Apollyon

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dcontroversal

dcontroversal

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You know it all boils down to the following......when he comes he will be called the destroyer in the Hebrew and Greek tongues and if Jesus did not step in there would be no FLESH left alive on the planet....so....for the sake of the ELECT he will step in and therefore the inspired message of Paul takes on a while new ambiance when he says...THEN WE WHICH ARE ALIVE AND REMAIN!
 
iamsoandso

iamsoandso

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dcontroversal said:
You know it all boils down to the following......when he comes he will be called the destroyer in the Hebrew and Greek tongues and if Jesus did not step in there would be no FLESH left alive on the planet....so....for the sake of the ELECT he will step in and therefore the inspired message of Paul takes on a while new ambiance when he says...THEN WE WHICH ARE ALIVE AND REMAIN!
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in the wording of (Rev.9;11) it says "whose name in the Hebrew tongue Abaddon,,(BUT) in the Greek hath name Apollyon",,,,

So remembering that the Revelations were addressed to be given to the 7 churches(Greek speakers then/modern day turkey now),,then so the letter(Revelations) being written in Greek when it came to this word(name) first pronounced and wrote it in Hebrew (Abaddon) but then states that they in their language(Greek) "Apollyon",,,,

I think this to be interesting because it is denoting that he(the king/angel of the bottomless pit rev.9;11) has a name that was first given to him in Hebrew,,and so the name Apollyon is give as an interpretation of the correct name. So then it is the same as us today(if the Revelations was written to the u.s.) then rev. 9;11 would say,,,,,,,,,,,"who's name in the Hebrew tongue Abaddon,,but in the English tongue it is Destroyer" ,,,,So Apollyon and Destroyer are actually just an interpretation of his true name Abaddon(Hebrew).

So then since he has an Hebrew name,then it would seem that the meaning to who he is is within the Hebrew scriptures,that is that it is unclear as to which side he(Abaddon) is on "is he aligned with God,and obeys God,,,or is he on the devils side and aligned with him?",, Abaddon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If we consider what he does(his acts) from Rev.9;1-11,,,he(Abaddon) ''IS NOT ATTACKING GODS PEOPLE",,,but instead those "WHO DO NOT HAVE THE SEAL OF GOD IN THEIR FOREHEADS"(Rev.9;4),,,so he Abaddon is helping God and hurting the Devil and his followers,,,,,,,
 
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iamsoandso said:
Yes first the two horned beast comes,,he has the power to give life to the beast that was,was not,yet is,,,,sets up an image of the beast,,,,,,,,,,,,then those on earth are deceived and worship the image and receive the mark,,,,,,,,,and then "AFTER THAT THE PLAGUES ARE POURED OUT ON THOSE WHO RECEIVE THE MARK,WORSHIP HIS IMAGE ECT",,,,,,

but then Appolyon,,,rises after the 7th trumpet(as you said),,,,,,,,,,,"SO IT IS IMPOSSIBLE THAT APPOLYON IS THE BEAST,,BECOUSE THE BEAST COMES BEFORE APPOLYON",,,,,,,,,,,,
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You are somewhat closer. Only nuance is that Apollyon comes BEFORE the Beasts, not after. 5th Trumpet is sounded and then the Bottomless Pit is opened. This is when Apollyon is loosed.

The 7th Trumpet sounds and the War in Heaven is fought and the dragon is defeated and thrown down to the earth. Then the beasts arise.

Those times will be dark, but be of good cheer, then the seven bowls of wrath are poured out and Jesus returns and reigns forever and ever.
 
iamsoandso

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GodIsSalvation said:
You are somewhat closer. Only nuance is that Apollyon comes BEFORE the Beasts, not after. 5th Trumpet is sounded and then the Bottomless Pit is opened. This is when Apollyon is loosed.

The 7th Trumpet sounds and the War in Heaven is fought and the dragon is defeated and thrown down to the earth. Then the beasts arise.

Those times will be dark, but be of good cheer, then the seven bowls of wrath are poured out and Jesus returns and reigns forever and ever.
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you forgot to include the scriptures supporting your opinion,,,,,,,
 
iamsoandso

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GodIsSalvation said:
Lol that could work too indeed, from Creation to re-Creation.

I merely start from Revelation chapter 9 since subject is Apollyon.
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Well "Sunday school is out at 10:45",,church begins at 11:00,,if you intend on speaking bring the scriptures you are prepared to support the doctrine you believe concerns the whole body of the churches eternal lives,,,
 
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iamsoandso said:
Well "Sunday school is out at 10:45",,church begins at 11:00,,if you intend on speaking bring the scriptures you are prepared to support the doctrine you believe concerns the whole body of the churches eternal lives,,,
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If they have a copy of the Bible then they all ready have the scriptures. This is not my doctrine about that Trumpets and Apollyon and the Beasts. Just open your Bible to Revelation chapter 9 and read from there forward. Whatever is written therein, let that be the truth.
 
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