Angels can procreate

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iamsoandso

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Sure. But it was never revealed as Jesus nor was it revealed how it would transpire. Corrupting mankind, even if possible, would never have corrupted the seed of the woman because it was of God, not man.
Corrupting? Genesis 3:15 says God put enmity(strife,hatred) between their seed. They were not trying to corrupt it they were tying to mingle with it.
 

Cameron143

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Corrupting? Genesis 3:15 says God put enmity(strife,hatred) between their seed. They were not trying to corrupt it they were tying to mingle with it.
Right. But where did their ability to procreate with another species come from?
 

Flannery

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Just because there is no marriage in heaven, does not mean there is no sex. People on earth who are not married have sex. Your sex parts work outside of marriage.
Why isn't there any marriage in heaven, John? I don't mean to pry, but did you have a wife one time who was so witchy and evil that you'll never escape her until God grants you a divorce at the last judgement?
 

JohnB

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Why isn't there any marriage in heaven, John? I don't mean to pry, but did you have a wife one time who was so witchy and evil that you'll never escape her until God grants you a divorce at the last judgement?
Jesus said there is no marriage in heaven. If you don't like it, take it up with him.
 

JohnB

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And back to my original point, there are no scriptures which allow for the ability of angels to procreate with humans.
So the giants in Genesis were born of holy and unholy people? How do you figure that?
 

Clayman

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She's NOT your wife in heaven.
The joining together of two things is generally considered a marriage, A common colloquialism is to marry things together referring to inanimate objects.

This I also presume is how proponents of the Gen 6 argument get around angels mating with woman being a marriage, there is no formal union or ceremony where the angel says "I do take this woman to be my lawfully wedded wife"
and the woman says "I do take this... ah angel to be my lawfully wedded ah...guardian angel?"

Also where does this end, God is sovereign and we are all tested with various pleasures and lusts, and God did make sensual pleasure for us to enjoy in a certain context, yet there is a downward spiral if we start lusting for things the wrong way, which is how things deteriorate even to homosexual acts becoming harmless.

Thats why I was presuming you also see the act of adultery as a sin, do you see it as a sin in heaven?
 

Clayman

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If you don't want sex in heaven you can join the eunuchs club in heaven.
lol, I dont think I have a choice, although I find some things enjoyable in the flesh Im not going to be upset if they are superseded by far better things, and in heaven the sin nature and the fleshly desires if not there will not be counted a loss from my perspective.

But those who are considered worthy to share in the age to come and in the resurrection from the dead will neither marry nor be given in marriage.

I think there are tests we all go through for me there is nothing in this world that will make me choose the world over heaven, not power, not wealth, not fame, and all the inner desires that accompany them for its temporary and ultimately empty.

1 John 2:15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.
 

ResidentAlien

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I have heard repeatedly in church that angels cannot procreate. That is not true, according to the bible.

"when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown." Genesis 6:4. It had nothing to do with them being fallen angels. They were able to have children.
John, you have an unhealthy obsession with sex. I suggest getting help.
 

Ted01

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Jesus was clear, marriage is only for this life on earth.
I don't disagree with idea that marriage won't be part of our way of life in heaven.
I asked about sex... outside of marriage?
 

Fundaamental

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John, you have an unhealthy obsession with sex. I suggest getting help.
it looks like something is whispering in his ear justifying his ideas or thinking for him, the only help for him is the holy spirit.
 

Cameron143

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So the giants in Genesis were born of holy and unholy people? How do you figure that?
No one in this group seems holy. They all seem rebellious. But I do believe that only men and women can reproduce humans. Whatever phenotype was displayed was within the genotype, merely masked through recessive genes to that point.
 

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Don't really mean to be snarky... but why should we care?
I do think this notion of angels procreating here on earth with women should be repudiated.
It amazes me such a far fetched idea has gained such traction in the church, it really is not good.
 

HeIsHere

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If you don't want sex in heaven you can join the eunuchs club in heaven.
It is quite sad how you portray Heaven as some hedonistic paradise, more akin to the Muslim tradition. You idolize sex.

Jesus died on the cross so we could have sex in Heaven, this is a seriously tragic, abhorrent view of what Jesus endured and the gift of eternal life.

Have you ever felt His love?
 

iamsoandso

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Right. But where did their ability to procreate with another species come from?

They had their seed in themselves after their own kind when created by the Lord. In Genesis 3:15 both the woman and the one being spoken to have a "seed" https://biblehub.com/interlinear/genesis/3-15.htm zarah,zaraka from #2233 https://biblehub.com/hebrew/2233.htm

"The one being spoken to..." ,,the Serpent in the Garden in Genesis 3 though and those in Genesis 6 appear to not be the same (or in the same group). The one (the Serpent) is the Devil,the Serpent the Dragon https://biblehub.com/interlinear/revelation/12-9.htm and https://biblehub.com/interlinear/revelation/20-2.htm appears to be present from Genesis to Revelation while those who left their first estate and went after strange flesh are bound in chains until the judgment https://biblehub.com/interlinear/jude/1-6.htm The one group(Gen.6) is bound in chains until judgment and the other group(Serpent and 3rd part of the angels) is not. If the Serpent(spoken to in Gen.3:15) was in the same group as those in Gen. 6 he also would be in chains until Judgment.
 

Beckie

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No, he prefers we endure this obsession with him, misery is trying to find company.
ignore works ... I am having a difficult time deciding if Christian Chat is Christian.
 

HeIsHere

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ignore works ... I am having a difficult time deciding if Christian Chat is Christian.
I hear ya!

I get more profound Biblical insight from Reddit, sad but true.
 

Beckie

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I hear ya!

I get more profound Biblical insight from Reddit, sad but true.
What is the purpose of moderators? We grown up Christians can push trash aside but a new little lamb may get the idea that this is ok way to think/talk because of the title of the site... Does it constitute using His name in vain ? Christian Chat
 

Magenta

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And back to my original point, there are no scriptures which allow for the ability of angels to procreate with humans.
Nor are there any Scriptures that attest to angels being able to take the form of a man aside from the express will of God.
 

Cameron143

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They had their seed in themselves after their own kind when created by the Lord. In Genesis 3:15 both the woman and the one being spoken to have a "seed" https://biblehub.com/interlinear/genesis/3-15.htm zarah,zaraka from #2233 https://biblehub.com/hebrew/2233.htm

"The one being spoken to..." ,,the Serpent in the Garden in Genesis 3 though and those in Genesis 6 appear to not be the same (or in the same group). The one (the Serpent) is the Devil,the Serpent the Dragon https://biblehub.com/interlinear/revelation/12-9.htm and https://biblehub.com/interlinear/revelation/20-2.htm appears to be present from Genesis to Revelation while those who left their first estate and went after strange flesh are bound in chains until the judgment https://biblehub.com/interlinear/jude/1-6.htm The one group(Gen.6) is bound in chains until judgment and the other group(Serpent and 3rd part of the angels) is not. If the Serpent(spoken to in Gen.3:15) was in the same group as those in Gen. 6 he also would be in chains until Judgment.
Just so I'm clear, do you believe angels procreated with mankind? And if so, are there scriptures that support their ability to do so?

I don't need verses broken down for me. The verses themselves will suffice.