Are You Self Righteous?

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Elizabeth619

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Luke 18:9-14

Two men went up into the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. The Pharisee, standing by himself, prayed thus: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other men, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I get.’ But the tax collector, standing far off, would not even lift up his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, ‘God, be merciful to me, a sinner!’ ...
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Nobody can be self righteous for God said our righteousness is as filthy rags,and there is none that does good,no not one,and all are sinners and come short of the glory of God.

The only way we can be righteous is by the Holy Spirit and then God gets the glory.

For someone to act as if they are morally superior is against the Bible for God said what makes you different than another person.God talks against people who think they are holier than thou and nobody can act like that even if they have better morals for God gets the glory and if they think they are superior than it does not come from the Spirit.

God said if any person thinks they stand,take heed lest you fall.

We live in the last days where the Bible said would be many hypocritical people claiming to be with Christ who live somewhat like the world,and it is true I do not see many people who care about the poor and homeless.

But it must be so and eventually the New Age religion's interpretation of Christianity will be the fundamental Christianity in the world where all religions will accept it for Jesus is not the Savior but a teacher of truth as well as other teachers and is based on nature worship that exalts man that God warns us about in 1 Timothy 4.God is saying do not follow that interpretation that the New Age religion is dishing out.

[SUP]9 [/SUP]And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others:
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted(Luke 18:9-14).
 
Elizabeth619

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One common example is "You don't believe how I do so you are not a true Christian" or "your church is of the devil"
I see that ALOT on here.
It is one thing to correct someone if they are misinformed on scripture, but not even the most biblicaly educated person on the planet has all the answers.
 
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unfortunately i don't think anyone here would come and admit that they are self righteous, but self righteous is taking things in your own hands, like what alot of people do instead of letting God live the life for them through his spirit
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I agree, they would not admit it.

but many people say one thing, yet preach and practice another.
 
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Elizabeth619 said:
I think the problem is some people have the wrong idea about Christianity. Coming to Christ doesnt make you better than others. We still fall short. We still have temptation. We aren't superior to others, and when we give that persona then we do more harm than good.
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Amen sister!

This is shown by the thread I opened about which person was more evil. Although many said they were equal. Some said certain sinners were more evil.

We all, no matter what particular sins we may have, are underserving, No one is more righteous than anyone else.

This is the problem with trying to follow the law. We see ourselves as moral. and law breakers as immoral.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
I agree, they would not admit it.

but many people say one thing, yet preach and practice another.
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I'll admit it! How many times have I argued over the rapture, gifts, homosexuality, abortion, politics, gun control, etc as if I am right and those who disagree are wrong? TONS
I didn't realize how self righteous I was until I actually read a couple threads here that actually was hurtful. I guess I kinda got what I asked for in a way, but it was enough to wake me up and see my own error.
 
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Elizabeth619 said:
I am pro life all the way, but there are ways to point out right from wrong without condemning others
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This is where the church is failing.

We all have sin, we do not need to judge, every non believer, if they admit the truth, knows they are sinners. So why judge someone for sin, when they do not have the capacity or power to change?

We need to bring them to Christ first. then let God deal with the sin, which he will.
 
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Elizabeth619 said:
I'll admit it! How many times have I argued over the rapture, gifts, homosexuality, abortion, politics, gun control, etc as if I am right and those who disagree are wrong? TONS
I didn't realize how self righteous I was until I actually read a couple threads here that actually was hurtful. I guess I kinda got what I asked for in a way, but it was enough to wake me up and see my own error.
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thats the first step in healing. to admit we all have mistakes. Amen sister! I can be that way also wihtout even realising, I think we all can!
 
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I cannot see myself as righteous in any way, especially self righteous. if we are to be righteous in any way it would be in God's eyes not our own. People will most likely not say they are righteous, but it's what they believe in their hearts that decides what they really think. I fear any kind of pride, so If I am self righteous in any way I repent and need to fix it right away. I am certainly not perfect, odds are I am self righteous in some kind of way without even knowing it. This is a matter that needs to be fixed as it can sneak up on you without you even knowing it
 
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Elizabeth619 said:
One common example is "You don't believe how I do so you are not a true Christian" or "your church is of the devil"
I see that ALOT on here.
It is one thing to correct someone if they are misinformed on scripture, but not even the most biblicaly educated person on the planet has all the answers.
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I do agree with this. We cannot see the hearts of men. So, yes, to tell someone that they are not Christian because you disagree on something is wrong. There is an exception to this: there are some "Christians" that believe Jesus isn't the only way to salvation and a right relationship with God. I think, in that case, you can say you don't believe they are saved because if they don't believe that, how can the be? :)

It is a common epidemic in America to consider one's church better than others. I have yet to see a "you're not a Christian' post", but I don't go into a lot of threads, so I guess I've just been lucky. :)
 
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I've caught myself being self righteous at times. I don't like to be like that. I was speaking with a younger 20 something Nephew this weekend and when he mentioned something about college and not knowing what he wanted to do I said, "If I had to do it over again, I'd look at see what pays well and what is needed, as far as a career goes." I don't think I was lecturing him, just mentioning how I'd deal with the school situation now.
 
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Elizabeth619 said:
Eh, we all screw up at times. Ya live ya learn.
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Conversion is a process. We are to grow and overcome...

2Pe 3:18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.

Rom 3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

We should be judging ourselves daily to find our faults and overcome them...

1Co 11:28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.
1Co 11:29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.
1Co 11:30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.
1Co 11:31 For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.
1Co 11:32 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.
 
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So, are you self-righteous?
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considering we all have the flesh/. we all are.

Of course. i do not need the law to show me this. I just know it. If I used just the law. I probably would consider myself righteous. and boast about it like many do
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
considering we all have the flesh/. we all are.

Of course. i do not need the law to show me this. I just know it. If I used just the law. I probably would consider myself righteous. and boast about it like many do
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Oh, you just know it. People use to just know that the earth was flat and that disease was caused by bad humors in the air. Hmmm, I know that I am at times but because of this...

Jas 1:22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
Jas 1:23 For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:
Jas 1:24 For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.
Jas 1:25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.

I am not nearly as righteous as you, I have to have a metric to tell me what is right and wrong. I am not able to just know what sin is...

Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
 
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john832 said:
Oh, you just know it. People use to just know that the earth was flat and that disease was caused by bad humors in the air. Hmmm, I know that I am at times but because of this...

Jas 1:22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
Jas 1:23 For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:
Jas 1:24 For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.
Jas 1:25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.

I am not nearly as righteous as you, I have to have a metric to tell me what is right and wrong. I am not able to just know what sin is...

Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
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Yep. Lets ignore romans 1 altogether. Ignore the fact that God wrote his law in our hearts. Ignore the fact that even gentiles. who do not have th elaw. Do what is right, because of this fact.

You need the law. So you can excuse your sin. Not so you can know what sin is.

I know what sin is. Anything which is self focused. And not others focused. It is called the law of love.

Maybe you do not know how to love? and you need the law to show you? Oh wait, The law can't do this!
 
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eternally-gratefull said:

Yep. Lets ignore romans 1 altogether. Ignore the fact that God wrote his law in our hearts. Ignore the fact that even gentiles. who do not have th elaw. Do what is right, because of this fact.

You need the law. So you can excuse your sin. Not so you can know what sin is.

I know what sin is. Anything which is self focused. And not others focused. It is called the law of love.

Maybe you do not know how to love? and you need the law to show you? Oh wait, The law can't do this!
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What Law? You have been trying to convince me the Law is no longer in force. I believe, on the other hand, that God writes His Law on our hearts and minds.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:

Yep. Lets ignore romans 1 altogether. Ignore the fact that God wrote his law in our hearts. Ignore the fact that even gentiles. who do not have th elaw. Do what is right, because of this fact.

You need the law. So you can excuse your sin. Not so you can know what sin is.

I know what sin is. Anything which is self focused. And not others focused. It is called the law of love.

Maybe you do not know how to love? and you need the law to show you? Oh wait, The law can't do this!
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The Law can't tell me how to do this?

Rom 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
Rom 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Rom 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

1Jn 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
 
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What Law? You have been trying to convince me the Law is no longer in force. I believe, on the other hand, that God writes His Law on our hearts and minds.
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the same law that Adam knew, that Noah knew and Abraham knew.

did they focus on law? or did they focus on doing the things God wanted them to do?

Your focusing on a list of rules. they focused on the things of God. and in doing so. although they were not perfect. They did not go around breaking the things which are sin.

the law is in force. You do not believe this though. You still think yo umust obey it good enough or you will lose your salvation. Proving you do not understand or believe what the law says, Because the law says only PERFECT obedience would make you acceptable to god.

Your own teaching denies this.
 
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