andrew wommack

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eternally-gratefull

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When you use YouTube as your authority, you cannot then insist on context. You've already been poisoned by the calculations of a person who has crafted a false message with a purpose to discredit another.

Here is your problem
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It was not a person on youtibe saying andrew said this or said that.

It was andrew himself.

so do you have proof or not? did he really mean something else? prove it.
 
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blatant heresies such as Wommacks dont mix with truth.
This is the kind of judgment that Jesus warns us about. It is based on ignorance of truth...hypocrisy. If you do not know the word, then you cannot despise those who teach it.
 
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Actually, I have very strong discernment, as well as the gift of discerning of spirits.
No humility here.. I think you just showed us all your a know it all. and we should disregaurd anything you say until you show proof.

God resists the proud, he gives mercy to the humble. don;;t be going to god anytime soon for mercy, You have to repent first.
 
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neither did I until today
Really, now. So you heard of Andrew Wommack only today, and based on one highly-edited YouTube snippet and the voices of a few dissenters, you now have spiritual wisdom enough to make a righteous assessment?
 
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well, yimminy crickets...I just said I DID go the source..look, it's my brother that got involved and I love him...but I am worried about him

Sorry....IMO, Wommack erects more red lights then not
Your brother is in a good place, ember. Listen to him and discover that for yourself. You are in a good place yourself, to be able to determine what is right.
 

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This is the kind of judgment that Jesus warns us about. It is based on ignorance of truth...hypocrisy. If you do not know the word, then you cannot despise those who teach it.
I know the Word. And we are to discern truth from error. Enough smoke from you.The video link please
 
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I did, I smiled as I wrote. Look, she has broadsided me several times with spit but no substance...typical cultists.
They'll defend the errors of their master by attacking instead of presenting a scriptural response.
LOL! "Cultists", you say? I am wiping the spit off my face right now.

My Master, Jesus, makes no errors.
 

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Duh, the place where He went was Hades, but the compartment of Hades where the righteous awaited their Messiah---also referred to in scripture as Abraham's Bosom. The bible still calls Hades hell. It is not the place of judgment, as that particular place is not open for business, yet.

Ephesians 4:9
[But He ascended?] Now what can this, He ascended, mean but that He had previously descended from [the heights of] heaven into [the depths], the lower parts of the earth?

In no way did Christ descend to hell/hades, call it what you will. Read the passage in context.

"Therefore it says,“When he ascended on high he led a host of captives,
and he gave gifts to men.”


9 (In saying, “He ascended,” what does it mean but that he had also descended into the lower regions, the earth? 10 He who descended is the one who also ascended far above all the heavens, that he might fill all things.) Eph. 4:8-10

It first talks about Christ ascending. Where did he ascend from? From the earth to heaven.

Then it talks about him descending. Where did he descend from? From heaven to the earth. This happened at the time of his incarnation.

It is talking about how Christ left his throne of glory and descended to the lower regions, which is THE EARTH. It is very clear if you read a decent translation and read it in context.

Scholars also propose that this passage could be talking about when Christ descended back to earth at Pentecost to give his gifts to the church. This makes sense, in light of the last line of verse 8 "he gave gifts to men." His descent was in the person of the Spirit.


Whichever case is right, Jesus did NOT descend to hell. On the cross when he died he said,

"Then Jesus, calling out with a loud voice, said, “Father, into your hands I commit my spirit!” And having said this he breathed his last." Luke 23:46

"It is finished!" John 19:30 Jesus died, did not go to hell/hades but went to be with the Father till the Resurrection.

 
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Kindly direct us to that same teaching in full.
Well...that should have been the first thing provided, rather than a hatchet job that was provided with an agenda.

Anyone who would search YouTube for an abomination to prove something, can use that same energy for good and find what you need. I have no idea where I can find that exact televised segment. You can try his website. There are countless written and audio teachings there. I'm not sure about videos.
 
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and again, you refuse to chasten your own people but judge others. this is hypicrocy. If your going to judge one, you better start judging the others, or your judgment is invalid.

It Gives God a bad name when we yell at people who do not agree with us for something, yet when our own people do the same thing (or worse) we do not say a word to them.
My own people? Not sure what you mean by that. I am a Christian and my people are other Christians. The only sides I know of is Us (Christians) against the powers of darkness. So since I am a Christian are you saying you are a member of the powers of darkness? Thought I was talking to a fellow believer.
 

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LOL! "Cultists", you say? I am wiping the spit off my face right now.

My Master, Jesus, makes no errors.
Wommack's Jesus sounds like a different Jesus to me...the link to the full sermon please.
 
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Those who pull the Christ-like card have carte blanche to say anything and call others anything they want. But if you do it, one who disagrees with them, you're not being Christ-like. Such stark hypocrisy, all sorts of venom coming out of people who accuse others of not being Christ-like. In other words, if it's you who call somebody a twit, you're not Christ-like. It's actually just a form of attacking the messenger, when they can't answer with truth, happens all the time when deceivers are called out.
The hypocrisy is in the agenda that has become the thrust of this entire thread. You don't throw out crap and hope it sticks. You need to produce a full teaching and then as Christians should, discuss it sanely.
 
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Holy imagination is used to bring about peace? Please show me that in the bible.
And please, if you're going to attempt to counter my proof then i'd like to see you acknowledge All of my post, not just the parts that you feel are easy to refute. How do you account for the obvious new age connection in his teaching and even some of his wording?
Key points in what he says
-'unlock the power of your imagination' - Please show me contextual scriptural evidence for this concept. I am already quite familiar with the new age aspect of this sort of teaching, though.

-That we have to 'meditate' to 'active the power of Gods word' - Again, show me contextual scriptural evidence for this. And again, i'm familiar with the new age school of this thought.

-'You have to see it on the inside before you can see it on the outside' - I, once more, would like to see contextual scriptural evidence for this. And, as before, i am aware of this method among new age teachings. Though, there, it is referred to as 'visualization'.

I also would like you to point me to the chapter where God tells Abraham to use his imagination.

So that is 4 requests for scripture. If you are not able to provide them then all of your defense of these new age teachings given under the guise of Christianity are invalid as you will have proven yourself to defend something that you have no foundation with which to defend it. Though, given what i've seen of your responses on this site, i expect a snide response and a refusal to provide what is required to maintain any sense of credibility for yourself.

Also on the Wommack table is his connection to Oral Roberts. And since you are quick to defend WoF cult teachers, we can also connect Oral Roberts to Rodney Howard-Browne, who was largely responsible for the blasphemous 'holy laughter' revivals.
[video=youtube;xCeVZ6e2T0E]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCeVZ6e2T0E[/video]
Yep, more alarmist propaganda. Fear and hatred rule the day, here, it seems. Yep...Ugly.
 

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Well...that should have been the first thing provided, rather than a hatchet job that was provided with an agenda.

Anyone who would search YouTube for an abomination to prove something, can use that same energy for good and find what you need. I have no idea where I can find that exact televised segment. You can try his website. There are countless written and audio teachings there. I'm not sure about videos.
I'll look for it perhaps tonight. I don't see how you can say that video was out of context if you never viewed the whole.
Oh, and it wasn't me who posted the video.
 
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and again, you refuse to chasten your own people but judge others. this is hypicrocy. If your going to judge one, you better start judging the others, or your judgment is invalid.

It Gives God a bad name when we yell at people who do not agree with us for something, yet when our own people do the same thing (or worse) we do not say a word to them.
"Your own people" vs "others"?? Wow.
 
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Then bring out the full sermon.
As I see it, no context will redeem his blasphemous statements such as...

At one minute 30 sec into the clip..
"God spoke Jesus into existence through a dozen possibly hundreds of people over a 4000 year period".

And while your at it answer Ugly please, he has asked twice.
Whichever poster is the one who made the poor choice to post the slanted video needs to go back and find the full teaching so we can all see the full context.
 

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Whichever poster is the one who made the poor choice to post the slanted video needs to go back and find the full teaching so we can all see the full context.
No. His words stand until YOU produce the video. I find it very hard to see how those words of Wommack's can be rectified in any full context.
Besides there are numerous other sites witnessing to his strange teachings. The video was out of the horses mouth.
 
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Really, now. So you heard of Andrew Wommack only today, and based on one highly-edited YouTube snippet and the voices of a few dissenters, you now have spiritual wisdom enough to make a righteous assessment?

I heard what HE SAID. all I can do is go off that

So do you have the teaching in context to prove I heard him wrong. prove you assertions.