You are correct in that, the spirit of the antichrist has been in the world, for everyone who denies that Jesus is the Messiah is an antichrist. But "thee" antichrist is going to appear on the earth in conjunction with the end of the age. He would have to be an individual being in order for him to stand in the temple proclaiming himself to be God and to also be thrown alive into the lake of fire.
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1 John 2:18 They went out from us, but they were not really of us; for if they had been of us, they would have remained with us; but they went out, so that it would be shown that they all are not of us.
1 John 2:22 Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son.
2 John 1:7 For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist.
It pays to consider context when trying to pin the antichrist tail on some supposed future singular person.
1 John 2:22 Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son.
2 John 1:7 For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist.
It pays to consider context when trying to pin the antichrist tail on some supposed future singular person.
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If y'all really want to go about this in a better way, then I would like to suggest that you start with a list of every verse in the Bible where any of you believes there is an identifiable reference to "antichrist" and examine each closely to see if it can also be attributed to "man of sin", etc. - the other words and phrases that people often think are the same 'entity'. I believe this is the real point of your 'debate'.
I don't believe, for example, that anyone doubts the reality of Revelation 19:20. However, the question remains:
Is there a 'the' antichrist [ person ] who is the same entity as a 'the' beast [ person ] who is the same as a 'the' man-of-sin [ person ] who is the same as a 'the' son-of-perdition [ person ] who is the same entity as ...
In other words, which of all of these different identity descriptors are the same 'entity' ?
Is this not the real issue here?
MaggieMye -- isn't this what you are actually driving at?
I don't believe, for example, that anyone doubts the reality of Revelation 19:20. However, the question remains:
Is there a 'the' antichrist [ person ] who is the same entity as a 'the' beast [ person ] who is the same as a 'the' man-of-sin [ person ] who is the same as a 'the' son-of-perdition [ person ] who is the same entity as ...
In other words, which of all of these different identity descriptors are the same 'entity' ?
Is this not the real issue here?
MaggieMye -- isn't this what you are actually driving at?
“And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come
to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences,
shall stand up. And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power:
and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise,
and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people” (Daniel 8:23-24).
A man is about to come on the world scene who has a “fierce countenance”
and understands “dark sentences.” All of this happens “not by his own power”
—he is empowered in every way by Satan!
He is going to “destroy the mighty and the holy people.”
This strong man doesn’t think he would do murderous deeds (Isaiah 10:6-7).
But Satan is going to get to him—his mind will change (Habakkuk 1:11).
“And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand;
and he shall magnify himself in his heart, andby peace shall destroy many:
he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken
without hand” (Daniel 8:25). He has a policy of craft. He talks peace and
destroys nations. But Christ is going to destroy this man and the Empire.
to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences,
shall stand up. And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power:
and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise,
and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people” (Daniel 8:23-24).
A man is about to come on the world scene who has a “fierce countenance”
and understands “dark sentences.” All of this happens “not by his own power”
—he is empowered in every way by Satan!
He is going to “destroy the mighty and the holy people.”
This strong man doesn’t think he would do murderous deeds (Isaiah 10:6-7).
But Satan is going to get to him—his mind will change (Habakkuk 1:11).
“And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand;
and he shall magnify himself in his heart, andby peace shall destroy many:
he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken
without hand” (Daniel 8:25). He has a policy of craft. He talks peace and
destroys nations. But Christ is going to destroy this man and the Empire.
Of course the Anti-christ is a man.. There is a spirit of anti-christ also.. There are many anti-christs (people) but there shall be one final Anti-Chirst / son of perdition / A king of fierce countenance .. People who want to turn the entire Bible into symbolism and refuse to accept it's literal meanings will be deceived by the great deceiver who will have them fooled...
Most of us already have a chip in our personal credit cards and in the ignition keys of our vehicles. Internally, thousands and thousands of people already are been kept alive because of implants (many of them electronically activated and controlled) within our bodies. I have one entire manmade knee, and I will be getting another soon.
None of that "mark" has a thing to do with simple mechanical replacements or enhancements. It is as one woman here has already said, giving in to the mental assent to accept the ways and thinking of the world, rather than trusting in God.
None of that "mark" has a thing to do with simple mechanical replacements or enhancements. It is as one woman here has already said, giving in to the mental assent to accept the ways and thinking of the world, rather than trusting in God.
Just as is already happening, there will be and is, a literal device/mark under the skin of the hand and later in/on the forehead that is going to replace card swiping and the use of cell phone bank apps. Instead of using any of these one will simply hold out their hand and have it scanned to make their purchase utilizing the electronic credit and debiting system. This already happening in different places in the world and now here in the US. It won't be long before we begin to see people paying for their groceries, gas, bills, fast food, etc. with the scan of their hand.
The hand or forehead should not be interpreted symbolically to represent "action" and "making a decision" but as a mark/device that will go into the literal hand for the purpose of buying and selling, just as it is already happening.
In other words, the question as to whether this is symbolic or literal has been answered because people are literally being implanted for the purpose of buying and selling electronically.
The hand or forehead should not be interpreted symbolically to represent "action" and "making a decision" but as a mark/device that will go into the literal hand for the purpose of buying and selling, just as it is already happening.
In other words, the question as to whether this is symbolic or literal has been answered because people are literally being implanted for the purpose of buying and selling electronically.
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Actually, John is writing here an epistle to believers and not testifying about what Jesus was saying to other people when He was on earth, even though John is led by the Holy Spirit speaking what He hears from Jesus.
Yes, there are spirits of the antichrists that are in the world, and to test them against the real indwelling Holy Spirit is to remember that He has been dwelling in saved believers since the calling of the gospel so that whenever they "fee" or "experience" a spirit coming over them apart from salvation, that is NOT the Holy Spirit but the spirit of the antichrist. That is why John gave that line of discernment of "greater is he that is in you than he that is in the world" for why we are not to believe every spirit as of God. Indeed, in 1 John 4:5-6, a supernatural tongue found in the world before Pentecost can be received this way for which no interpretation is given because it is just vain & profane babbling nonsense.
BUT saved believers can be considered antichrists too just by being a false prophet/ false witness in pushing what they believe is the Holy Spirit to be received again apart from salvation after a sensational sign of confusion in the flesh.
1 John 4:1Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
1 John 2:[SUP]22 [/SUP]Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
So it is not a reference mainly for the son of perdition to identify in the middle of the great tribulation, but for false prophets that preach for the spirits of the antichrist to be received apart from salvation as the "Holy Spirit again" when it is not.
Many believers read 1 John 4:2-3 as if it is about false prophets denying that Jesus had come in the flesh, but it is actually a part of believers testing the spirits for the spirits of the antichrists that is in the world so as to not believe every spirit coming over them as being of God.
1 John 2:[SUP]2 [/SUP]Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: [SUP]3 [/SUP]And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2 Corinthians 13:[SUP]5 [/SUP]Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?
So 1 John 4:2 is about how saved believers confess presently by using the term ( is come ) which is not past tense in presently testing the spirits. 1 John 4:2 is saying the same thing as 2 Corinthians 13:5 in that Jesus Christ is in us as in the flesh. Whereas those who do NOT confess Jesus "IS COME" in the flesh is testifying to the spirit of the antichrist IN THE WORLD as coming in visits with signs and lying wonders when it falls on saved believers again and again and again.
So basically, those who promote receiving the Holy Spirit apart from salvation after a sign of tongues or preach another baptism with the Holy Spirit with the evidence of tongues or promote the "holy laughter" movement or the "slain in the Spirit" movement or the Pensacola Outpouring or the Toronto's Blessings or Ernest Angeley's Healing Crusade or any such promotion of receiving the Holy Spirit apart from salvation after a sign of confusion, are saved believers as antichrists preaching to saved believers to receive the spirits of the antichrists after a sign apart from their salvation, although they claim it is the Holy Spirit being received apart from salvation which it is not.
It may be that some have crept in that are part of the occult teaching others to open themselves up to receiving spirits of what they claim to be the Holy Spirit apart from salvation, but only the Lord can know that sine we have been warned that saved believers call fall away from the faith in giving heed to seducing spirits & doctrines of devils.
1 Timothy 4:1Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; [SUP]2 [/SUP]Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
Strange as it is, saved believers will acknowledge that the Holy Spirit is in them but they seek to receive Him again which is the epitome of hypocrisy and evidence that their conscience is seared as with a hot iron.
So antichrist can be a spirit and it can also be people that are false prophets promoting the spirits of the antichrist.[SUB][/SUB]
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Agreed. Certainly not a done deal that the microchip, that you buy and sell with, implanted in your hand, is THE mark of the beast. It very well could be something else. But that is a far cry from saying there will be no mark at all used for buying and selling.
Also, Scripture has multiple levels of application. Willie is right in saying the mark is Spiritual. But that does not negate that it will also be physical.
Also, Scripture has multiple levels of application. Willie is right in saying the mark is Spiritual. But that does not negate that it will also be physical.
Big mistake! You quoted 1 john 2:18 where it clearly states that antichrist IS COMING, but now already there are many.
2 Thessalonians 2:8 "And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:"
That is quite clear, this will happen at the Second Advent, the verses before that also mention the temple of God, which matches with what Jesus said about the Abomination of Desolation in Daniel, which is mentioned multiple times in Daniel actually.
Just read the book of Revelation and it will change your mind. The truth is that the word antichrist does not need to be mentioned by name to be referring to it, for we know the man of lawlessness will qualify as such.
So do not be fooled, the antichrist IS a person that is coming, and we need not be intellectual or spiritual giants to notice that something is going on in the world, with economies, and more importantly religions coming together, headed by many big shots and the man with the funny hat himself. I could name a certain individuals but I do not want to break the rules if there is such a rule here.
The watering down of Christianity is happening in front of our eyes with the coexist movement where we compromise everything and doctrines do not matter.
2 Thessalonians 2:8 "And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:"
That is quite clear, this will happen at the Second Advent, the verses before that also mention the temple of God, which matches with what Jesus said about the Abomination of Desolation in Daniel, which is mentioned multiple times in Daniel actually.
Just read the book of Revelation and it will change your mind. The truth is that the word antichrist does not need to be mentioned by name to be referring to it, for we know the man of lawlessness will qualify as such.
So do not be fooled, the antichrist IS a person that is coming, and we need not be intellectual or spiritual giants to notice that something is going on in the world, with economies, and more importantly religions coming together, headed by many big shots and the man with the funny hat himself. I could name a certain individuals but I do not want to break the rules if there is such a rule here.
The watering down of Christianity is happening in front of our eyes with the coexist movement where we compromise everything and doctrines do not matter.
All evil stems from the evil one. The god of this world , the father of evil generation of natural unconverted man as those who walk by sight after the the lust of the flesh the lust of the eye, as that which produces the pride of this life. The generations of Adam.
Lying spirits don't have bodies never did never will . They are not considered beast of the field ...a term that denotes where they formed from, the lifeless spiritless rudiments of this world.
When God corrupted this creation in regard to the promise that they would die to show the nature of these bodies of death was not immediate b but a process of decaying ageing leading toward destruction of the body and the temporal spirit returning to Him who gave it. As new creatures we are given a new spirit that will rise on the last day.It could never die
Joh 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Peter when temporally possessed to follow the will of another had committed blasphemy which is attributing the the work or the teaching ministry over to men rather than savoring the things of God . Because it was against the Son of man (flesh and blood) as that seen he was forgiven .Blasphemy against that not seen will not be forgiven.
Because Peter was of the Elect he was not sent a strong delusion to believe the lie .Christ moved denying Peter to repent over and over. Although we do deny Him in unbelief (no faith) if he is our savior he cannot deny Himself that he has paid the wage in full.
Peter had no way from keeping lying spirits from influences his thoughts or what some call possessing any more than did Adam and Eve in the garden...
Lying spirit come out by the gospel the true fast coupled with prayer a hope God will apply it to the heart of those we are offering it to.
The disciples that could not cast out the lying spirits misunderstood just what a true fast is . They thought the lack of food they ate which is necessary for these bodies of death could have a influence.
Not mixing faith in what they did hear or see with their eyes.
Lying spirits don't have bodies never did never will . They are not considered beast of the field ...a term that denotes where they formed from, the lifeless spiritless rudiments of this world.
When God corrupted this creation in regard to the promise that they would die to show the nature of these bodies of death was not immediate b but a process of decaying ageing leading toward destruction of the body and the temporal spirit returning to Him who gave it. As new creatures we are given a new spirit that will rise on the last day.It could never die
Joh 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Peter when temporally possessed to follow the will of another had committed blasphemy which is attributing the the work or the teaching ministry over to men rather than savoring the things of God . Because it was against the Son of man (flesh and blood) as that seen he was forgiven .Blasphemy against that not seen will not be forgiven.
Because Peter was of the Elect he was not sent a strong delusion to believe the lie .Christ moved denying Peter to repent over and over. Although we do deny Him in unbelief (no faith) if he is our savior he cannot deny Himself that he has paid the wage in full.
Peter had no way from keeping lying spirits from influences his thoughts or what some call possessing any more than did Adam and Eve in the garden...
Lying spirit come out by the gospel the true fast coupled with prayer a hope God will apply it to the heart of those we are offering it to.
The disciples that could not cast out the lying spirits misunderstood just what a true fast is . They thought the lack of food they ate which is necessary for these bodies of death could have a influence.
Not mixing faith in what they did hear or see with their eyes.
