Apologetics to the "Most Holy"

[WordGaurdian]

It is my concern that too often I perceive people claiming Greek, Aramaic and Hebrew translations (thankfully nobody tried the Latin yet ) and make declarations on the Bible because of the meaning of the words, but with respect said - far too often don't know the language or culture within which it was spoken. I even once saw a guy arguing with a Jew as to the meaning of the words he grew up with.

This would not have bothered me if the message they received was actually Holy Spirit ordained, but more often then not, the fruit of their words bear not the fruit of love, peace or joy but more like blind hatred, anger, jealousy. And then as to the insight which is proclaimed it is quite a common statement.

Now forgive me for saying this, but I long for friends and fellow brothers and sisters in Christ. I long for someone who actually asks the Holy Spirit what to say, rather than to try to use his own mind and it just ends up being verbal abuse. And like most young Christians, I too sometimes long for mere fellowship. For a word of Wisdom or Knowledge or Prophecy from God.

Let me tell you a little story about me. In my life I have seen quite a number of miracles. I have seen the Lord do amazing and wonderful things. Heal people in miraculous ways. See food multiply. I had previlidge to so much that the Lord showed me. Yet still I am reminded of His words - seek ye first the Kingdom of God and His rightiousness. I made it my quest to search and find the Kingdom of which Jesus spoke of. Of where He preached daily as did John the Baptist - the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand. I read of Elisha that could see in the spiritual - the horses with their chariots and the angels chasing them. So I kept on seeking knocking and asking. I found out that their are hidden secrets in the Bible and that in the Lord's prayer He talks about the Kingdom. Of a spiritual world beyond the comprehension of the masses of which we would fulfill our task under the authority of Christ.

Now after a while I notice various things, like the different office gifts. How they function. What is a prophet, how to identify them. How to identify apostles, etc. And what the purpose behind it all is. And the more I learned the more I realised that the simplest of instructions from Christ is extremely important. Things like giving a glass of water and praying for peace to every house entered. Every day I learn from Christ. More and more. Yet it gets more and more lonely. For to some I cannot talk about the baptism of the Holy Spirit. To others I cannot talk about actual healings and prophecies. To others I cannot explain the energy and peace of particles of light that surround them. To others I cannot explain the various depths and dimensions which is explained in Genesis 1. My mother when I was about 13 and vividly start to understand God speaking to me said to me that the road I take is a very lonely road. And I was fine with that. I didn't realise that it would feel like I am the only one on earth. (obviously not - just like Elijah I am probably exagerating)

In the Bible God said that His nation is destroying themselves because of a lack of knowledge. Don't get me wrong I don't have all the answers. But it doesn't seem anybody is interested in praying and obtaining any. I would love to hear from others what God taught you, for I believe that if I can learn that secret peals and knowledge from you and I can share some of my pearls with you then we can both grow. Which is why I joined CC in the first place.

The other day I went to a church and the pastor wanted to preach one thing, but was interrupted by the Holy Spirit and ended up, praying and preaching totally different, yet every word he preached was ordained and spoke into my life. It was a extremely emotional but wonderful experience. And I could sense the fruit of the Holy Spirit all over. I am not saying everyone should obtain revelational knowledge. But I do say that one should listen to the Holy Spirit before you make any statements. I often get the feeling the people say what they believe and what their insight in the manner is and they try to convince others to their way of thinking and the way they were taught. Hey don't get me wrong... test the spirits to see if there is evil, but please listen to the Holy Spirit when adressing someone. You might just learn something you yourself didn't know. I can't tell you how many times while I was teaching someone else by the guidance of the Holy Spirit, I would go like "hey I didn't know that..." and then give the guy or lady the message,because I knew it was from God.

I don't mean this as a repremand but as an encouragement. Can't we all learn more about God in the Light of God which we all agree is Jesus Christ who is the Truth the Life and the Way, and rather than try to act as if we are knowlegdeable and Holy by immitating words from a language we do not fully comprehend and the customs there off, can't we listen to the Holy Spirit who would translate it for us in our own mother tongue just like on the day of Pentacost. I urge you please. Whenever I enter the discussion group I often feel like I have to put on my boxing gloves rather than to expect a big hug from my brother or sister. Shouldn't one experience just love when in the presence of Christians.

PS: To all the people of America who are and were affected by Hurricane Sandy, my prayers go with you.

 

[homwardbound]

Thanks brother yes i agree and for the most part it seems to be goiing that way in love and agereing to disagree, for what any of us do not know, God , the Holy Ghost will straighten any disputes of doubt in one's midst The bottom line goal is to come to God's love the love that goes on forever while everything else passes away
Homwardbound I am

 

[mule]

There is a reason that we have doctrine and do not change the traditions or the teachings. Doctrine was set so heresy could not creep in and change what was believed from the days of Jesus. It is a way to pass our faith from one generation to the next without it becoming the telephone game.
So much of this happens today. New revelations and words from God and each time it conflicts with set doctrine we are told we don't really understand what is written or that our translations is in error.

 

[Jon4TheCross]

Thank you my friend, that was very edifying. I too am always open to hearing what people say that God told them or showed them. I recently talked to a guy who ended up telling me that God told him that he was another son of God with no measure or beginning, so it's of course good to look for the genuine words of God and understanding of it. I could share one of the highlights of my measure I suppose. I am also open to any scriptures that might contradict, and will appreciate the opportunity to talk more about it, or not, it makes no difference to me.

This is something I was given while I was in solitude in the woods.

 

[Jon4TheCross]

I'm new at this and the link doesn't appear to be working, but it's also in my public pics

 

[Jon4TheCross]

 

[kenisyes]

I have been walking that lonely road thirty years ahead of you. I did not have a mother who understood, and had to find my own way. I learned to look at the Hebrew and Greek (and Talmud and Aristotle, Plato, Pliny, and Philo of Alexandria for the culture) because the English translations seemed not clear enough to account for my experience. My wife used to say, "never teach something until you have experienced it". It doesn't matter what language you interpret in. Anyone can talk, living is harder. Life in the Holy Spirit proves Scripture, and Scripture proves life in the Holy Spirit.

A not so great pearl: The grace of God must travel through a ninth dimension (I read your bio); these are the taninim of day 5 in creation, mistranslated whales. A greater pearl, possibly the greatest I know: all roads up the mountain, lonely and not lonely, meet at the one point at the top.