Apologetics vs Honor

[Blain]

. It's very difficult to find a Christian with integrity, viz: one that can give you
a direct answer to a direct question about their beliefs and practices.

When a rational skeptic points out that some of God's actions are not only
unreasonable, but also downright evil, selfish, and sadistic; the average
Christian typically circles the wagons, i.e. they become defensive. Instead of
forthrightly agreeing that the critical thinker's appraisals make sense; the
defensive Christian waxes eloquent with a bombastic discourse, deftly
concealing the unspeakable truth that they too have sometimes entertained
the very same opinions.

I sincerely believe God appreciates honesty and totally despises deceit. So;
if perchance the day comes when God asks each of us point blank:

Was there ever a time when you felt that some of my actions were
unreasonable, unfair, inhumane, selfish, cruel, and/or the work of a mad
man?

Or:

Was there ever at time when you wished I didn't exist?

The answers coming out of our mouths better not be what we think He
wants to hear, or some scripted response learned in church, rather; exactly
what He knows already, i.e. it had better not be equivocation, sophistry, or
tiresome rhetoric, no, it had better be a crisp Yes or a No; and it had better
be honest.
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I have been in situations like this most of the time the responses tend to be a misdierect or vague response.
I think there are times when even I catch myself doing this but direct answers cause much less confusion and frustration. There was a user on here who claimed to be sinless when I asked several questions about his belief it was always vague or misdirected but when he spoke to me he kept demanding the direct answers he wouldn't give to me.
I still did it but honestly was kind of irritated he didn't have the courtisy to do the same for me.

 

[crossnote]

I have been in situations like this most of the time the responses tend to be a misdierect or vague response.
I think there are times when even I catch myself doing this but direct answers cause much less confusion and frustration. There was a user on here who claimed to be sinless when I asked several questions about his belief it was always vague or misdirected but when he spoke to me he kept demanding the direct answers he wouldn't give to me.
I still did it but honestly was kind of irritated he didn't have the courtisy to do the same for me.

Hi Blain, haven't seen you in a while. I have always been told that these forums are for discussion, not dictating to others how they are to respond and belittle if they don't. But oh well, he is the OP, his thread.

 

[Blain]

Hi Blain, haven't seen you in a while. I have always been told that these forums are for discussion, not dictating to others how they are to respond and belittle if they don't. But oh well, he is the OP, his thread.

Yeah I was moved into an institute for the mentally disabled you know a (home) I knew my family would eventually put me here even though I don't belong here but they never listen and I have nowhere else I can go so I just trust I am here and God has a purpose but the wifi here is absolutely dreadful.

But yes I do understand where your coming from but at the same time I have known some debates where you keep asking something and only get vague responses without having clarification or misdirecting in order to not answer or other times simply ignoring all together, It can be frustrating .

 

[ResidentAlien]

Rather than apologetics or honor either one, how 'bout some plain ol' humility?

 

[throughfaith]

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I do not care to explain myself, nor do I have the slightest interest in
hearing you explain yourself.

Just answer the six questions listed below with a Yes or a No as honestly as
you can. If your responses are too personal, then it's okay to remain silent,
but keeping in mind that one day you may be required to stand before God
and answer openly rather than secretly.

For example: the Lord most likely knew in advance Peter's innermost
thoughts when asked how he felt about Jesus (John 21:15-17). But the Lord
wasn't satisfied till Peter came out with his feelings one on one, face to face,
man to man.

1» Was there ever a time when you felt that God should've stepped in to
prevent the Serpent from tempting Eve?

2» Was there ever a time when you resented God's control over your life?

3» Was there ever a time when you were dissatisfied with Hades and/or the
Lake Of Fire? In other words: was there a time when you felt those
punishments go too far, i.e. they're over-kill; too extreme.

4» God knew in advance that He would regret creating humankind, and that
He would be drowning most of it in a global deluge; yet went ahead and
created people anyway. Has there ever been a time when you felt there was
something sick and twisted about God for doing that?

5» Was there ever a time when you felt that some of God's actions were
unreasonable, unfair, inhumane, selfish, cruel, and/or the work of a mad
man?

6» Was there ever a time when you wished God didn't exist?

The questions themselves don't really matter all that much. What matters
most is whether you answer them honestly; because in order to establish a
productive rapport with God, people have to be transparent rather than
secretive. So don't beat around the bush and/or make excuses. Whatever
you do, don't try God's patience; just answer Him forthrightly and get it over
with.
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What's makes you think we will be asked these questions ?

 

[Webers.Home]

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What's makes you think we will be asked these questions ?

I can neither insist nor guarantee that we'll all be hit with the six questions
listed in post No.5 but considering that God carpet bombed Job with a
barrage of impossible questions, it's likely that us ordinary folk will undergo
a similar interrogation; so I suggest we all be thinking about our answers
before that day arrives and catches us unprepared.

You know, honesty may not always be the best policy in Machiavellian
politics, but I think when confronted by God, it is. So Christians should not
even think about snowing God with apologetics like they do the skeptics as
I seriously don't think He can be put off like that.
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[p_rehbein]

Was there ever a time when you felt that some of my actions were
unreasonable, unfair, inhumane, selfish, cruel, and/or the work of a mad
man?

Or:

Was there ever at time when you wished I didn't exist?

I really didn't see a reason to answer these questions, given that the Statements preceding them were totally unGodly...............however, since you insist:

NO and NO

Now, question for you. Do YOU agree with the statement made in Comment #9? If so, why bother with this Thread?

 

[throughfaith]

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I can neither insist nor guarantee that we'll all be hit with the six questions
listed in post No.5 but considering that God carpet bombed Job with a
barrage of impossible questions, it's likely that us ordinary folk will undergo
a similar interrogation; so I suggest we all be thinking about our answers
before that day arrives and catches us unprepared.

You know, honesty may not always be the best policy in Machiavellian
politics, but I think when confronted by God, it is. So Christians should not
even think about snowing God with apologetics like they do the skeptics as
I seriously don't think He can be put off like that.
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I see its an unnecessary burden .

 

[Webers.Home]

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Do YOU agree with the statement made in Comment #9?

There are two statements in No.9; one by Webers.Home and one by
p_rehbein. To which of the two is your inquiry directed?
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[crossnote]

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There are two statements in No.9; one by Webers.Home and one by
p_rehbein. To which of the two is your inquiry directed?
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You are just playing games. Comment #9 is Rehbein's response to one of your previous posts. Respond to what Rehbein stated in post #9.