Are gifts evidence of salvation?

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Nehemiah6

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And followers of faith alone regeneration theology believe that their acceptance of this narrative will save them. Not the blood of Jesus but their affirmation of this "harmony of scripture".
What utter nonsense. Those who come to Christ in faith also know what the blood of Christ has accomplished for them.
 

Nehemiah6

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It's above their heads Lamar.
So we now have a tiny spiritual "elite" over here under the delusion that they have really grasped the Gospel. This is just laughable.
 

Lamar

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What utter nonsense. Those who come to Christ in faith also know what the blood of Christ has accomplished for them.
Those who come to Christ in faith do not insist on harmonizing the word of God but simply submit to it.
 

Lamar

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So we now have a tiny spiritual "elite" over here under the delusion that they have really grasped the Gospel. This is just laughable.
"Delusion"???

Delusion is insisting in a theology that has no example. And that is exactly what you are pushing.
 

Musicmaster

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In the examples of the bible none of the conversions resulted after some extensive period of study. What does being a pagan have to do with anything regarding the conversion of the Ethiopian eunuch? Nothing! So, what's your point? The facts are Philip preached Christ which preaching of the gospel obviously included the need for baptism. The eunuch believed, confessed his belief, and was baptized. He was saved at that point.
It can also be said that many conversions took place after simply hearing the Gospel. I also never said anything about converting only after a lengthy period of study. These straw man injections into what I actually said are easily dispatched.

Have you ever studied ancient history and the Ethiopians. They had many pagan practices and beliefs. My point is to call into question the idea of the narrative about the Ethiopian conversion being the defining methodology for every conversion in the first century Church, like some sort one-size-fits-all cookie cutter salvation formula.

Your rejection of the thief on the cross as being under the new covenant is also most questionable...but we all are free to believe as we all choose.

MM
 

Lamar

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Your rejection of the thief on the cross as being under the new covenant is also most questionable...but we all are free to believe as we all choose.
Your assertion of the thief on the cross not being water baptized for the forgiveness of sins is simply conjecture. An assertion build on shaky ground to say the least. Was he baptized for the forgiveness of sins like many others before him, you and I do not know. The difference between the two of us is simple. You would base a argument on an assumption and I would not.
 

Lamar

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Yup. Guard your heart. Easy for it to become stony or hard with all the lies being told.
When dealing with claims of physical supernatural manifestations of the Holy Spirit it is not your "heart" you should worry about but your God given reason. Always have a open mind but not so open that your brain falls out.
 

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When dealing with claims of physical supernatural manifestations of the Holy Spirit it is not your "heart" you should worry about but your God given reason. Always have a open mind but not so open that your brain falls out.
I agree with critical thinking - but not to the point we deny the possibility of miracles.
 
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When dealing with claims of physical supernatural manifestations of the Holy Spirit it is not your "heart" you should worry about but your God given reason. Always have a open mind but not so open that your brain falls out.
It's FUN to speculate without being shackled by conventional thinking..:)
For example if life on earth is an illusion or 'dream', we could speculate that Jesus was a 'Master of the Art of Dream Manipulation', able to bend 'reality' to produce what looked like miracles to people..:)
 

Nehemiah6

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Delusion is insisting in a theology that has no example. And that is exactly what you are pushing.
You would make any excuse to reject any and all Scriptures which refuted your false ideas. So I will not give you any "examples".
 

DJT_47

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It can also be said that many conversions took place after simply hearing the Gospel. I also never said anything about converting only after a lengthy period of study. These straw man injections into what I actually said are easily dispatched.

Have you ever studied ancient history and the Ethiopians. They had many pagan practices and beliefs. My point is to call into question the idea of the narrative about the Ethiopian conversion being the defining methodology for every conversion in the first century Church, like some sort one-size-fits-all cookie cutter salvation formula.

Your rejection of the thief on the cross as being under the new covenant is also most questionable...but we all are free to believe as we all choose.

MM
Yes or no

1. Do you believe that the scriptures teach belief and faith are required for salvation?
2. Do you believe a cording to scripture Romans 10:9 that confession of your belief is required for salvation, also confirmed by the example of the Ethiopian eunuch's conversion in Acts 8?
3. Do you believe according to scripture that repentance is required such as stated in Acts 2:38 and many other scriptures as Luke 24:46-48?
4. Do you believe that baptism is required for salvation according to scripture such as Acts 2:38, Acts 22:16, Mark 16:15-16, and more?
 

Everlasting-Grace

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Yes or no

1. Do you believe that the scriptures teach belief and faith are required for salvation?
2. Do you believe a cording to scripture Romans 10:9 that confession of your belief is required for salvation, also confirmed by the example of the Ethiopian eunuch's conversion in Acts 8?
3. Do you believe according to scripture that repentance is required such as stated in Acts 2:38 and many other scriptures as Luke 24:46-48?
4. Do you believe that baptism is required for salvation according to scripture such as Acts 2:38, Acts 22:16, Mark 16:15-16, and more?
Lets pray he does not believe that the WORK of water baptism is required for salvation.

He would be no better than you. Or the jew who demanded circumcision was required wiht faith to be saved.
 

Lamar

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I agree with critical thinking - but not to the point we deny the possibility of miracles.
I never met a Christian who would "deny the possibility of miracles".

Have you?
 

Lamar

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You would make any excuse to reject any and all Scriptures which refuted your false ideas. So I will not give you any "examples".
If you or any other follower of faith alone regeneration theology had an example I would not have to ask for it.

They would have shown it a long time ago!
 

DJT_47

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So we now have a tiny spiritual "elite" over here under the delusion that they have really grasped the Gospel. This is just laughable.
Yes, few there be that find it. The "tiny spiritual elite" and it ain't you! Just laughable.
 

Nehemiah6

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They would have shown it a long time ago!
You are just a time waster. No wonder that house in your avatar is not sitting straight. Also it is built on sand.