Hi there
Sorry but I couldn't but laugh at the interresting comments you came up with. I guess we all need a teacher (being Jesus) badly. LOL. No offence intended. First of "if I may add to your discussion". Apostles are just people with a gift of apostleship. They are no better or worse than any other person. The gift does not give you supernatural abilities not to commit sin. It does not even give you the ability not to backslid. It might make you very stubborn however and make you stick to things. But if you want to take a look at the Bible, you shall read that all but one of the apostles, being the Apostle John, left Jesus to die alone on the cross. If apostles didn't backslid...woops than I guess John was the only one. Which definately is not true. Apostles are not more or less than prophets. The hand cannot say that because it is not the eye that it is worth more or less. Why then the order, it is an indication of authority. The authority that accompanies the gift. Remember authority is not there to be bossy, but to be an aid to those who are underneath you in authority. If you don't understand this, then maybe you need to try and figure out why Jesus washed the feet of the disciples. As for woman speaking in public. The nature and design of a woman is to submissable underneath either her father or her husband from which she draws her authority. Just as the Lord can use a child to teach an old man something, God can and often use woman. However A woman may not stand in authority above her own husband or her father or in an equal standing. For this will make it extremely difficult on her spiritually, since she would face the same onslaught, but since she was not designed for it, she would not be able to bear it for long. With that it does not mean woman cannot preach or teach. But she must be under the authority of those that are in ordinance above her. If he permits her, it is his responsibility to correct her if she speaks wrongly. For this reason, he must accompany her. If she speaks openly, he must correct her openly, so that the words may not have ill effect. However if she says nothing wrong, then the words will carry the full weight of his authority. Furhermore if she speaks wrongly and he does not correct what was said (knowing or unknowing) then the consequence of her words will befall him. However, if she are corrected and accepts being corrected no ill will befall either of them.
As for slaves and masters. Do you not know that we are all bondslaves underneath God. For either you are a slave of the devil or a slave of God. However in His Grace, He has granted us to be more than slaves, but as children of Him. We are either for God or against Him. If we slave ourselves to God, and OBEY His commandments, then we prove our love for Him. And in being in His love and His love in us we fulfill ourselves in Him and by fulfilling His commandments and tasks our love is made complete and we are then unified in Him and in doing so His grace abounds in us completely.
With love
Sorry but I couldn't but laugh at the interresting comments you came up with. I guess we all need a teacher (being Jesus) badly. LOL. No offence intended. First of "if I may add to your discussion". Apostles are just people with a gift of apostleship. They are no better or worse than any other person. The gift does not give you supernatural abilities not to commit sin. It does not even give you the ability not to backslid. It might make you very stubborn however and make you stick to things. But if you want to take a look at the Bible, you shall read that all but one of the apostles, being the Apostle John, left Jesus to die alone on the cross. If apostles didn't backslid...woops than I guess John was the only one. Which definately is not true. Apostles are not more or less than prophets. The hand cannot say that because it is not the eye that it is worth more or less. Why then the order, it is an indication of authority. The authority that accompanies the gift. Remember authority is not there to be bossy, but to be an aid to those who are underneath you in authority. If you don't understand this, then maybe you need to try and figure out why Jesus washed the feet of the disciples. As for woman speaking in public. The nature and design of a woman is to submissable underneath either her father or her husband from which she draws her authority. Just as the Lord can use a child to teach an old man something, God can and often use woman. However A woman may not stand in authority above her own husband or her father or in an equal standing. For this will make it extremely difficult on her spiritually, since she would face the same onslaught, but since she was not designed for it, she would not be able to bear it for long. With that it does not mean woman cannot preach or teach. But she must be under the authority of those that are in ordinance above her. If he permits her, it is his responsibility to correct her if she speaks wrongly. For this reason, he must accompany her. If she speaks openly, he must correct her openly, so that the words may not have ill effect. However if she says nothing wrong, then the words will carry the full weight of his authority. Furhermore if she speaks wrongly and he does not correct what was said (knowing or unknowing) then the consequence of her words will befall him. However, if she are corrected and accepts being corrected no ill will befall either of them.
As for slaves and masters. Do you not know that we are all bondslaves underneath God. For either you are a slave of the devil or a slave of God. However in His Grace, He has granted us to be more than slaves, but as children of Him. We are either for God or against Him. If we slave ourselves to God, and OBEY His commandments, then we prove our love for Him. And in being in His love and His love in us we fulfill ourselves in Him and by fulfilling His commandments and tasks our love is made complete and we are then unified in Him and in doing so His grace abounds in us completely.
With love
