how many hours in the day?
So how can there be a beginning of the universe if all the space, time, energy already existed at the time of the Big Bang. Since everything in the world was already in existence, which is the only plausible explanation if energy and matter can not be created nor destroyed. So the Big Bang actually contradicts Genesis 1:1 that states in the beginning that all space and matter was created by the Invisible Light made in the image of the eternal God.
That is a very interesting scientific position but in the day of Judgment will the details matter?
Of course I could be wrong and you might have meant the contrary, but would I be wrong if I said that you were trying to tell us that Genesis 1 was not meant to describe the events in their entirety.
Now as far as the Bible being a scientific book, it is the BOOK that all books evolved from, including the science books.
So how many hours in the day?
In the Gospel of John there is a passage in which Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk inthe day,
he stumbles not, because he seeth the light of this world. But if a man walk in the night, he stumbles, because he doesn't know about the Circle of Illumination that science figured out all by itself because Jesus wasn't a science teacher?Maybe I was a little over dramatic in my expression of what happened but that is the reason I pointed to John 3:12 wherein it
is written, "If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?"So how can there be a beginning of the universe if all the space, time, energy already existed at the time of the Big Bang. Since everything in the world was already in existence, which is the only plausible explanation if energy and matter can not be created nor destroyed. So the Big Bang actually contradicts Genesis 1:1 that states in the beginning that all space and matter was created by the Invisible Light made in the image of the eternal God.
That is a very interesting scientific position but in the day of Judgment will the details matter?
But as I demonstrated, it is still a valid description, corresponding very well with the reality. No other religious book got is right, only the Bible did.
No, Bible is not a book that all other books evolved from. Why do you even think so? Roman empire was not the whole world.
I still do not understand what you are saying about Jesus.
Energy cannot be destroyed in our universe. The laws of our universe do not apply to what was before our universe.
And no, the details of cosmology will not matter in the Judgment days
Our works will. And our salvation.
I guess my mind ran ahead with that doctrine. So sorry.
Shocked by my own imagination! It didn't really make sense to me that you would think that anyway.
Shocked by my own imagination! It didn't really make sense to me that you would think that anyway.
He's the first begotten of God. Beyond this, I have no answer. Except I don't see Him as the light in Genesis. My thought is if Jesus ever had a beginning...it would have to be the first time Father spoke. Unless Let there be light was the first time. Now that's a new thought that just occurred to me.
I don't think I am suggesting he isn't fully human/ fully God Penned.
I'ts odd that I could dispute my own thought while I am typing it out, but it's not the first time this has happened.
I don't think I am suggesting he isn't fully human/ fully God Penned.
I'ts odd that I could dispute my own thought while I am typing it out, but it's not the first time this has happened.
I know Messianic JEWISH Rabbi's that say the old oral tradition said , that God never said let there be light, he said LIGHT BE and light was, and that this light was in fact Messiah
Colossians 1.13-20
[h=3]The Incomparable Christ[/h][SUP]13 [/SUP]For He rescued us from the domain of darkness, and transferred us to the kingdom of His beloved Son, [SUP]14 [/SUP]in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.
[SUP]15[/SUP]He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. [SUP]16 [/SUP]For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him. [SUP]17 [/SUP]He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together. [SUP]18 [/SUP]He is also head of the body, the church; and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything. [SUP]19 [/SUP]For it was the Father’s good pleasure for all the fullness to dwell in Him, [SUP]20 [/SUP]and through Him to reconcile all things to Himself, having made peace through the blood of His cross; through Him, I say, whether things on earth or things in heaven.
Colossians 1.13-20
[h=3]The Incomparable Christ[/h][SUP]13 [/SUP]For He rescued us from the domain of darkness, and transferred us to the kingdom of His beloved Son, [SUP]14 [/SUP]in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.
[SUP]15[/SUP]He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. [SUP]16 [/SUP]For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him. [SUP]17 [/SUP]He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together. [SUP]18 [/SUP]He is also head of the body, the church; and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything. [SUP]19 [/SUP]For it was the Father’s good pleasure for all the fullness to dwell in Him, [SUP]20 [/SUP]and through Him to reconcile all things to Himself, having made peace through the blood of His cross; through Him, I say, whether things on earth or things in heaven.
The Bible says he was created:
Colossians 1.13-20
The Incomparable Christ
[SUP]13 [/SUP]For He rescued us from the domain of darkness, and transferred us to the kingdom of His beloved Son, [SUP]14 [/SUP]in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.
[SUP]15[/SUP]He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. [SUP]16 [/SUP]For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him. [SUP]17 [/SUP]He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together. [SUP]18 [/SUP]He is also head of the body, the church; and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything. [SUP]19 [/SUP]For it was the Father’s good pleasure for all the fullness to dwell in Him, [SUP]20 [/SUP]and through Him to reconcile all things to Himself, having made peace through the blood of His cross; through Him, I say, whether things on earth or things in heaven.