Are muslims really worshiping satan?

[Elijah23]

Maybe you guys are right, watchmen and dannychedid, but let me offer another theory:

Christians, Jews, and Muslims all worship the same God, but Satan tempts the adherents of these religions into pridefulness, so each religion thinks it is superior to the other two. After a while they get on each other’s nerves, and at some point they start fighting with each other.

 

[watchmen]

Maybe you guys are right, watchmen and dannychedid, but let me offer another theory:

Christians, Jews, and Muslims all worship the same God, but Satan tempts the adherents of these religions into pridefulness, so each religion thinks it is superior to the other two. After a while they get on each other’s nerves, and at some point they start fighting with each other.

The thing is I know I am superior to no one, It is Christ who is superior and He said.
John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

There are not many ways to the same God. There is only one way and that is through Jesus Christ. Anyone who is not serving Christ is not serving God.

JESUS IS GOD
Colosians 2
8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:

1st John 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.




Do you believe there in another way to serve God outside of receiving Christ?

 

[Elijah23]

The thing is I know I am superior to no one, It is Christ who is superior and He said.
John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

There are not many ways to the same God. There is only one way and that is through Jesus Christ. Anyone who is not serving Christ is not serving God.

JESUS IS GOD
Colosians 2
8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:

1st John 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.




Do you believe there in another way to serve God outside of receiving Christ?

I believe we must obey Christ’s teachings, and here, in a nutshell, they are:

[34] But when the Pharisees heard that he had silenced the Sad'ducees, they came together.
[35] And one of them, a lawyer, asked him a question, to test him.
[36] "Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?"
[37] And he said to him, "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.
[38] This is the great and first commandment.
[39] And a second is like it, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
[40] On these two commandments depend all the law and the prophets." Matthew 22:34-40 RSV

If a Jew or Muslim obeys Christ’s teachings, haven’t they done as they should?

 

[dannychedid]

but theres a major difference between jews and christians from one side and islam from the other side.
when jesus came he didnt reject what torah said instead he completed the messgae: Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. "matthwe 5: 17". so we believe in torah and bible to be inspired by the holy spirit.
however, the quran considers the holy book was distorted by christians and jews. so islam denied EVERYTHING god did in almost 2000 years by prophets and messengers he sent.
and they say that quran was never distorted!!
that leads to one great question:
wasnt god able to protect the holy book, the work and sacrifice of more than 2000 years so that he sent mohammad?
isnt this an insult to god?
havent they considered asking themselves this question b4 insulting god?

 

[watchmen]

I believe we must obey Christ’s teachings, and here, in a nutshell, they are:

[34] But when the Pharisees heard that he had silenced the Sad'ducees, they came together.
[35] And one of them, a lawyer, asked him a question, to test him.
[36] "Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?"
[37] And he said to him, "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.
[38] This is the great and first commandment.
[39] And a second is like it, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
[40] On these two commandments depend all the law and the prophets." Matthew 22:34-40 RSV

If a Jew or Muslim obeys Christ’s teachings, haven’t they done as they should?

No, Christ taught us that whoever rejects Him He will reject, and that unless you believe He is the I AM you will die in your sins.

Matthew 10
32 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.
33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

John 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

Neither Jews nor Muslim believe Jesus is or confess Him as their Messiah.

 

[CupOfColdWater]

Well to state that " Muslims Worship Satin " intentionally I think they worship satin. The Bible says in many ways the " If your not with God you are against God. "

13"Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

This saying that only few find and will enter through the narrow gates. but If you don't search as it says " and only a few find it " but if you haven't found that gate, that way you are already headed down the other way. there's no 3rd choice

So, because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I am about to spit you out of my mouth.

to answer the question to say that Muslims Worship Satin I would technically say knowingly worship Satin yes because they are blinded into worshiping satin.

 

[Elijah23]

but theres a major difference between jews and christians from one side and islam from the other side.
when jesus came he didnt reject what torah said instead he completed the messgae: Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. "matthwe 5: 17". so we believe in torah and bible to be inspired by the holy spirit.
however, the quran considers the holy book was distorted by christians and jews. so islam denied EVERYTHING god did in almost 2000 years by prophets and messengers he sent.
and they say that quran was never distorted!!
that leads to one great question:
wasnt god able to protect the holy book, the work and sacrifice of more than 2000 years so that he sent mohammad?
isnt this an insult to god?
havent they considered asking themselves this question b4 insulting god?

You and I posted at about the same moment, yours right after mine. I don’t know, therefore, if you read my previous post, which was in response to what watchmen had just said.

Anyway, I know little about Islam, so I really can’t get into a sophisticated debate about what Muslims believe and what they don’t believe.

 

[Elijah23]

No, Christ taught us that whoever rejects Him He will reject, and that unless you believe He is the I AM you will die in your sins.

Matthew 10
32 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.
33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

John 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

Neither Jews nor Muslim believe Jesus is or confess Him as their Messiah.

You and I both believe, I think, that Jesus was God. I would describe Jesus as “God in flesh.”

Jews and Muslims don’t believe that God came down to earth in the flesh, as I understand it, but they could still believe in the same God as we do, couldn’t they?

 

[dannychedid]

but as u say, F THEY OBEY jesus's teachings that would make them followers of jesus and this will make them deniers for their religion, dont u think so?
maybe its simple for u to say this coz u believe in jesus but they (muslims) dont believe in him as god, otherwise, whats the need for mohammad?
and thats the problem my friend, let me tell u few things about their beliefs concerning jesus:
they dont believe he was crucified coz god would never allow any human to hurt his prophets and messengers, which leads to,,they dont believe jesus is god as i mentioned b4, third theres no trinity in islam god is only god to them its like they cant know anything about god, but in bible revealed the secret of trinity to us! and much more things, f i start talking i will never finish

 

[Elijah23]

Well to state that " Muslims Worship Satin " intentionally I think they worship satin. The Bible says in many ways the " If your not with God you are against God. "

13"Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

This saying that only few find and will enter through the narrow gates. but If you don't search as it says " and only a few find it " but if you haven't found that gate, that way you are already headed down the other way. there's no 3rd choice

So, because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I am about to spit you out of my mouth.

to answer the question to say that Muslims Worship Satin I would technically say knowingly worship Satin yes because they are blinded into worshiping satin.

You quote the Bible as saying, “If your not with God you are against God,” but I am sure the Muslims believe they ARE with God, and that if anybody is against him, it is us.

 

[Elijah23]

but as u say, F THEY OBEY jesus's teachings that would make them followers of jesus and this will make them deniers for their religion, dont u think so?
maybe its simple for u to say this coz u believe in jesus but they (muslims) dont believe in him as god, otherwise, whats the need for mohammad?
and thats the problem my friend, let me tell u few things about their beliefs concerning jesus:
they dont believe he was crucified coz god would never allow any human to hurt his prophets and messengers, which leads to,,they dont believe jesus is god as i mentioned b4, third theres no trinity in islam god is only god to them its like they cant know anything about god, but in bible revealed the secret of trinity to us! and much more things, f i start talking i will never finish

Let me ask you this:

One man calls himself a Christian, but neither loves the Lord nor loves his neighbor. A second man calls himself a Muslim, and loves the Lord and loves his neighbor. The Lord is just—who does the Lord think is more worthy of salvation?

 

[dannychedid]

of course the christian wont be worthy of salvation! but for the muslim u have to specify.
is our lord the same as theirs?

 

[Elijah23]

of course the christian wont be worthy of salvation! but for the muslim u have to specify.
is our lord the same as theirs?

I suspect he is, but I guess that is what this debate is all about. Do we worship the same God as Muslims, or not?

 

[watchmen]

You and I both believe, I think, that Jesus was God. I would describe Jesus as “God in flesh.”

Jews and Muslims don’t believe that God came down to earth in the flesh, as I understand it, but they could still believe in the same God as we do, couldn’t they?

No they couldn;t My God is Jesus Christ Father, Son, and holy Spirit, the fullness of the Godhead bodily. They do not believe on Christ, therefore they do not believe in the same God as I.

 

[imoss]

amen watchmen!

 

[Barthalomew]

My friends lets not point to our muslim brothers weather they worship the rifgt God or Satan. Let us look at it the other way, if we christain worship the true God then why are we not able to make peace, or why are we not able to bring them into our faith.
Historically the muslims originalted from Ishmael the elder brother of Issac. He was not the promised seed of God. But God belssed him in riches and in fleshy desires. God loves Ishameal too but in the end he does evil, so the dislike is always there so God Loves Jacob and he establishes his covenant with Abraham seed and not the seed what the Ismaelite think of.
Now all the religion of the world is man mad, except chritainity which is the only spiritual book about the story of God our Lord Jesus. Many Muslims want to be free by the bond woman, but they cannot due to evil; messengers who have held them in captive, there is no freedom.
There are many tribes in this world which proclaims Man, Animal or Satan as God. We being christain worship beast sometimes, you may say how do I. look at the anti-christ he that is Satan attacks the christains first. He disguises in the Trinity or false gospel and is worshipped by christian world. We look at it in this way then how much difference there is bewtween them and us. The only thing is that we have christain name, speak englsih fluently, and we have a little bit of Jesus in us. That seperates us from the unbeleivers of Christ. But dont forget that the unbeleivers is also refered to the christain world too, when they dont accept christ eaching and follow them.

GOD BLESS YOU
Barthalomew

 

[watchmen]

My friends lets not point to our muslim brothers weather they worship the rifgt God or Satan. Let us look at it the other way, if we christain worship the true God then why are we not able to make peace, or why are we not able to bring them into our faith.

Your first question is easy #1 Why are we not able to make peace? That is easy Satan hates God, therefore muslims will never be at peace with us no matter how much we show them love, they will take it for weakness and attack the more fiercely. Your second question is a little more complex #2 Why are we not able to bring them into our faith? I think Paul says it best in 2nd Corinthians.
2 Cor 4
3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

They will not convert because they have been blinded by the god of this world the very god they serve believing him to be the one true god they called Allah, when in reality his name is Lucifer.

 

[happynGod]

Good post watchmen!

 

[songster]

To reject Jesus, as the Son of God and the only way of salvation, seals the unfortunate fate of all religions who deny the savior. The price for reconciliation between God and man was very high. There are muslims , or Islamic members, who have converted to Christianity and believed in the Lord, but those who reject the Christ have blinded their eyes to the truth. To say that God has no Son, is to reject the plan of salvation. No one, not even the most peaceful of buddhist monks, is exempt.

During my 5 years in Japan, I appreciated the beauty of the temple architecture and cultural differences. When in the Philippines, I appreciated the hospitality, and the friendliness of those I met, but in these and other countries, while their may have been genuine friendliness and much aesthetic beauty, I know that one day there will not be one stone left upon another.

It is not this world’s friendliness, love or good deeds that will make them worthy of salvation. Our moral codes and sense of right and wrong are irrelevant according to His word. Earthly righteousness, both theirs and ours, is worthless in the eyes of God, and if we’re familiar with the scriptures, we know that true righteousness can only be obtained through Jesus Christ.

Those who have rejected Jesus, as God’s Son, have closed the only doorway to Heaven. Those who have rejected the Son, have rejected the Father, who has given all things into the hands of his only begotten Son , Jesus.

John 2:23
…No one who denies the Son, has the Father, and whoever acknowledges the Son, has the Father also…

John 3:36
…He who has faith in the Son, has eternal life; but he who does not have faith in the Son, will not see life, but God’s wrath is resting on him…

John 14:6
…No one comes to the Father except through me…

IJohn 5:12
…He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life…

 

[dannychedid]

and ill tell u few things going around here about bringing muslims into our faith! lets take morocco as an example. in this country, 99% of population is muslims and 1% jews (i mean arabs). in the last few years, arising missionary movements have taken place in morocco. about 8000 moroccans have converted from islam into christianity. not to mention algeria and tunisia. and f u follow up with the news, u will know about saudi arabians who r accepting jesus christ in their lives and leaving islam. f u ask them y, they say: "in christianity u find PEACE that u never find in islam. PEACE of mind, inner PEACE...
these newborn brothers and sisters cant just walk in the street and yell, "ive become christian", islam doesnt accept out-leaving islam.