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To the best of my recall, these are the views of Mormonism on the major issues of faith.
1. They believe that there was a later gospel: The Book of Mormon, The Pearl of Great Price, and the Doctrine and Covenants. They believe in "progressive revelation" that continues to this day. Thus when faced with federal action, they had a revelation that multiple marriage was to be spiritual not physical. In my lifetime, they had a revelation that negroes could become bishops, thus moving them from being a "cursed" race.
2. They believe that "as man is God once was and as God is man shall be." They believe that Godhood is attained through the process of being birthed first in the spiritual world by the gods and their wives, then being birthed into the world by men and women, then being baptized into the church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, then being spiritually married, then being faithful to the LDS church and doctrines. Oh yes, if you are a woman, your husband has to call you forth from the grave.
3. They believe that the "fall" was neccesary for man to become God.
4. They do not believe in original sin and believe that each man must pay for his own sin.
5. They believe that those who do not take the path to godhood will be resurrected. If someone has been baptized for them (and spiritually married to them), they will have an opportunity to become gods. If not, they will have an opportunity to become servants. For those who refuse, they will be annihilated. This fits into a believe in a three tiered heaven.
6. They believe that Jesus was born from intercourse between Father God (the eldest of the gods) and Mary.
7. They believe that God rejected all the churches and started over through Joseph Smith and the Latter Day Saints. They believe that God restored apostleship within the LDS church.
8. They believe that the English are part of the ten lost tribes of Israel. They believe that many years before Christ, a remnant of Israel immigrated to America. They believe that after his ressurection, Jesus appeared to the inhabitants of America and preached the gospel.
1. They believe that there was a later gospel: The Book of Mormon, The Pearl of Great Price, and the Doctrine and Covenants. They believe in "progressive revelation" that continues to this day. Thus when faced with federal action, they had a revelation that multiple marriage was to be spiritual not physical. In my lifetime, they had a revelation that negroes could become bishops, thus moving them from being a "cursed" race.
2. They believe that "as man is God once was and as God is man shall be." They believe that Godhood is attained through the process of being birthed first in the spiritual world by the gods and their wives, then being birthed into the world by men and women, then being baptized into the church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, then being spiritually married, then being faithful to the LDS church and doctrines. Oh yes, if you are a woman, your husband has to call you forth from the grave.
3. They believe that the "fall" was neccesary for man to become God.
4. They do not believe in original sin and believe that each man must pay for his own sin.
5. They believe that those who do not take the path to godhood will be resurrected. If someone has been baptized for them (and spiritually married to them), they will have an opportunity to become gods. If not, they will have an opportunity to become servants. For those who refuse, they will be annihilated. This fits into a believe in a three tiered heaven.
6. They believe that Jesus was born from intercourse between Father God (the eldest of the gods) and Mary.
7. They believe that God rejected all the churches and started over through Joseph Smith and the Latter Day Saints. They believe that God restored apostleship within the LDS church.
8. They believe that the English are part of the ten lost tribes of Israel. They believe that many years before Christ, a remnant of Israel immigrated to America. They believe that after his ressurection, Jesus appeared to the inhabitants of America and preached the gospel.
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Some mormons who have made a real decision in their heart to give their lives to Jesus as their Savior are saved. However the teaching of the mormon church can quickly lead them into deception. When you are in deception, it doesn't necessarily mean you aren't saved, because people who are in deception don't know that they are deceived. God is just and once you are saved He will judge and only hold you responsible for the revelation of the truth that you know. Some may say that you need to know the full truth. Granted that statement is not untrue, but how many of us are walking in the knowledge of the full truth? To say that you are is to say that you understand 100% of the Bible and you always choose to think like God does.
Blessings,
Machew
Blessings,
Machew
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Is Mormonism Christian? Does a chicken have lips? Most, but not all, cults prefer to attack our Bible outright. It's a covenient tactic designed to get people away from what the Word of God actually says and into their extra-Biblical heresy. Mormonism is one of those. Aside from the King James Version of the Bible, which the Mormons accept as part of the Word of God "as far as it is translated correctly" (Eighth Article of Faith), they have added Doctrine and Covenants, The Pearl of Great Aim, and the initial volume, The Book of Mormon, to the Christian canon and placed these heretical 'Four Standard Works' on the same footing as scripture. These have been constantly revised and changed by the Mormon Church since their first publications as various plagiarisms, anachronisms, false prophecies, and other unfortunate practices connected with them came to light.
The theology of Mormonism is like reading Orc Theology from The Lord of the Rings. Here's a brief example: The Mormons maintain that Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdery received the Aaronic priesthood from the hand of John the Baptist on May 15,1829, and that "the Melchizedek Priesthood was conferred upon Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdery through the ministration of Peter, James, and John, shortly after the conferring of the Aaronic order.
Now imagine this nonsense intertwined with wild heresy like "In the beginning, the head of the Gods called a council of the Gods; and they came together and concocted a plan to create the world and people it" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 349) running all through their heretical 'Four Standard Works' and you begin to see how far out and wildly heretical Mormon teaching really is.
Mormonism strives with great effort to masquerade as the true Christian church complete with an exclusive message, infallible prophets, and higher revelations for a new dispensation that the Mormons would have us believe began with Joseph Smith Jr; however, it is the verdict of both history and biblical theology that Joseph Smith's religion is a polytheistic nightmare of garbled doctrines draped with the garment of Christian terminology.
This fact, if nothing else, brands it as a patently non-Christian and heretical cult system. Joseph lied. Feel free to disregard it.
Frequently Asked Questions | MormonInfo.org
The theology of Mormonism is like reading Orc Theology from The Lord of the Rings. Here's a brief example: The Mormons maintain that Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdery received the Aaronic priesthood from the hand of John the Baptist on May 15,1829, and that "the Melchizedek Priesthood was conferred upon Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdery through the ministration of Peter, James, and John, shortly after the conferring of the Aaronic order.
Now imagine this nonsense intertwined with wild heresy like "In the beginning, the head of the Gods called a council of the Gods; and they came together and concocted a plan to create the world and people it" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 349) running all through their heretical 'Four Standard Works' and you begin to see how far out and wildly heretical Mormon teaching really is.
Mormonism strives with great effort to masquerade as the true Christian church complete with an exclusive message, infallible prophets, and higher revelations for a new dispensation that the Mormons would have us believe began with Joseph Smith Jr; however, it is the verdict of both history and biblical theology that Joseph Smith's religion is a polytheistic nightmare of garbled doctrines draped with the garment of Christian terminology.
This fact, if nothing else, brands it as a patently non-Christian and heretical cult system. Joseph lied. Feel free to disregard it.
Frequently Asked Questions | MormonInfo.org
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Just as a point of fact, lest anyone get confused about this "council of gods" Mormonism teaches as creating the world having anything to do with the triune God of the Bible when it certainly DOES NOT, read on:
Mormons teach a false doctrine of eternal progression. The Mormon doctrine of eternal progression teaches that God the Father was once a man, who progressed to Godhood through obedience to certain laws and ordinances. Part of this obedience involved getting married to a woman ("The Heavenly Mother"), who gives birth to God’s spirit children, who are sent to earth to inhabit bodies of flesh and bone. These spirit children, if they are Mormons, remain obedient to the laws of the Mormon Church, and are married in the Mormon temple, have the potential to become gods themselves. They will produce spirit children and rule their own planet. This process is then repeated.
As an authentic Christian, we understand that the Trinity is the doctrine that there is only one God in all the universe and that He exists in three eternal, simultaneous persons: The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
Now what Mormons do is take the Biblical teaching of the Trinity and divide each person of the one God (e.g. trinity) into three separate Gods: The Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost as they stated in the Mormon Articles of Faith, "That these three are separate individuals, physically distinct from each other, is demonstrated by the accepted records of divine dealings with man," (Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, p. 35).
Mormonism is Heresy with a capital H.
Mormons teach a false doctrine of eternal progression. The Mormon doctrine of eternal progression teaches that God the Father was once a man, who progressed to Godhood through obedience to certain laws and ordinances. Part of this obedience involved getting married to a woman ("The Heavenly Mother"), who gives birth to God’s spirit children, who are sent to earth to inhabit bodies of flesh and bone. These spirit children, if they are Mormons, remain obedient to the laws of the Mormon Church, and are married in the Mormon temple, have the potential to become gods themselves. They will produce spirit children and rule their own planet. This process is then repeated.
As an authentic Christian, we understand that the Trinity is the doctrine that there is only one God in all the universe and that He exists in three eternal, simultaneous persons: The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
Now what Mormons do is take the Biblical teaching of the Trinity and divide each person of the one God (e.g. trinity) into three separate Gods: The Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost as they stated in the Mormon Articles of Faith, "That these three are separate individuals, physically distinct from each other, is demonstrated by the accepted records of divine dealings with man," (Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, p. 35).
Mormonism is Heresy with a capital H.
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I'm somewhat intrigued by Machew's response that they are saved if they accept Jesus as their savior. Aren't they following a different Jesus? Aren't they following a system of "good works" in order to be saved? Let's see if i follow this correctly, If I accept "a" Jesus as my savior that is taught by some other religion that teaches a completely different pathway to salvation then I'm still saved? How? I might have gotten you wrong so please correct me if I did.
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Isn't it obvious? You must not have gotten their memo. In the view of the cult member, all of us spiritually reborn authentically saved Christians who accurately divide the Word of God in truth are wrong and the cults insist they are right. They want you to develop an "open mind" with regard to their heresy and feel your way to it. Rofl..
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I think that what Machew is refering to is the rare case of special revelation and circumstances which are unlikely, but untimately in the hands of God. Rest assured that if there are any saved "Mormons" they are few, and they aren't true Mormons.
An example I might see is in the case of a disabled person, who is taken to the Mormon ward every week for church. He searches for God and God reaches out to him. He reads and hears the word of God and places his faith and trust in the Jesus of scripture. He is a bit confused by what he hears at church, but he still puts his trust in Jesus. Does God accept his act of faith in spite of the presence of some elements that are heretical? Only God can truly judged, but if it occurs it is rare.
An example I might see is in the case of a disabled person, who is taken to the Mormon ward every week for church. He searches for God and God reaches out to him. He reads and hears the word of God and places his faith and trust in the Jesus of scripture. He is a bit confused by what he hears at church, but he still puts his trust in Jesus. Does God accept his act of faith in spite of the presence of some elements that are heretical? Only God can truly judged, but if it occurs it is rare.
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Personally, I have had deep conversations with 2 mormons in particular whom I believe are saved. There are a lot of things we don't agree in, but I asked them why they do what they do, and they said they want to see people come to Jesus. And these two mormons in particular believe that Jesus is the only way, the truth, and the life. They don't believe they can work to get to heaven, but want to do as much for Him as they can because of His sacrifice. They said they don't even care if the people who become saved come to the mormon church. They just want them to go to A church to be fed, to pray, and read their Bible. They also said they have a very personal relationship with Jesus and were hurt when we asked them so, as if we assumed they didn't.
They were excited about what we were doing for God and I was excited for them too. There was something very honest and vulnerable about them and I and my friend had a peace about them too. You can accept it or deny it and be skeptical, but from my personal experience, I believe I have met 2 that truly are saved and I can't wait to see them again.
They were excited about what we were doing for God and I was excited for them too. There was something very honest and vulnerable about them and I and my friend had a peace about them too. You can accept it or deny it and be skeptical, but from my personal experience, I believe I have met 2 that truly are saved and I can't wait to see them again.
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I hope that you are right. My experience is that they first try to find something that they can use as a bridge. They begin conversation on that with lots of agreement. When they get your trust, they move on to the things that they think that they think you are open regarding and then to the areas of more conflict.
I hope your friends are truly saved and I pray that they will come to a full knowledge of Jesus and the gospel.
I hope your friends are truly saved and I pray that they will come to a full knowledge of Jesus and the gospel.
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lol Yea I could see them trying their methods when talking to the group (a group of TEN of us ministry students) but the constant questions from the group destroyed their efforts of fluidity. And it ended quickly with still no fluidity. But the day after, it was just them, and my very educated friend and I. We had a great time and we were able to break their fluidity attempts again. They were not very experienced either. One was 19 and the other 20. We made it kinda hard for them to follow their training lol
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Rissa77, I hope that really is the case for your mormon friends and that they turn towards the full teachings of the bible.
It's just odd for them or other people to say that "they don't care if the people who become saved come to the mormon church. They just want them to go to A church to be fed, to pray, and read their Bible." - what is it then, that saves a person? For people to say this is like saying: "Oh, it's okay if you go/feed/pray in a buddhist temple, a mosque, or what have you as long as you believe in Jesus and you read the bible. You're still saved." I don't think I can pray to Joseph Smith and Joseph Smith's Jesus and be saved. Believing that Jesus is the only way, the truth, and life in my opinion is a core essential to a person's salvation.
Also, people can have a very deep and personal relationship with a Jesus but it doesn't change the reality that they may have a relationship with the wrong one.
Charisenexcelcis, I suppose salvation is possible in that rare circumstance you gave me and I do hope that is what Machew means. lol
-just my thoughts, no offense intended.
It's just odd for them or other people to say that "they don't care if the people who become saved come to the mormon church. They just want them to go to A church to be fed, to pray, and read their Bible." - what is it then, that saves a person? For people to say this is like saying: "Oh, it's okay if you go/feed/pray in a buddhist temple, a mosque, or what have you as long as you believe in Jesus and you read the bible. You're still saved." I don't think I can pray to Joseph Smith and Joseph Smith's Jesus and be saved. Believing that Jesus is the only way, the truth, and life in my opinion is a core essential to a person's salvation.
Also, people can have a very deep and personal relationship with a Jesus but it doesn't change the reality that they may have a relationship with the wrong one.
Charisenexcelcis, I suppose salvation is possible in that rare circumstance you gave me and I do hope that is what Machew means. lol
-just my thoughts, no offense intended.
Mormons are not Christians. The Jesus they believe in is entirely different from the Jesus of the Bible, as is the God they worship. I have many good Mormons friends but they are not trusting in Jesus Christ of the Bible to be the savior of their sins. They use alot of Christian terms but with entirely different meanings. There is no such thing as a Mormon Christian.
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NO, they are NOT Chrisitians. They SAY they are Christians, but Christians believe that Jesus Christ is God in the flesh, Emmanuel. Mormons do not believe this. They believe that Jesus is Lucifer's spiritual brother and therefore a created being, not the ONE that all things were created through/ (John 1:1-3)
Maggie
And that is only ONE of the very strange things they believe. Mormonism is an offshoot cult of Free Masonry. STAY AWAY FROM IT!
Maggie
And that is only ONE of the very strange things they believe. Mormonism is an offshoot cult of Free Masonry. STAY AWAY FROM IT!