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At one time, the churches did take care of the poor, not just by handouts, but helping them find jobs also. The government decided it could do better by just hand outs, no job hunting required. If the girl has a baby, a bigger monthly check. If she gets married, she loses the check. More profitable living in fornication.
Socialism is evil. Helping those that can't work is good. But helping those that WONT work and refuse to quit jumping from bed to bed and take responsibility for their fornicating fun time and marry and take care of their own off spring, is evil and contrary to scripture. 2Thess. 3:10
A lot of hard working Americans who ARE RESPONSIBLE are forced to work two jobs, their wives working, because of a bloated government that loves to spend other people's money, while grown men sit at home playing video games and watching porn in their underwear because they get a government check because they are bypolar. Life is to tough for them. Hog wash! More times than I care to calculate I had to punch the time clock depressed or stressed or just plain exhausted after 12 hour days for three weeks straight before a weekend off. Cold and wet, tired? You bet, but quitting my job was not an option. I didn't have that luxury. You bite the bullet, pray to God and keep toughing it out.
Besides, if people like me didn't work those long hot hours in sweat shops, coughing up a third of our checks in taxes, whose going to support all those people sleeping till noon, wore out from playing games all night?
We made a movie about the homeless. But our concern is for those who are TRULY disabled, unable to take care of themselves, one way or the other!
And I do agree about the 'churches', so called. Buying a new carpet and sound system while the truly needy in the church and outside of the chuch go without. As long as we pad the bank account of Pastor Awesome! Where's a bucket when you need one?
Socialism is evil. Helping those that can't work is good. But helping those that WONT work and refuse to quit jumping from bed to bed and take responsibility for their fornicating fun time and marry and take care of their own off spring, is evil and contrary to scripture. 2Thess. 3:10
A lot of hard working Americans who ARE RESPONSIBLE are forced to work two jobs, their wives working, because of a bloated government that loves to spend other people's money, while grown men sit at home playing video games and watching porn in their underwear because they get a government check because they are bypolar. Life is to tough for them. Hog wash! More times than I care to calculate I had to punch the time clock depressed or stressed or just plain exhausted after 12 hour days for three weeks straight before a weekend off. Cold and wet, tired? You bet, but quitting my job was not an option. I didn't have that luxury. You bite the bullet, pray to God and keep toughing it out.
Besides, if people like me didn't work those long hot hours in sweat shops, coughing up a third of our checks in taxes, whose going to support all those people sleeping till noon, wore out from playing games all night?
We made a movie about the homeless. But our concern is for those who are TRULY disabled, unable to take care of themselves, one way or the other!
And I do agree about the 'churches', so called. Buying a new carpet and sound system while the truly needy in the church and outside of the chuch go without. As long as we pad the bank account of Pastor Awesome! Where's a bucket when you need one?
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LUKE 14:10.
But when thou art bidden, go and sit down in the lowest room; that when He that bade thee cometh,
He may say unto thee, Friend, go up higher: then shalt thou have worship in the presence of them
that sit at meat with thee.
we have been taught that sometimes we will be sent into the wilderness in order for us to see ourselves clearer
and to learn how to put-off the un-desirable things of our old-man'...how lovingly our Heavenly Father takes
such precious care of His elect...
humbling our old-worldly-wills and over-coming is our greatest challenge, and our Father will get His way
by any means to accomplish a 'broken and contrite spirit within us.
we have learned to cherish each day and to count all of the blessings inside of it and not to fret or worry
about the morrow, 'for sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.'
LUKE 14:10.
But when thou art bidden, go and sit down in the lowest room; that when He that bade thee cometh,
He may say unto thee, Friend, go up higher: then shalt thou have worship in the presence of them
that sit at meat with thee.
we have been taught that sometimes we will be sent into the wilderness in order for us to see ourselves clearer
and to learn how to put-off the un-desirable things of our old-man'...how lovingly our Heavenly Father takes
such precious care of His elect...
humbling our old-worldly-wills and over-coming is our greatest challenge, and our Father will get His way
by any means to accomplish a 'broken and contrite spirit within us.
we have learned to cherish each day and to count all of the blessings inside of it and not to fret or worry
about the morrow, 'for sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.'
P
Good job, Chaz!!!
I'll bet that one act of kindness means more to Jesus than any amount of chit-chat or the altercations we see so often on ANY christian web site, (concerned about being "right" but lacking love, that's just pride)
Thank you, that's what a true disciple does, puts his money where his mouth is. (that's an american phrase contrasting people who TALK about doing good vs those who DO it.
Well done. We can all take a lesson from your good example.
I'll bet that one act of kindness means more to Jesus than any amount of chit-chat or the altercations we see so often on ANY christian web site, (concerned about being "right" but lacking love, that's just pride)
Thank you, that's what a true disciple does, puts his money where his mouth is. (that's an american phrase contrasting people who TALK about doing good vs those who DO it.
Well done. We can all take a lesson from your good example.
Would you say that disregarding the word that can set the captive free because that 'word of God' may come in conflict with prevailing man made dogma, is 'love'? Jesus didn't think so.
This deal about 'gong along in order to get along' is why the church has been screwed up for about 1800 years now.
If I told you that my great grand daughter just got hit by a truck because I refused to get her mad at me by telling her to stay out of the street.....what would you think of me? I'll answer it. You'd call me an inhuman monster.
I feel you directed your comment toward me. If not, then I apologize.
C
Yes that's evil, but here we have a combination. In the eighties you could do that here, get paid for doing nothing, but now they force everyone to work. There's a few of those still, but not the majority. There was one guy on a forum. He lived in America and wanted to kill himself, because he lost his job and was afraid he would become homeless. That's just nuts!! I said he could live here and we'd pay the plane ticket. Then I added him on Facebook, it was a young guy with a lot of friends and parents. Insane, just take him in your house and help him. Think they did, he's happy now and still alive.
M
Biker I'm confused, is Joyce in America or England.
Just wondered as I am sure social service and her local could would
step in if this is in England and if she wants the help, especially given her
age.
At minimum they would find a bed and breakfast for her or a women's
refuse until a permanent solution can be found.
Does she actually want any help, that was my other thought, as some
people get so set in their way that they do not alway want help?
Just wondered as I am sure social service and her local could would
step in if this is in England and if she wants the help, especially given her
age.
At minimum they would find a bed and breakfast for her or a women's
refuse until a permanent solution can be found.
Does she actually want any help, that was my other thought, as some
people get so set in their way that they do not alway want help?
D
Just so you know, I'm disabled and I can take care of myself. I can even take care of hubby some, and things needed around the house.
I just can't take care of myself, hubby, the entire house, and a job in any given week. Something had to give. I went with "the entire house and job." And I would even work, if I could just find the boss who would let me work when I can, (and I'm not opposed to nights and weekends, if that's when I can), give me the right chair that won't kill my back even more, and don't have me do the physical labor I used to do, (which included bringing the books from and to the desk every day, and getting the 5 pound to 40 pound boxes ready for UPS, but even that little physical labor level is out 50% of the time anymore), but they tend to frown when I had to leave after a mere 90 minutes of work, because I needed to lie down to rest my back so my front would stop feeling like someone squeezed it into a steel tourniquet. (And, strangely enough a cot or recliner was too much to ask too. Go figure.)
Bosses! They're so picky about having workers who can work on their schedule.
(I remember the look on the woman's face when I tried as hard as I could, hoping I really could by sheer stubborn will -- and it isn't that I lack a strong stubborn will, as you might have noticed by now -- and yet, I had to leave after 90 minutes. Shortest job I ever had.)
I just can't take care of myself, hubby, the entire house, and a job in any given week. Something had to give. I went with "the entire house and job." And I would even work, if I could just find the boss who would let me work when I can, (and I'm not opposed to nights and weekends, if that's when I can), give me the right chair that won't kill my back even more, and don't have me do the physical labor I used to do, (which included bringing the books from and to the desk every day, and getting the 5 pound to 40 pound boxes ready for UPS, but even that little physical labor level is out 50% of the time anymore), but they tend to frown when I had to leave after a mere 90 minutes of work, because I needed to lie down to rest my back so my front would stop feeling like someone squeezed it into a steel tourniquet. (And, strangely enough a cot or recliner was too much to ask too. Go figure.)
Bosses! They're so picky about having workers who can work on their schedule.
(I remember the look on the woman's face when I tried as hard as I could, hoping I really could by sheer stubborn will -- and it isn't that I lack a strong stubborn will, as you might have noticed by now -- and yet, I had to leave after 90 minutes. Shortest job I ever had.)
Sometimes I think about the early church and how far we have drifted from it.
Act 2:44 (KJV) And all that believed were together, and had all things common; 45 And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need. 46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart, 47 Praising God, and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.
I think about this brief paragraph, especially verse 47, when I see someone in need.
Maybe we should look at Jesus's take on the subject.
Mat 25:42 (KJV) For I was an hungry, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: 43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. 44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee hungry, or thirsty, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? 45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
How many times have we neglected to do it for Jesus?
The only excuse that we can give is "I thought that that person was just panhandling."
Act 2:44 (KJV) And all that believed were together, and had all things common; 45 And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need. 46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart, 47 Praising God, and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.
I think about this brief paragraph, especially verse 47, when I see someone in need.
Maybe we should look at Jesus's take on the subject.
Mat 25:42 (KJV) For I was an hungry, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: 43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. 44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee hungry, or thirsty, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? 45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
How many times have we neglected to do it for Jesus?
The only excuse that we can give is "I thought that that person was just panhandling."
D
I've been tempted to bring home some homeless people. One woman we got to know well enough to go out of our way to say hi to, (The problem with living in the 21st century is no more need to carry cash, so sometimes all we could offer was a "friendly hi, ow ya doin'?") told some of her story.
(I haven't seen her a while. I hope that's just because I haven't been to those places we saw her, instead of something bad happened.) She is fiesty. She never asks for money. She will NOT beg, but she sits on her fairly-clean blanket perfectly layered in clothes, so she can take off or put on outerwear enough to fit whatever the weather is doing. And she sits on the sidewalk in front of a local diner or in front of one of those store-front post offices we have in lieu of trekking to the big branch in the middle of nothing in particular -- unless you count that highway bridge right next to it, as something in particular. And, because she doesn't beg -- never asks anyone for anything -- no one chases her off. Why would they? You can't call someone a beggar, if they never beg. (That's what I like about her. She totally gets how to work this.)
She's not homeless. She was on Disability -- minimal amount -- so lived with her sister. I know others on SSDI who got stuck on minimal, so I knew that meant she was given roughly $650 a month (about ten years ago. That's how long it's been since we've seen her.) The problem was she really didn't like her sister.
I'm one-of-six, so I know what it's like not to like a sibling. So the questions come in my mind. Is it like my brother and me? That makes it your typical sibling not-like, more than she's being treated badly. Is it her sister's fault? Maybe the sister is a horrible person. Or, is it her fault? Or could she cause disastrous havoc when she lives with someone? Maybe she's a thief. Maybe she has tirades and destroys everything in her reach.
We knew her well enough to go grocery shopping with her, but that's not "knew her well" at all. I could go grocery shopping with the one brother tat I don't like every week for the rest of our lives, but that doesn't mean we could get along 24/7.
The problem with inviting someone into our homes is obvious. We have no idea who that person is. And once we do invite a person into our homes, they will know where we live forever.
I know "invite them home" is an easy thing to think, but actually doing it is beyond what I'm willing to do. So, I see why most won't, and don't think that's a bad thing either. I've never really met anyone who did invite someone they don't know to their home to live.
(I haven't seen her a while. I hope that's just because I haven't been to those places we saw her, instead of something bad happened.) She is fiesty. She never asks for money. She will NOT beg, but she sits on her fairly-clean blanket perfectly layered in clothes, so she can take off or put on outerwear enough to fit whatever the weather is doing. And she sits on the sidewalk in front of a local diner or in front of one of those store-front post offices we have in lieu of trekking to the big branch in the middle of nothing in particular -- unless you count that highway bridge right next to it, as something in particular. And, because she doesn't beg -- never asks anyone for anything -- no one chases her off. Why would they? You can't call someone a beggar, if they never beg. (That's what I like about her. She totally gets how to work this.)
She's not homeless. She was on Disability -- minimal amount -- so lived with her sister. I know others on SSDI who got stuck on minimal, so I knew that meant she was given roughly $650 a month (about ten years ago. That's how long it's been since we've seen her.) The problem was she really didn't like her sister.
I'm one-of-six, so I know what it's like not to like a sibling. So the questions come in my mind. Is it like my brother and me? That makes it your typical sibling not-like, more than she's being treated badly. Is it her sister's fault? Maybe the sister is a horrible person. Or, is it her fault? Or could she cause disastrous havoc when she lives with someone? Maybe she's a thief. Maybe she has tirades and destroys everything in her reach.
We knew her well enough to go grocery shopping with her, but that's not "knew her well" at all. I could go grocery shopping with the one brother tat I don't like every week for the rest of our lives, but that doesn't mean we could get along 24/7.
The problem with inviting someone into our homes is obvious. We have no idea who that person is. And once we do invite a person into our homes, they will know where we live forever.
I know "invite them home" is an easy thing to think, but actually doing it is beyond what I'm willing to do. So, I see why most won't, and don't think that's a bad thing either. I've never really met anyone who did invite someone they don't know to their home to live.
Sometimes that's not the answer.
I live in a county in Florida with a very large homeless population.
We have more food kitchens and free food outlets then anywhere I've seen in my life.
If people want to reach out for help, there is help for them.
God put us here to help them and we do.
But too many of them don't want our help because we are Christian and we attempt to help them clean up their lives.
The truth is we are not here just to feed them, but to help them.
A woman like this would get help if she wanted it from a lot of sources.
Then again, I know of 2 counties in Florida that have made it illegal to be homeless, the police escort you to the county line.
The rich don't want to look at them.
So all I'm really saying is that there is good and bad.
Not all is bad.
People do care, quite a bit sometimes.
One of the men at the men's prayer group at my church once said, "if we help them and they turn on us and rob us and then go back to the streets and drugs, that won't stop us from reaching out to the next person that comes along. We've chosen to be a hospital for the sick. We can't stop because we don't heal everyone.
I live in a county in Florida with a very large homeless population.
We have more food kitchens and free food outlets then anywhere I've seen in my life.
If people want to reach out for help, there is help for them.
God put us here to help them and we do.
But too many of them don't want our help because we are Christian and we attempt to help them clean up their lives.
The truth is we are not here just to feed them, but to help them.
A woman like this would get help if she wanted it from a lot of sources.
Then again, I know of 2 counties in Florida that have made it illegal to be homeless, the police escort you to the county line.
The rich don't want to look at them.
So all I'm really saying is that there is good and bad.
Not all is bad.
People do care, quite a bit sometimes.
One of the men at the men's prayer group at my church once said, "if we help them and they turn on us and rob us and then go back to the streets and drugs, that won't stop us from reaching out to the next person that comes along. We've chosen to be a hospital for the sick. We can't stop because we don't heal everyone.
I seems obvious that the Lord's churches in various ways, shapes and forms are apostating from the truth...most are filled with Sister Bertha Better Than Thous and sit impatiently for their prefabricated 20 minute sermon that follows a wonderful, hand clapping sing fest that makes us all gooey and emotional inside.......then off to lunch and our regularly scheduled Sunday afternoon programming....................