Angel of the Lord

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oldhermit

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Can I ask a question while on the subject.

When the bible says The Lord. I assume this means Jesus.
see the following passages where Abraham sees three men and one appears
to be Jesus.

So what is the difference between “The Lord” and “The Angel of The Lord”.

Are they both the same or different.



Genesis 18:1-3 NKJV
[1] Then the LORD appeared to him by the terebinth trees
of Mamre, as he was sitting in the tent door in the heat
of the day. [2] So he lifted his eyes and looked, and
behold, three men were standing by him; and when
he saw them, he ran from the tent door to meet them, and
bowed himself to the ground, [3] and said, "My Lord, if I have
now found favor in Your sight, do not pass on by Your servant.
"The Angel of Jehovah" describes his function. Jesus always functions as the spokesman or messenger of the Triadic Unity.
 

bluto

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#42
Can I ask a question while on the subject.

When the bible says The Lord. I assume this means Jesus.
see the following passages where Abraham sees three men and one appears
to be Jesus.

So what is the difference between “The Lord” and “The Angel of The Lord”.

Are they both the same or different.



Genesis 18:1-3 NKJV
[1] Then the LORD appeared to him by the terebinth trees
of Mamre, as he was sitting in the tent door in the heat
of the day. [2] So he lifted his eyes and looked, and
behold, three men were standing by him; and when
he saw them, he ran from the tent door to meet them, and
bowed himself to the ground, [3] and said, "My Lord, if I have
now found favor in Your sight, do not pass on by Your servant.
And to add to what oldhermit stated. At Genesis 18:1 it explicitly states, "Now the Lord appeared to him by the oaks of Mamre, while he/Abraham was sitting in the tent door in the heat of the day." Notice at vs2 it says, "And when lifted up his eyes and looked, behold, three men were standing etc.

One was the Lord Jesus Christ and the other two were actual angels in the form of men. If you read the rest of the chapter you will see that God is going to destroy Sodom and Gonirrah and Abraham tries to intervine and talk God out of destroying the cities.

What is also interesting is that at Genesis 18:33, (the last verse in the chapter) it says, "An as soon as He, the angel of the Lord/God had finished speaking to Abraham the Lord departied, and Abraham returned to his place." Then at Genesis 19:1, "Now the TWO ANGELS came to Sodom in the evening as Lot was sitting etc.

One of the reasons that the Lord appeared physically can be found at Genesis 17:22 where God appeared to Abraham as well and when God is finished talking with Abraham it says at vs22, "And when He/God finished talking with him, God went up from Abraham." In other words, God went straight up north. Does this make sense to you miri. :eek:

IN THE ANGEL OF THE LORD,
bluto
 

bluto

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Mat_1:20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.
Mat_1:24 Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife:
Mat_2:13 And when they were departed, behold, the angel of the Lord appeareth to Joseph in a dream, saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and flee into Egypt, and be thou there until I bring thee word: for Herod will seek the young child to destroy him.
Mat_28:2 And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.
Luk_2:9 And, lo, the angel of the Lord came upon them, and the glory of the Lord shone round about them: and they were sore afraid.
Act_5:19 But the angel of the Lord by night opened the prison doors, and brought them forth, and said,
Act_8:26 And the angel of the Lord spake unto Philip, saying, Arise, and go toward the south unto the way that goeth down from Jerusalem unto Gaza, which is desert.
Act_12:7 And, behold, the angel of the Lord came upon him, and a light shined in the prison: and he smote Peter on the side, and raised him up, saying, Arise up quickly. And his chains fell off from his hands.
Act_12:23 And immediately the angel of the Lord smote him, because he gave not God the glory: and he was eaten of worms, and gave up the ghost.
Ok flyingdove, you did real well until you came to the New Testament. "THE" angel of the Lord "Never" appears in the New Testament as the angel of the Lord. He is mentioned as the angel of the Lord by Stephen at Acts 7.

If your using a KJB it does use the word "the" like for example at Acts 12:23, "the angel of the Lord etc. I happen to use the NASB and it uses the word, "an" angel of the Lord etc. Btw, I already explained one of my post the difference between the words "an/a" and the word "the." This is very important to know and understand the difference. You can look it up in a dictionary.

Now, here's the interesting part of all of this as it relates to the New Testament and the verses you quoted to support your contention that these verses are indeed refering to the angel of the Lord, or are they?

Matthew 1:20, "But when he/Joseph had considered this, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying Mary will have a baby etc. Your KJB uses the word, "the" meaning to you that this is the angel of the Lord. Now, look at what Luke 1:26 says about the same exact event. "Now in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God to a city in Galilee, called Nazareth, vs27, to a virgin engaged to a man named Joseph etc. Gabriel announces in the following verse that she will have a child and His name will be Jesus etc.

So you see, "THE" angel of the Lord is not in view in these text or anywhere else in the New Testament. And since "THE" angel of the Lord is the preincarnate Jesus Christ which has already been proves it would not make any sense for Him to be in the NT announcing His own birth. Does all of this seem logical and Biblical to you flyingdove? :eek:

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
 

Blik

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If you include books not accepted any more as scripture in the study of angels, here is what they tell us:

There are three classes of angels, Cherubim or Archangels, Seraphim, and teraphim. One third of the angels rebelled and are Devils. Demons are dead Nephilim who were the giants told of in scripture.

Michael, Gabriel, Raphael, and Uriel are the four Cherubim. Lucifer and The Angel of Death are the fallen Cherubim. The seraphim and teraphim are numerous.

Seraphim are the middle order and are Burning Ones or Healing Angels. They are the messengers traveling back and forth between heaven and earth doing God’s will. The Hebrew words telling of Jacob and the ladder suggests that these angels were what Jacob saw.

Teraphim is the lowest order, and this class of angels can take on human form. Their name means watchers, and they watch over us. When they are fallen, they are called idols. In Genesis 31:34 the Hebrew word translated as idols that Rachel took when they left Laban’s household was teraphim.
 

Nehemiah6

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It is unfortunate that tradition has labeled messenger = heavenly something.
Angels are in fact heavenly messengers sent from God to men. So you cannot exclude the heavenly aspect at all. And sometimes that message is death and destruction while at other times it is rescue from evil or danger.
 

Blik

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Angels are in fact heavenly messengers sent from God to men. So you cannot exclude the heavenly aspect at all. And sometimes that message is death and destruction while at other times it is rescue from evil or danger.
What is of death and destruction is of fallen angels or devils, not of angels working for the Lord. God can use what the devils do turning it to our good as was the case of using the death and destruction in Germany, resulting in the Jews returning to their homeland.

The very nature of God is for good. Angels work for the Lord.
 

oldhermit

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#47
What is of death and destruction is of fallen angels or devils, not of angels working for the Lord. God can use what the devils do turning it to our good as was the case of using the death and destruction in Germany, resulting in the Jews returning to their homeland.

The very nature of God is for good. Angels work for the Lord.
"Then it happened that night that the angel of the Jehovah went out and struck 185,000 in the camp of the Assyrians; and when men rose early in the morning, behold, all of them were dead." 2Kg 19:35

"But the donkey saw me and turned aside from me these three times. If she had not turned aside from me, I would surely have killed you just now, and let her live." Numbers 22:33
 

Nehemiah6

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What is of death and destruction is of fallen angels or devils, not of angels working for the Lord.
That is totally false. Please go back and study the matter properly.
 

Blik

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"Then it happened that night that the angel of the Jehovah went out and struck 185,000 in the camp of the Assyrians; and when men rose early in the morning, behold, all of them were dead." 2Kg 19:35

"But the donkey saw me and turned aside from me these three times. If she had not turned aside from me, I would surely have killed you just now, and let her live." Numbers 22:33
Yes, God protects us from the evil men such as the Assyrians. God gave the flood when those who were His could not manage the evil men. Hitler was not allowed to keep killing innocent people. We are instructed to kill dangerous people who are killers, not let them live to threaten God's people.