Are we still suppose to keep all Ten Commandments?

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Blackpowderduelist

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I'm not sure why Christians are always looking for something to do. Do and don't, and where is the line. Love the Lord, he by his spirit will keep you and direct you. Pray and read his word, that will convert you.
 
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The Holy Spirit who indwells believers does not express a desire to sin and keep on sinning. I have never met a single Christian who believed or taught that we can sin and do whatever we want. So perhaps the Christians you are referring to live mostly in your imagination or on message boards.

Which Christians are you referring to when you say your post is for them? There is a world of difference between saying we are no longer judged by the law and stating the commandments are not valid.
People who say that (saved can sin all they want thing) don't understand salvation. This is all the result of the alter call sinners repeat after me follow the bouncing ball pray. This is what modern revivalism has brought.
The saved are the converted not those who one time said a repeat after me thing.
 

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People who say that (saved can sin all they want thing) don't understand salvation. This is all the result of the alter call sinners repeat after me follow the bouncing ball pray. This is what modern revivalism has brought.
The saved are the converted not those who one time said a repeat after me thing.
I would not paint with such a broad brush. But reasons for that would be for another thread. However, that does not change what I said and you are not saying so either.

Salvation is always the same, there is no alternate route to God. Believers are then sealed with the Holy Spirit. I will say again, I have not ever come across anyone believing that you can still sin all you want. And I am well travelled.
 
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People who say that (saved can sin all they want thing) don't understand salvation. This is all the result of the alter call sinners repeat after me follow the bouncing ball pray. This is what modern revivalism has brought.
The saved are the converted not those who one time said a repeat after me thing.
Seems to me the only people who say this are those who are judging others of saying this.

I have never met anyone who thinks it is perfectly ok to continue in sin
 
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I would not paint with such a broad brush. But reasons for that would be for another thread. However, that does not change what I said and you are not saying so either.

Salvation is always the same, there is no alternate route to God. Believers are then sealed with the Holy Spirit. I will say again, I have not ever come across anyone believing that you can still sin all you want. And I am well travelled.
My statement was of agreement.
 
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I would not paint with such a broad brush. But reasons for that would be for another thread. However, that does not change what I said and you are not saying so either.

Salvation is always the same, there is no alternate route to God. Believers are then sealed with the Holy Spirit. I will say again, I have not ever come across anyone believing that you can still sin all you want. And I am well travelled.
Im sorry I confused you I know if a person is saved their is no sin in them because in Christ is no sin so commandments against sin don't apply for people truly born again. I was wondering what commandments people still think are valid like keeping seventh day Sabbath.
 

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The whole Law. Let me explain why.

Israel have a Covenant of Promise, made 430 years earlier that the Covenant of Law at Horeb. This first Covenant PROMISES to give the seed of Abraham a Land. But once they came into this Land they were to (i) host the presence of the Almighty, and (ii) live a certain way before the nations surrounding them. The Covenant of Law primarily caused Israel to be ritually clean to serve a Holy God. Secondly, it cased them to live in a way that did not pollute the earth as the Canaanites did, and thirdly it was a testimony of God's righteousness and subsequent blessing before the Nations.

But Israel did not keep the Law. They were UN-holy before a Holy God, they defiled the Land with idols, sexual offenses and violence, especially against the weak, and they displayed Satan's unrighteousness rather than God's righteousness. They took the habits and traditions of the heathen around them. God chastised and chastised them and finally ejected them from the Land.

The New Testament presents a totally different scene. Here, God raises up a People, not to dwell WITH them, but to dwell IN them. No longer would the Law be enough to make a man righteous enough to host a Holy God LIVING IN HIM. It is one thing to be near God. He can always put up a Curtian, or Veil, but to have Him IN us is totally another thing. So God, to deal with the problem of the flesh, does TWO things;
  1. He sends His Son Jesus to die for the sins of men so that He could have judicial grounds to forgive our offenses
  2. He sends His Son Jesus to be a Man under Law to fulfill it and establish a perfect righteousness for a Man
Then, Jehovah takes the sinful and unclean man and APPLIES BOTH to him. If a man believes in Jesus and what He did, and confesses it, God IMPUTES Christ's substitutionary death and IMPUTES Christ's righteous life to the believer. Then, God, to make sure He is not offended, counts the believer to be IN Christ and thus the believer was, IN Christ, killed with Christ (Rom.6:1-6; Gal.2:20). Although he is still alive, by being in Christ, God causes the believer's unclean flesh to be annulled and dead. There is NOTHING the Christian must add to this to be holy before God. If the Christian tries to do something to be holy, he is, in effect, saying that Christ's life was not good enough, and God was wrong to impute Christ's righteousness to him, seeing that he can establish a better one himself. And THAT, is why the language of Galatians is so strong. Any man or woman who has believed in Christ, and who returns to the Law, is declaring that HIS/HER efforts are better than Christ's.

But there is another problem. The New Man that God raised up is made from EX-Gentiles and Ex-Jews (the "TWO" of Ephesians 2:15). But the Law of Moses forbids the Jew from having any relations with the Gentiles. This would destroy the unity in the Church that Jesus prayed for in John 17:21-23. So our Lord Jesus takes the Law onto the cross with Him. This means that if you are a Jew, and REJECT Jesus, the Law is still valid for you. If you are an EX-Jew who has embraced the work and Person of Christ, the Law is dead, gone, abolished. Why do I say "EX-Jew?" It is because 2nd Corinthians 5:17 says that if you are IN Christ, your past is wiped out. Everything is New! So Galatians 3:28 and Colossians 3:11 show that there is NO ETHNICITY in the New Man. There are only EX-Jews and EX-Gentiles in the New Man.

The objection will at once arise that Israel are under another Covenant - that made with Abraham for the Land of Canaan, AND ETHNICITY IS EVERYTHING - seeing as it entitles one to a Covenant and its promises. This, God takes care of in the same sovereign way. By making us IN Christ. Galatians 3:28, as shown above, denies any ethnicity in the New Man. But the very next verse, verse 29 shows how by being Christ's - Who is the Promised Seed of Abraham (v.16) - we are made HEIRS. That is, those in Christ have their ethnicity wiped out, but get a NEW ONE - the Top and Chief Seed of Abraham, Jesus. And not only are both believing Jew and believing Gentile made seed of Abraham by being Christ's, but the Promise is expanded from Canaan to the "the whole world" (Rom.4:13).

But now that Law is abolished, how shall the Christian live. Romans 8 tells us. Christ has come to live in us. He is that Spirit of John 7:39 and 1st Corinthians 15:45. He speaks from our spirit where He dwells - on ALL MATTERS. Shall you kill. Be lead by the Spirit in your spirit. Should you forgive a certain man. Ask the Spirit in your spirit. How long should your hair be? Ask the Spirit. Should you be a missionary, or which woman should you marry? Ask the Spirit. Are you allowed to watch TV and/or drive a Mercedes Benz. Can you have a whiskey on your birthday? Is my dress too long or too short? AS THE SPIRIT IN YOUR SPIRIT. In this way, your LIFE will be dictated to by THE LIFE of Christ IN YOU. To one he allows 20 failures and then chastises. To another He only allows 5. To one He gives 10 talents, to another He gives 5. Christ, together with His perfect life, dwells in you and that is your LAW - the "Law of LIFE in Christ Jesus". Moses gave about 20 Laws. The New Testament has 2,400 commands. Your daily life over ten years might require 5,000 answers. They should all be in accordance with Christ IN YOU.

As Summary;
The Law is good, spiritual and God-given (Rom.7)
The Law is ONLY GIVEN TO ISRAEL
The Law could not make a man holy because the man was weak
God allowed His Son to be under Law and establish a perfect righteousness that a fallen man could not
God IMPUTES this righteousness to a Believer
The Jew is still under this Law, but the Believer is not
Any Believer who places him/herself under the Law is saying that Christ's life was inadequate for righteousness
Any Believer who says this defies God Who has approved this righteousness
Any believer who defies God's appraisal of Christ insults both God and Jesus
Any believer who uses Law has (i) fallen from GRACE, and (ii) made the work of Christ OF NONE EFFECT
No man can be justified by Law
I agree, except for stating WHEN God sent His Son, Jesus. Jesus was at creation, the entire sacrificial system was about Jesus. Also, the Jews believe in grace. It was Christ and grace that has always been the way for forgiveness. It is AFTER grace that the law is important to the Jews, for after we are forgiven the Lord gives us His spirit and that spirit is righteous and sinless. God cannot live with sin, now or then.

In the first chapter of Isaiah it tells us that unless the sacrifices were using for the forgiveness of sin, the Lord hated it.

If you will read the Psalms, a Jewish book, you will see how forgiveness is thought of. It is through grace, not law.
 

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My statement was of agreement.

oh sorry. I knew that. Didn't mean to put a negative spin on it. Just the broad brush meaning too wide an application , I did say you were not saying otherwise. OK. I think we pretty much agree here.
 
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I agree, except for stating WHEN God sent His Son, Jesus. Jesus was at creation, the entire sacrificial system was about Jesus. Also, the Jews believe in grace. It was Christ and grace that has always been the way for forgiveness. It is AFTER grace that the law is important to the Jews, for after we are forgiven the Lord gives us His spirit and that spirit is righteous and sinless. God cannot live with sin, now or then.

In the first chapter of Isaiah it tells us that unless the sacrifices were using for the forgiveness of sin, the Lord hated it.

If you will read the Psalms, a Jewish book, you will see how forgiveness is thought of. It is through grace, not law.
I try to read Psalms 123 - 131 everyday.
Split up through out the day
 

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Ultimateprepper said:
My post was for the Christians who think gods commandments are not valid. That somehow we have no statutes to follow. Christ sacrifice frees us from condemnation of sin not gods righteous statutes. Without them we wouldn't know how to live.


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The Holy Spirit who indwells believers does not express a desire to sin and keep on sinning. I have never met a single Christian who believed or taught that we can sin and do whatever we want. So perhaps the Christians you are referring to live mostly in your imagination or on message boards.

Which Christians are you referring to when you say your post is for them? There is a world of difference between saying we are no longer judged by the law and stating the commandments are not valid.


You avoided my question of which Christians you are referring to and say that you confused me. Odd way of handling it IMO.
 
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Ultimateprepper said:
My post was for the Christians who think gods commandments are not valid. That somehow we have no statutes to follow. Christ sacrifice frees us from condemnation of sin not gods righteous statutes. Without them we wouldn't know how to live.


I said:
The Holy Spirit who indwells believers does not express a desire to sin and keep on sinning. I have never met a single Christian who believed or taught that we can sin and do whatever we want. So perhaps the Christians you are referring to live mostly in your imagination or on message boards.

Which Christians are you referring to when you say your post is for them? There is a world of difference between saying we are no longer judged by the law and stating the commandments are not valid.


You avoided my question of which Christians you are referring to and say that you confused me. Odd way of handling it IMO.
Sorry for confusion is what I meant and I never said holy spirit desires to sin for in the spirit is no sin nor does the spirit tempt anyone to sin. I was talking about Christians who don't think Gods commandments are valid because they say they're saved by grace through faith. I keep Gods commandments in my heart where he put them after the final sacrifice.
 
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I agree, except for stating WHEN God sent His Son, Jesus. Jesus was at creation, the entire sacrificial system was about Jesus. Also, the Jews believe in grace. It was Christ and grace that has always been the way for forgiveness. It is AFTER grace that the law is important to the Jews, for after we are forgiven the Lord gives us His spirit and that spirit is righteous and sinless. God cannot live with sin, now or then.

In the first chapter of Isaiah it tells us that unless the sacrifices were using for the forgiveness of sin, the Lord hated it.

If you will read the Psalms, a Jewish book, you will see how forgiveness is thought of. It is through grace, not law.
Rev. 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. O look saved believers keeping Gods commandments even at the end of days I guess they should have listened to you and all who agree with you that they don't need to do that I guess true believers never learn.
 
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I like your view and I want to add and clarify that i started this post because some believe the 10 commandments are nailed to cross and no longer valid and a curse. What was done away with was the condemnation for sin by the sacrifice of Jesus Christ our Lord. Rom. 7:8 I thank God through Jesus Christ our lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of GOD; but with the flesh the law of sin. Notice the distinction two separate laws quoted in that verse. Rom. 8:1-9 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the spirit. 2 For the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: 4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the spirit. 5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the spirit the things of the spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of GOD, neither indeed can be. 8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. 9 But yea are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. I think that clearly states we are free from sin and death and no longer under that curse which Jesus's sacrifice fufilled. To say Gods righteous Laws which are a blessing are a curse and nailed to cross is heresy. Heb. 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of god; 14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. 15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before, 16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the LORD; I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; 17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more. 26 For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins. I think this explains beautifully how god reconciled us through his sacrifice and perfects us through his spirit in the new covenant which the failure of the old covenant wasn't gods commandments but that we were weak in the flesh. John 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
Can you lose your salvation by breaking one of the Ten Commandments?
 
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Sorry for confusion is what I meant and I never said holy spirit desires to sin for in the spirit is no sin nor does the spirit tempt anyone to sin. I was talking about Christians who don't think Gods commandments are valid because they say they're saved by grace through faith. I keep Gods commandments in my heart where he put them after the final sacrifice.
Again what christian says this?
 
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Can you lose your salvation by breaking one of the Ten Commandments?
Heb. 10:26 For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins. That's what Gods word says but I find it hard to believe that a born again Christian would return to a life of sin after being freed maybe some just lose their faith.
 
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I agree, except for stating WHEN God sent His Son, Jesus. Jesus was at creation, the entire sacrificial system was about Jesus. Also, the Jews believe in grace. It was Christ and grace that has always been the way for forgiveness. It is AFTER grace that the law is important to the Jews, for after we are forgiven the Lord gives us His spirit and that spirit is righteous and sinless. God cannot live with sin, now or then.

In the first chapter of Isaiah it tells us that unless the sacrifices were using for the forgiveness of sin, the Lord hated it.

If you will read the Psalms, a Jewish book, you will see how forgiveness is thought of. It is through grace, not law.
I'm constrained to leave it at that. That is a lot of agreement. But I must comment on forgiveness. Ten times in Leviticus does the phrase, "and it will be forgiven him" appear. And every time it is connected to a sacrifice. Forgiveness is certainly an issue of Law. Christ, as you have rightly said, is the center and substance of the sacrificial system, and the sacrificial system is the pillars of the Law. The Law demands justice, and justice is only established when somebody pays for transgression, even for the first Covenant of Law (Heb.9:15). The contrast is spectacular in John 1:17.

"For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ."

But I think in the main, we agree.
 

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Heb. 10:26 For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins. That's what Gods word says but I find it hard to believe that a born again Christian would return to a life of sin after being freed maybe some just lose their faith.
Well check the context of this.. the kind of sacrifice running through chapter 10 is mostly animal sacrifice
 
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Can you lose your salvation by breaking one of the Ten Commandments?
A man goes before the judge for speeding at over 100 kmh/60 mph above the speed limit. The Law does not like men like this. But can we "UN-MAN" him? No. His BIRTH is not reversible. But we can chastise him severely. The Christian is born of the Holy Spirit BECAUSE of Christ's work. No matter how naughty he is, and how many stripes he gets and how many years in jail he gets, he cannot be UN-BORN. If a man is saved by faith, can he be un-saved by works? If a man is saved by what Christ did, and which the Father has approved, can a man undo this work by his puny evil? Can the Bible call salvation, "an eternal salvation" (Heb.5:9) when it is not eternal and can end?