Are the words of Jesus not for Christians?

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Marcelo

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do you believe Jesus is the way, the truth and the life?
Yes, Jesus has always been the way, the truth and the life. You must pay attention to this: after the ressurrection Jesus couldn't preach on Earth, so he used Paul as spokesman
 
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lenna

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Yes, Jesus has always been the way, the truth and the life. You must pay attention to this: after the ressurrection Jesus couldn't preach on Earth, so he used Paul as spokesman
well that's great. at least you understand that
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Yes, Jesus has always been the way, the truth and the life. You must pay attention to this: after the ressurrection Jesus couldn't preach on Earth, so he used Paul as spokesman
Just paul? What about peter and janes and John? And so many others?
 
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Funny thing is that many Bible interpreters say there is no contradiction between Jesus and Paul, but they don't obey a number of teachings the Lord gave to the Jews. They don't keep the Sabbath, they don't give away all their possessions, they don't sacrifice animals (Jesus told the man heald of leprosy to do animal sacrifice), they don't obey any scribe or Pharisee, etc.

Theologians write thousands of books saying Jesus and Paul preached the exact same thing, but they don't write a single line to justify why they actually follow Paul and not Jesus in some points of doctrine.
Ahem
Paul said he followed Jesus.

So paul was way off huh?
 
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lenna

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But that way unto salvation was not fully known until the Lord revealed it to the Apostle Paul.;)
so all the disciples of Jesus knew nothing about the gospel until Paul, a number of years after Jesus went back to His Father, revealed it to them?

no wonder you dudes want to exclude Acts LOL!

smh
 
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lenna

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Just paul? What about peter and janes and John? And so many others?
and keeping in mind that Paul didn't start his ministry until about 2 yrs later

you can't make this nonsense up. better, these Pauline folks do not seem to see how ridiculous their claims are
 
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no idea what you are on about

do you believe Jesus is the way, the truth and the life?

yes or no. He said that in the gospels and either He is still the way, the truth and the life or He was only those things 2000 years ago and if only 2000 years ago, than woe is me and everyone else who believes He is the risen son of God
I can tell you they get their deal from a workbook.
It has convinced them that Jesus original mission failed and the cross was a back up plan.
They think Jesus came to establish a kingdom on earth.
They think because the disciples were confused about Jesus dbr and person that that makes the 4 gospels confused as well.
.....and that Jesus reaching out to the Jews first makes the Gospel he preached boggus.
Thet They believe Jesus was focused on the law and bringing the Jew into some new kingdom on earth under the law.

They also believe all the apostles, save paul,were heretics and their purpose and vision was to bring men into bondage of the law.

That is from miles Stanford "greens letters" and les feldick's teachings.
(The two main Pauline only radical reformers of the bible)

It is most likely a Spirit operating in them. Because you can stick their nose right in truth that blows huge holes in their deal and they deflect,reframe,or just plain skip those verses.
 
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so all the disciples of Jesus knew nothing about the gospel until Paul, a number of years after Jesus went back to His Father, revealed it to them?

no wonder you dudes want to exclude Acts LOL!

smh
Not only acts but peter and james as well
 
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and keeping in mind that Paul didn't start his ministry until about 2 yrs later

you can't make this nonsense up. better, these Pauline folks do not seem to see how ridiculous their claims are
Peter had the revelation of the gospel opening to the gentiles before Paul.
 
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lenna

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It is most likely a Spirit operating in them. Because you can stick their nose right in truth that blows huge holes in their deal and they deflect,reframe,or just plain skip those verses.
no disagreement from me

teaching spirits and I don't mean the Holy Spirit

4 The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.
I Timothy 4:1

IMO, if you find no value in Jesus words and teach others the same, you have been led astray
 
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He prophesied a couple of times to his disciples, yet none of his disciples understood anything what he was saying because the truth was hid from them. Neither Jesus nor his disciples went about preaching the gospel that Paul preached, how Christ died for our sin, was buried and rose again the third day. No one can be eternally saved other than through that message.
Pure baloney
Jesus preached
1) born again
2)dbr
3)no other way to heaven but the Son.

Your need to reframe scripture is appalling
 

John146

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so all the disciples of Jesus knew nothing about the gospel until Paul, a number of years after Jesus went back to His Father, revealed it to them?

no wonder you dudes want to exclude Acts LOL!

smh
Acts 15 is the council meeting when it was determined what Paul preached to the Gentiles would be the truth for even the Jews. They both would be saved in the same manner. No more gospel of the circumcision as Peter preached.
 

John146

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Pure baloney
Jesus preached
1) born again
2)dbr
3)no other way to heaven but the Son.

Your need to reframe scripture is appalling
Scripture reference please...

No one understood that Christ was going to die on the cross, be buried and resurrect the third day before it occurred.