Are these sins?

[phil112]

We aren't your governor or tutors. That is between you and God.

Then you are not obedient to Christ.
1 Corinthians 5:12 "[SUP] [/SUP]For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?"

To the OP, Paul lays it out for us in Galatians 5:19-21 "[SUP] [/SUP]Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, [SUP] [/SUP]Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,[SUP] [/SUP]Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

 

[2Thewaters]

Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

what do you do?


Paul talked about circumcision is done but that the law is not done
instead the law is established

it is clear Romans is about circumcision and Jewish rights and the ten commandments remain

this is how Romans ends

Rom 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,
Rom 16:26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:


he ends romans with

KEEP ON KEEPING THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD!
forget circumcision
keep the commandments

learn to read in context is my advice.

do you preach the PROPHETS habbakuk zephania amos obadiah zechariah Joel to the world
or did you DISOBEY and throw them out?

this dispensation stuff is all twisted now

you believe and follow the whole Bible except for circumcision and sacrifices

that is the truth
anything else is a false gospel

 

[gb9]

that is funny you said read in context. let's talk some context. what did the council with Paul and Peter in Acts decide about gentiles, which is a non-jew, . that we do not do sexual sins, idolatry , blood. you do understand this right?

 

[Bookends]

Masturbation without watching porn and without thinking about anyone else than just yourself and your own body
Gambling and lottery
Worrying
Anxiety
Depression
Fearing
Lying in emergency (for example, if a murderer is looking for your friend, you have to save your friends life by lying to the murderer, and also if someone is about to bully you, then you have to lie so they don't bully you)

Are these things sins?

1 John 3

22 And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing in His sight.

Would you masturbate in front of Jesus?

 

[gb9]

also, Jesus said a new command I give you: love each other as I have loved you. Christ also gave the Royal Law as how to obey. see, if you love God you will not have idols, take his name in vain,etc. if you love your neighbor, you won't steal, covet, etc. you guys just take the O.T., put it in a blender, and start pouring out random law- keeping.

 

[Dan_473]

1 John 3

22 And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing in His sight.

Would you masturbate in front of Jesus?

Interesting point. Well, would you urinate or defecate there? Only a few people think those things are sins... Grace and peace to all!

 

[john832]

I don't really think that playing the lottery OCASSIONALLY is a sin, but I never have because I think that if I buy one ticket then I will have bought into the possibility that I could win. And it turn might start buying them all the time.

The problem I have with the lottery or any gambling is that it is a perversion and profaning of a sacred method God used to reveal His will. Casting lots.

 

[john832]

also, Jesus said a new command I give you: love each other as I have loved you. Christ also gave the Royal Law as how to obey. see, if you love God you will not have idols, take his name in vain,etc. if you love your neighbor, you won't steal, covet, etc. you guys just take the O.T., put it in a blender, and start pouring out random law- keeping.

I hear this over and over again, if you really have love, you won't do these things. The problem is, this is not scriptural, Paul says this...

Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am carnal, sold under sin.
Rom 7:15 For what I am doing, I do not understand. For what I will to do, that I do not practice; but what I hate, that I do.
Rom 7:16 If, then, I do what I will not to do, I agree with the law that it is good.
Rom 7:17 But now, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me.
Rom 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) nothing good dwells; for to will is present with me, but how to perform what is good I do not find.
Rom 7:19 For the good that I will to do, I do not do; but the evil I will not to do, that I practice.
Rom 7:20 Now if I do what I will not to do, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me.
Rom 7:21 I find then a law, that evil is present with me, the one who wills to do good.
Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man.
Rom 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death?

And he penned this twenty-some years AFTER his conversion.

 

[gb9]

see, good works are not the cause of salvation, it is the result. so if you are really in Christ, you will desire to do good. you will mess up, but your heart should be pointed to doing right. now buying a lottery ticket from time to time is not a sin as long as it does not become an addiction or take away from responsibility of family or Church. a dollar ticket does not make a person a degenerate gambler.

 

[secularhermit]

Please don't be so hard on her!! afterall, Sara did lie to the Egyptians in order to save Abraham's life.

Genesis 12:11-13
12:16-20
20:11

She lied, but she also was his sister (half sister). Just giving her alibies...

 

[john832]

see, good works are not the cause of salvation, it is the result. so if you are really in Christ, you will desire to do good. you will mess up, but your heart should be pointed to doing right. now buying a lottery ticket from time to time is not a sin as long as it does not become an addiction or take away from responsibility of family or Church. a dollar ticket does not make a person a degenerate gambler.

I agree, good works do not earn salvation. Salvation is not the result of obedience. What is the result of disobedience? Salvation?

 

[gb9]

o.k, here is the thing: is it willful disobedience or a mistake? God knows ours hearts. do we have the ability to be honest with ourselves and obey the promptings of the Holy Sprit? yes sir, I agree with you a Christian cannot consistently willfully disobey. either they are not saved or have walked away. but do you think a Christian can struggle with sin?

 

[RedTent]

Lying comes from Satan I don't want any part of His way. God is truth and He promises protection to those who walk in His way. where is the Faith of modern Israel today?

Have you read the story of Corrie ten Boom? She often lied yet she followed Christ in spirit and truth. If she hadn't lied, she would hot have been following Christ. There are even times where murder of someone if the Christian thing to do. If a person who is dead in their sin is going to murder a brother or sister in Christ and you can prevent it in any way, you are to do it. Governments are even given the authority to protect all other people from those who have proven that they are a danger to others by having committed murder. That is because it is expressing love for others.

 

[john832]

Have you read the story of Corrie ten Boom? She often lied yet she followed Christ in spirit and truth. If she hadn't lied, she would hot have been following Christ. There are even times where murder of someone if the Christian thing to do. If a person who is dead in their sin is going to murder a brother or sister in Christ and you can prevent it in any way, you are to do it. Governments are even given the authority to protect all other people from those who have proven that they are a danger to others by having committed murder. That is because it is expressing love for others.

I cannot agree with this, period.

 

[Bookends]

Interesting point. Well, would you urinate or defecate there? Only a few people think those things are sins... Grace and peace to all!

These are nature bodily functions that can't be helped. They aren't designed for self gratification but to sustain life, even if you feel relieved after you do them.

 

[john832]

Have you read the story of Corrie ten Boom? She often lied yet she followed Christ in spirit and truth. If she hadn't lied, she would hot have been following Christ. There are even times where murder of someone if the Christian thing to do. If a person who is dead in their sin is going to murder a brother or sister in Christ and you can prevent it in any way, you are to do it. Governments are even given the authority to protect all other people from those who have proven that they are a danger to others by having committed murder. That is because it is expressing love for others.

We have an example...

Dan 3:4 Then an herald cried aloud, To you it is commanded, O people, nations, and languages,
Dan 3:5 That at what time ye hear the sound of the cornet, flute, harp, sackbut, psaltery, dulcimer, and all kinds of musick, ye fall down and worship the golden image that Nebuchadnezzar the king hath set up:
Dan 3:6 And whoso falleth not down and worshippeth shall the same hour be cast into the midst of a burning fiery furnace.

Dan 3:12 There are certain Jews whom thou hast set over the affairs of the province of Babylon, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego; these men, O king, have not regarded thee: they serve not thy gods, nor worship the golden image which thou hast set up.
Dan 3:13 Then Nebuchadnezzar in his rage and fury commanded to bring Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego. Then they brought these men before the king.
Dan 3:14 Nebuchadnezzar spake and said unto them, Is it true, O Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, do not ye serve my gods, nor worship the golden image which I have set up?
Dan 3:15 Now if ye be ready that at what time ye hear the sound of the cornet, flute, harp, sackbut, psaltery, and dulcimer, and all kinds of musick, ye fall down and worship the image which I have made; well: but if ye worship not, ye shall be cast the same hour into the midst of a burning fiery furnace; and who is that God that shall deliver you out of my hands?

Dan 3:16 Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, answered and said to the king, O Nebuchadnezzar, we are not careful to answer thee in this matter.
Dan 3:17 If it be so, our God whom we serve is able to deliver us from the burning fiery furnace, and he will deliver us out of thine hand, O king.
Dan 3:18 But if not, be it known unto thee, O king, that we will not serve thy gods, nor worship the golden image which thou hast set up.

There were willing to be burned up rather than compromise. Sometimes we are faced with tough choices. That is how we develop Godly character, choosing the right despite the consequences.

 

[Dan_473]

These are nature bodily functions that can't be helped. They aren't designed for self gratification but to sustain life, even if you feel relieved after you do them.

hmmm... do you know what body functions are designed for? ... did God tell you?... I'm serious... maybe he did... I'm interested... Anyways, in my experience, most people need some kind of regular sexual release in order to have good health and a positive attitude... grace and peace!

 

[StoneThrower]

Masturbation without watching porn and without thinking about anyone else than just yourself and your own body
Gambling and lottery
Worrying
Anxiety
Depression
Fearing
Lying in emergency (for example, if a murderer is looking for your friend, you have to save your friends life by lying to the murderer, and also if someone is about to bully you, then you have to lie so they don't bully you)

Are these things sins?

YES, yes they are!
Gambling and lottery (Covetness and greed)
Worrying & Fearing, Anxiety (Not trusting in Christ)
Depression (ussually based on self focus and not being grateful for Gods provision)
Lying there are other ways and God word says all liars will have their part in the lake of fire.
Sex outside of marrige is still that God killed a man for shooting his seed on the ground in the Bible
Justifing sin or looking to justify it is sin and leads downward, Repenting is the first step torward change and asking for help from God.

 

[StoneThrower]

But what if you are single and there is no way to handle sexual urges? And why is it not okay to think about yourself only during masturbation when it's not really possible to self-lust?

Because your not looking to God for pleasure, your looking to the creation, rather than the creator, also if you burn with lust get married. You know its wrong but are looking for something or someone to ease the guilt.

 

[StoneThrower]

Eternal Security says they are not sins.

--Eternal Security says there is nothing a Christian can do to be lost, becoming lost is an impossibility.

--Sin is the very reason men will be lost

--Ergo, these things must not be sin if a Christian can commit them and yet not be lost.

Sir, you know not what you speak. I realize you want a bully pulpit for your false beliefs, but if you read anything about eternal security you would understand that those who have it repent not once and done, but continue to as they sin and those that have it do not sin so that grace may abound.

Perhaps you might want to read up on it instead of just spewing about things you know nothing about. It leaves you looking, acting and sounding like a nabal.